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Oilbleeder 03-19-2013 12:36 PM

Rumor and Proposal Thread Vol. 8: The North Remembers
 
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Originally Posted by jadeddog (Post 61952039)
0.71 PPG while playing through an injury, bad puck luck (ie. low on ice shooting%) and playing on a line with *another* player playing through an injury isn't exactly bad... eberle is still having a pretty decent season, pro-rated to 59 points over a full 82 game season

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Originally Posted by Hemsky_83 (Post 61952257)
Typical ignorant NHL fan comment.

Ask Canes fans about who their most complete forward is. They will say Semin. Many put his defensive game and impact at a near Jordan Staal level.

He's the defensive conscious on that line with Staal and Tlusty, and had been an NHL best at plus/minus over the last 3-5 seasons. You're just talking out of your ****** because you look at his nationality and not how he plays.

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Originally Posted by Scoobs (Post 61953431)
Any trade proposals that include Eberle, RNH, or Yakupov are posted by people who are "success now at all costs" types, I would imagine.

That being said, I honestly don't expect Edmonton to make any considerable moves at the deadline. Tambellini cannot settle for picks and prospects, and I don't see any contenders giving up pieces of their teams to Edmonton for a Smid, Whitney, Hemsky or Khabibulin. I can see the team making moves in the offseason though, since that's when teams are more apt to dealing roster players.

My bet is this... Khabibulin is dealt to Boston as they don't want to go into the playoffs with Khudobin as their back-up to Rask. Khabi could bring in a pick (2nd or lower), which I don't mind because it's not like he'd be playing a ton of games with us anyways. I could also see Khabby ending up in Winnipeg to give them some insurance in net since they're in the playoff hunt in the east as well.

If the Oilers get any indecisiveness from Smid about his chances of re-signing, my bet is that they deal him too, so they don't risk losing him for nothing.

If Edmonton can find a taker for Belanger, he's probably gone too.

Whitney and Hemsky are probably gone in the offseason. Depending upon how agressive Tambellini is, I wouldn't be surprised to see us a few draft picks lighter as well. (2013 and 2014)

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Originally Posted by Koto (Post 61953435)
That wheeler proposal is pretty ridiculous, but i think most people offering to trade Eberle do it because he has the most value of our RW overload, and we want a major upgrade to our backend, not the scraps we'd get for Hemsky.

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Originally Posted by ponokanocker (Post 61953497)
Since we're dealing Eberle(:sarcasm:), why not to Buffalo:

Eberle for Ehroff
Eberle for Hodgeson and Stafford
Eberle for Vanek(at least he can score, right?)
Eberle for Miller(since he is so much better than Dubnyk;))


c4fn8d 03-19-2013 12:37 PM

TIL: Eberle with broken finger = Blake freakin Wheeler + youth.

YIKES :help:

SterlingArcher 03-19-2013 01:04 PM

I wonder what edmonton wants back for guys like Whitney, Smid and others. Most teams who are competing want to give up just prospects or Ickes not actual contributors. It seems we have passed the point of first round picks and prospects.

misfit 03-19-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobs (Post 61953431)
Any trade proposals that include Eberle, RNH, or Yakupov are posted by people who are "success now at all costs" types, I would imagine.

I'd say probably more the "fantasy hockey/NHL13" types myself. But I suppose that makes up most of the people who post trade proposals on message boards.

Koto 03-19-2013 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SterlingArcher (Post 61955063)
I wonder what edmonton wants back for guys like Whitney, Smid and others. Most teams who are competing want to give up just prospects or Ickes not actual contributors. It seems we have passed the point of first round picks and prospects.

futures for whitney would be fine, were not re signing him, would certainly hurt for Smid though.

CornKicker 03-19-2013 01:15 PM

if the ryan whitney we have as of the last 6-8 games is back then i want a 1st round pick and a good prospect back or i want to sign him to a 1-2 yr deal. a healthy whitney is very valuable

Conkanen* 03-19-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SterlingArcher (Post 61955063)
I wonder what edmonton wants back for guys like Whitney, Smid and others. Most teams who are competing want to give up just prospects or Ickes not actual contributors. It seems we have passed the point of first round picks and prospects.

Man I would hate to lose Smid now. He is the most known quantity we have and I think he loves it in Edmonton and would take a discount to sign here. A three year deal would be perfect and would buy us time to see what we have in Marincin, Klefbom, Musil, etc.

Bobblehead 03-19-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CornKicker (Post 61955557)
if the ryan whitney we have as of the last 6-8 games is back then i want a 1st round pick and a good prospect back or i want to sign him to a 1-2 yr deal. a healthy whitney is very valuable

I don't think anyone is giving much more than a 3rd rounder for Whitney. I'm still a big fan of his when he's healthy, but I doubt there's much desire to pay more than that. I would be ok with a 1-2 year deal for cheap though.

Khabby might get us a 4th rounder if a bidding war happens - TB? BOS? CAR?

Maybe NJ wants to corner the market on 40 year old goalies?

nabob 03-19-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CornKicker (Post 61955557)
if the ryan whitney we have as of the last 6-8 games is back then i want a 1st round pick and a good prospect back or i want to sign him to a 1-2 yr deal. a healthy whitney is very valuable

I agree. A healthy Whitney is still a top 4 Dman. We need more of those. Not less. A one year deal for him would be ideal IMO. Gives Klefbom a year to get back upti speed and wet his feet in the AHL, and if Whitney stays healthy for another year he will be worth a lot by next TD. And if he can't stay healthy you waive him or just let him go after next year.

