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TennisMenace 03-17-2013 02:38 PM

This year: Advantage for Habs to win it all
 
We are a smaller team with many key components 5'10" or less. (Pleks, Gionta, DD, Gallagher). More importantly, 9 of our 13 forwards are under 200 pounds (only Max, Lars, Moen, and Borque are more). Even our defense is unusually smallish compared to the league.

I believe the longer the season, the more injuries these smaller bodies get, which ultimately hurts our chances. And if not injured, certainly worn down. You have to admit, an 82 game season is not really to our advantage, but more to the advantage of the bigger teams in the league. The constant wear and tear on a smaller body has to take a greater toll over more time and games.

Thus, take advantage of the 48 game season and win baby, win!

dynastyREredux 03-17-2013 02:42 PM

The fact that the schedule is more condensed offsets a lot of that. How much of it is hard to say,.

hardcorehabs 03-17-2013 02:53 PM

It's funny because its not our small players who are injured right now.

habfaninvictoria 03-17-2013 02:54 PM

I don't think all the pieces are in place yet to go all the way. The shorter schedule helps but the benefits will quickly erode in the playoffs.

I'm not overly concerned about our small forwards durability over the long haul. All of them have proven to be consistent and not injury prone. They cycle well and are quick to pucks.

My concern lies with the lack of size on D. We've been very effective moving the puck out of our zone so far, but over a long series I could see our guys getting worn down by aggressive checking and the later hits that they allow in the playoffs. Subban and Markov eat big minutes, but I don't think Markov can keep it up over long series without risking injury. It's nice to give rookies a look but the deeper we go in the playoffs we'll find ourselves needing a a guy to step up and give us 18-20 hard minutes... I don't think that guy is in our system yet, and if we don't get him, that will be our downfall.

Alexdaman 03-17-2013 03:05 PM

By the end of the season, if Galchenyuk is able to put in 15mins + and be able to fully exploit his potential, we have very serious chances of winning the cup.

There is not a team except Chicago who has three lines as dangerous as ours if Galchenyuk and Eller become what we all wish they can accomplish.

Our D squad is simply amazing, I don't think there's a team out there who has the level of competence and skill we currently hold.

Only the future will tell but if we keep on getting better and better we might just be celebrating our 25th cup in a few months.


I don't think our lack of size is an issue because as long as other teams will base their gameplan solely on toughness we will be able to edge out wins.

TennisMenace 03-17-2013 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexdaman (Post 61845283)
By the end of the season, if Galchenyuk is able to put in 15mins + and be able to fully exploit his potential, we have very serious chances of winning the cup.

There is not a team except Chicago who has three lines as dangerous as ours if Galchenyuk and Eller become what we all wish they can accomplish.

Our D squad is simply amazing, I don't think there's a team out there who has the level of competence and skill we currently hold.

Only the future will tell but if we keep on getting better and better we might just be celebrating our 25th cup in a few months.


I don't think our lack of size is an issue because as long as other teams will base their gameplan solely on toughness we will be able to edge out wins.

Bruins, Pens, and Blackhawks stand in our way

onemorecup* 03-17-2013 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantasybaseballchamp (Post 61844233)
The fact that the schedule is more condensed offsets a lot of that. How much of it is hard to say,.

this year is a total crap shoot , it would not be a surprise if we see a Kings type 8th seed do some damage this year

enjoy the ride

Cyclones Rock 03-17-2013 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onemorecup (Post 61846171)
this year is a total crap shoot , it would not be a surprise if we see a Kings type 8th seed do some damage this year

enjoy the ride

I agree with you for something for once:laugh:

The normal NHL season is over 100 games for the SC Champions. This season's max games would be 48+28=76 games which is less than a regular season. It's an oddity for which there is but one precedent (1994-95).

Teams which get "hot" despite some deficiencies may be able to overcome their shortcomings which might not be the case over a traditional season. Or not:D

McNuts 03-17-2013 03:50 PM

Smaller bodies don't get tired faster.

/thread.

Analyzer 03-17-2013 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McNuts (Post 61847217)
Smaller bodies don't get tired faster.

/thread.

They get hurt easier when a 6'4, 220 lbs person smashes into them.

Lshap 03-17-2013 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habfaninvictoria (Post 61844759)
I don't think all the pieces are in place yet to go all the way. The shorter schedule helps but the benefits will quickly erode in the playoffs.

I'm not overly concerned about our small forwards durability over the long haul. All of them have proven to be consistent and not injury prone. They cycle well and are quick to pucks.

My concern lies with the lack of size on D. We've been very effective moving the puck out of our zone so far, but over a long series I could see our guys getting worn down by aggressive checking and the later hits that they allow in the playoffs. Subban and Markov eat big minutes, but I don't think Markov can keep it up over long series without risking injury. It's nice to give rookies a look but the deeper we go in the playoffs we'll find ourselves needing a a guy to step up and give us 18-20 hard minutes... I don't think that guy is in our system yet, and if we don't get him, that will be our downfall.

Agree completely. So much depends on our D, and as talented as they are, they'll be the first to go down in a long, tiring playoff run. A lot depends on Diaz coming back and staying healthy, and then there are the X-Factors like Tinordi and/or a trade in the next two weeks.


