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HawksTillDeath 03-19-2013 12:07 PM

Bozak to Hawks
 
We can use him as a 2nd/3rd line C
Great faceoff guy with offensive upside
Suspect D, but on a strong defensive team can be protected

What would be a good value for Bozak?

McNeil?

HawkinMI 03-19-2013 12:09 PM

No thanks.

And trust me, McNeil isn't going to be enough.

GordieHoweHatTrick 03-19-2013 12:11 PM

I'd trade him for little if we had someone to replace him

Phion Keneuf 03-19-2013 12:12 PM

We need a top center.

We can't trade Bozak without getting one back

HockeyGuruPitka 03-19-2013 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawksTillDeath (Post 61955173)
We can use him as a 2nd/3rd line C
Great faceoff guy with offensive upside
Suspect D, but on a strong defensive team can be protected

What would be a good value for Bozak?

McNeil?

How about 2013 1st?

416Leafer 03-19-2013 12:30 PM

Bozaks value is probably a ~late 1st. McNeil is intriguing due to his size, but it seems like his stock has dropped since being drafted, not risen, which isn't a good sign.

Pirri is also an interesting prospect. So maybe something like McNeil or Pirri + a conditional pick if Bozak resigns in Chicago (conditional 2nd or 3rd). Or just a 1st round pick with no prospects attached.

QMJHLfollower 03-19-2013 12:33 PM

I'd consider it for Mark McNeill.

Blackhawkswincup 03-19-2013 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkinMI (Post 61955307)
No thanks.

And trust me, McNeil isn't going to be enough.

Curious why wouldn't you want him?

Can win faceoffs , Solid defender , Ok offensive ability

If cost is Pirri + conditional pick (Depending on Hawks abilty to sign him) then i am 100% for acquriing him

For Mcneill ,, Not sure to be honest... Dont want to give up Mcneill for a rental

frankthetank91 03-19-2013 12:49 PM

Can someone describe Pirri for me? Never have seen him play, what type of player/role does he project to be?

416Leafer 03-19-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankthetank91 (Post 61957249)
Can someone describe Pirri for me? Never have seen him play, what type of player/role does he project to be?

Small centre that has a high skill level, a decent shot, and isn't terrible defensively (improving, used to be considered a big weakness). Probably doesn't have the speed you'd hope for from a little guy though.

Sticky 03-19-2013 01:56 PM

Mcneill for a rental bozak sounds great to me

lebdafor norris 03-19-2013 02:01 PM

If Nonis were to trade for another center in a separate deal or if the Leafs just completely collapse like last year then its a definite yes for them, Mcneill is a pretty good haul for an upcoming UFA Bozak.

gabeliscious 03-19-2013 02:01 PM

what about bozak+ a defenseman (holzer/kostka/liles/fraser) for hjarlmasson?

Blackhawkswincup 03-19-2013 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabeliscious (Post 61960643)
what about bozak+ a defenseman (holzer/kostka/liles/fraser) for hjarlmasson?

Hawks are not trading a 2nd pairing dman while they are 24-2-3

noBSleafsFAN 03-19-2013 02:05 PM

I'd do it

tml145 03-19-2013 02:08 PM

Bozak isn't a 1st line center, but he can be a legitimate #2
he isn't very big or stong but also isn't a defensive liability

his best attributes are his face-off ability and speed

if he was available at the deadline i would think he would get a late 1st from a contender

the problem is Toronto doesn't have a replacement for him

Hawkaholic 03-19-2013 02:09 PM

I'd be interested, but not for pospects TT, Danault, McNeil or or 2013 1st.

gabeliscious 03-19-2013 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 61960685)
Hawks are not trading a 2nd pairing dman while they are 24-2-3

but the leafs should trade a top 6 center when they are trying to make the playoffs for the first time in almost a decade?

KanetoToews2883 03-19-2013 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkaholic (Post 61961043)
I'd be interested, but not for pospects TT, Danault, McNeil or or 2013 1st.

To be honest, 2013 is a shallow draft and you're talking a late 1st... I mean they could certainly capitalize on it but if Bozak is what the Hawks think can get them to the cup, a 2013 1st , Pirri and Lalonde (or a prospect like Lalonde) is something that might get it done.

alpine4life 03-19-2013 02:17 PM

Bozak I believe is currently playing on their 1st line (can anyone confirm that?), so for a playoff team trading their no.1 center, another one would have to come back...

so Bozak+ (small+) for Bolland?

Wondercarrot 03-19-2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabeliscious (Post 61961223)
but the leafs should trade a top 6 center when they are trying to make the playoffs for the first time in almost a decade?

thats why they very well may let him go at the end of the year as a UFA, because they see such longterm value as a "top 6 center".
is he even on pace for a 40pt season this year?
whos giving up a first round pick for bozak? ive got some players to move....

MurrayBannerman 03-19-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KanetoToews2883 (Post 61961413)
To be honest, 2013 is a shallow draft and you're talking a late 1st... I mean they could certainly capitalize on it but if Bozak is what the Hawks think can get them to the cup, a 2013 1st , Pirri and Lalonde (or a prospect like Lalonde) is something that might get it done.

First time I've heard 2013 be named a shallow draft.

HockeyGuruPitka 03-19-2013 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MurrayBannerman (Post 61961781)
First time I've heard 2013 be named a shallow draft.

Hypothetically, Bozak's value is right around chicago's drafting position in the first round. However them wanting to move the pick is another story.

If Chicago can re-up him to a 4m deal for multiple years do they do it?

gabeliscious 03-19-2013 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wondercarrot (Post 61961517)
thats why they very well may let him go at the end of the year as a UFA, because they see such longterm value as a "top 6 center".
is he even on pace for a 40pt season this year?
whos giving up a first round pick for bozak? ive got some players to move....

what doest that have to do with the leafs needing him to help them try and make the playoffs?

his contract status or his point totals are irrelevant. we have absolutely nothing to replace him with internally. im also not convinced that he wont be resigned. the leafs are not in a position to overpay him but i dont see why nonis wouldnt try and sign him to a reasonable contract ($3-$3.5 x 3/4 years). he is a good 2b or 3rd line center moving forward.

what does a first round pick have to do with anything? i never suggested his value was a 1st.

Porn* 03-19-2013 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 61956813)
Curious why wouldn't you want him?

Can win faceoffs , Solid defender , Ok offensive ability

If cost is Pirri + conditional pick (Depending on Hawks abilty to sign him) then i am 100% for acquriing him

For Mcneill ,, Not sure to be honest... Dont want to give up Mcneill for a rental

was wondering the same thing... bozak is great just not as a top line C.


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