Dangerdanger 03-19-2013 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Koto (Post 61955477)
futures for whitney would be fine, were not re signing him, would certainly hurt for Smid though.

See, this I don't understand. Whitney has really picked it up lately, and there's definitely some potential that he'll be able to keep it up.

Why do people think a guy can miss most of two years of hockey and then come back like he hasn't been away at all? There's going to be a lag time before he gets back to where he was (if he does at all). Why would you want to deal him when it finally seems he's getting back to his old form?

Koto 03-19-2013 01:23 PM

Whats the upside to keeping whitney for one more year?


He plays well, then you resign him to a bigger deal? And then he goes on to be injured for half of that contract...



We've seen enough, he can't be relied on, lets move on.

Elim99 03-19-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by c4fn8d (Post 61953619)
TIL: Eberle with broken finger = Blake freakin Wheeler + youth.

YIKES :help:

Eberle has a broker finger? It explains the off year.

CornKicker 03-19-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Koto (Post 61955971)
Whats the upside to keeping whitney for one more year?


He plays well, then you resign him to a bigger deal? And then he goes on to be injured for half of that contract...



We've seen enough, he can't be relied on, lets move on.

an upside is a top 4 dman?

jmoss45 03-19-2013 01:31 PM

Top 6 LW

One of my hopes is that Tambo will try to find someone with size to play the left side with Ebs and Nuge. Andrew Ladd would be the ideal candidate (Lucic wouldn't look bad either) but neither of those is realistic.

What about Bickell? He's not as physical, but he's 6'4, good along the boards and in his own end, averages ~2 hits/game and is putting up decent numbers this year. He's 27 and a UFA this summer.

Thoughts?

Koto 03-19-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CornKicker (Post 61956373)
an upside is a top 4 dman?

please respond to my full comment.

Njoy Oilers 03-19-2013 01:31 PM

I see Hemsky as being the main piece moved out, along with minor ones, like Potter or Peckam AND Omark.

joestevens29 03-19-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Elim99 (Post 61956043)
Eberle has a broker finger? It explains the off year.

It's only been for a couple weeks as far as I know. Not really that concerned though with Eberle.

joestevens29 03-19-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Koto (Post 61956405)
please respond to my full comment.

Don't pay him as a top 4 d-man and it isn't a problem. Have him slotted in on your bottom pairing, so that if does go down it doesn't hurt that much.

Koto 03-19-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 61956595)
Don't pay him as a top 4 d-man and it isn't a problem. Have him slotted in on your bottom pairing, so that if does go down it doesn't hurt that much.

so you want to sign him as a plug, with no long term expecations?


sounds reasonable.



except he has an above average chance (among plugs) of falling completely out of the lineup for health reasons.


why not sign a plug without chronic injury.

OneMoreAstronaut 03-19-2013 01:38 PM

If Whitney was resigned, doubtful it would be to a bigger deal, given how dreadful he's been. That said, if he thinks he can get a bigger deal, he's off his rocker and should be moved for whatever we can get for him.

joestevens29 03-19-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Koto (Post 61956735)
so you want to sign him as a plug, with no long term expecations?


sounds reasonable.



except he has an above average chance (among plugs) of falling completely out of the lineup for health reasons.


why not sign a plug without chronic injury.

That's generally what bottom pairing d-men and 4th liners are is plugs. If they weren't they would be third liners or 2nd pairing guys.

Why not sign a plug without chronic injury, well because you can do both and hope that one plug(whitney) over achieves because if he does you look good.

CornKicker 03-19-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Koto (Post 61956735)
so you want to sign him as a plug, with no long term expecations?


sounds reasonable.



except he has an above average chance (among plugs) of falling completely out of the lineup for health reasons.


why not sign a plug without chronic injury.

because a plugs upside is pluggish, whitneys upside is top 2 dman, its a smart gamble if you are paying plug $ for him

The Perfect Human* 03-19-2013 01:50 PM

Whitney isn't going to re-sign in Edmonton - he's going to head back to the East Coast thanks to being a UFA

Beerfish 03-19-2013 01:55 PM

The oilers should be pressing hard to trade Whitney and Hemsky right now. I'd also easily deep six Nick Schultz. Can't trade Khabby becasue the value is not there and we have no viable tender behind Dubby.

armandh01 03-19-2013 02:01 PM

If this 3 line system we have going continues to have success, we have a problem when it comes to dealing our forward assets. Hemsky is no longer AS expendable without a proper return.

You could try to invent a new 3rd line I suppose if we got rid of Hemsky. Sign Cheechoo for a year to see how he does. Buyout Smyth.


Hall - Horcoff - Eberle
Mag - Gag - Yak
X - RNH - Cheechoo
Petrell - Belanger - Brown

Shelter RNH until he gets his FO% up some and game back.
Trade Hemsky for some D help if Smid leaves. X could be a prospect from our pool if we can't find a decent UFA / RFA. Don't know if you give Jones another shot to recover a bit or not. Maybe for cheap.

I wonder if we could get Horcoff to buyout and resign for cheap to free up capspace that could be useful to sign Gagner with. I am against trading him, I think it would be foolish.


Glad I'm not a GM lol.


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