Quote:

Originally Posted by onemorecup (Post 61846171)
this year is a total crap shoot , it would not be a surprise if we see a Kings type 8th seed do some damage this year

enjoy the ride

100% right. Every year sees an underdog jump up and a sure-thing disappear, but this season feels like the card deck has been reshuffled and the league rebooted. The underdog Habs and Ducks are already at the top, meanwhile old favourites like the Caps, Flyers and even the Canucks seem to be going nowhere. Who's a reasonable underdog right now - St Louis? Detroit? Winnipeg?

We could take any team in the EC, depending on our health.

ti-vite 03-17-2013 04:00 PM

We would need some help, and like all cup contenders, click at the right time. A 'soft' first round team for the habs and say have the bruins match up against Philly or Rags that can explode any time would be good. Keep wear and tear to a minimum.

Regardless, I love watching goldy locks Therrien coach this team, love the energy and style, love the Subban, the Price is Right, depths, go habs go!

Dekar 03-17-2013 04:13 PM

Stop exaggerating. Plekanec is 5'11!

:sarcasm: (he is though)

McNuts 03-17-2013 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 61847351)
They get hurt easier when a 6'4, 220 lbs person smashes into them.

Except small players are injured less often than big players.

Most players injured right now in the NHL are over 200 pounds.

Hence, this thread's premise is wrong and the entire conversation is pointless.

Sorinth 03-17-2013 04:41 PM

I don't think there's any correlation between player size and the number of injuries they suffer. When talking injuries most people reference schedule and days off.

Looking at the schedule there are 5 times (Including Today/Tomorrow) where we have 2 days between games left. Compare that to the Bruins who have only have one 2-day break left. Haven't checked other teams, but being rested going into the playoffs could be huge.

TennisMenace 03-17-2013 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardcorehabs (Post 61844717)
It's funny because its not our small players who are injured right now.

Prust- 195
Ryder- 198
Diaz- 193?
Borque-215

LyleOdelein 03-17-2013 05:11 PM

I loved the guy as a player, but there's a certain level of irony in the OP of this thread having a Turner Stevenson avatar.

TennisMenace 03-17-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dekar (Post 61848185)
Stop exaggerating. Plekanec is 5'11!

:sarcasm: (he is though)

Hockeydb lists him as 5'10. I think he is more like 5'9"

Am I allowed to link good trusting sites?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=56385

TennisMenace 03-17-2013 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LyleOdelein (Post 61851577)
I loved the guy as a player, but there's a certain level of irony in the OP of this thread having a Turner Stevenson avatar.

A bit confused because I don't exactly see the connection. Turner is one of my all-time fave Habs and yes, I do like the physical players who excite me with big hits......but what does this have to do with this thread? :help:

rockjngo 03-17-2013 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TennisMenace (Post 61852979)
Hockeydb lists him as 5'10. I think he is more like 5'9"

Am I allowed to link good trusting sites?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=56385

I didn't believe it when they listed him 5'11", honestly he looks smaller than Crosby and Crosby is 5'11". I think Plek is between 5"9.5 and 5"10". I can assure you that Plek is taller than Gionta when they stood next to each other.

Dekar 03-17-2013 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TennisMenace (Post 61852979)
Hockeydb lists him as 5'10. I think he is more like 5'9"

Am I allowed to link good trusting sites?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=56385

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockjngo (Post 61853305)
I didn't believe it when they listed him 5'11", honestly he looks smaller than Crosby and Crosby is 5'11". I think Plek is between 5"9.5 and 5"10". I can assure you that Plek is taller than Gionta when they stood next to each other.

I've always known his height listed as 5'11, but I agree that he really doesn't look it. I'm curious now, lets dig up pictures of players standing together.

EDIT: found pic 1, pic 2, pic 3, pic 4, pic 5, pic 6, pic 7, pic 8, pic 9

Yeah, I'd say 5'10 is fair.

onemorecup* 03-17-2013 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclones Rock (Post 61847161)
I agree with you for something for once:laugh:

The normal NHL season is over 100 games for the SC Champions. This season's max games would be 48+28=76 games which is less than a regular season. It's an oddity for which there is but one precedent (1994-95).

Teams which get "hot" despite some deficiencies may be able to overcome their shortcomings which might not be the case over a traditional season. Or not:D

holy smokes u made my day , u agree

typically at the 50 game mark in an 82 game schedule , we start to see separation
where the lucky teams start to drop off a bit , overachievers get back to normal
and the injured start getting healthy and teams start to improve

this year there is no time for slumps , Buffalo may in a regular season may make late run but now they are done at the 28 game mark , too many 3 point games to make up any difference

JSBach 03-17-2013 06:14 PM

If we do win the Cup, I won't be looking forward to the "Shortened season; doesn't count" or "Worst championship team of all time" threads.

JohnLennon 03-17-2013 06:19 PM

I don't agree that being smaller necessarily means you are more likely to get injured. But I do agree that the shorter schedule is going to benefit the Habs, mainly because our team has so many rookies and inexperienced NHLers that a longer campaign would've maybe taken a larger toll on them.

With all the young players in the lineup, I think they will more easily be able to sustain a high pace of NHL hockey while facing tougher opponents because the won't have to do it for a period of time as long as a usual NHL season.

Dekar 03-17-2013 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSBach (Post 61854829)
If we do win the Cup, I won't be looking forward to the "Shortened season; doesn't count" or "Worst championship team of all time" threads.

Or my city getting burned to the ground by rioters.


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