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SoftDumpInTheCorner 03-20-2013 03:09 PM

Would you keep Thornton, Marleau and Boyle if...
 
All three were to sign extensions in the offseason for a total of $12MM or less? And that all three players were to play in secondary positions. Meaning, Boyle would fall into the second pairing but still have time on the PP. Thornton would fall into the 3C spot and have time on the PP and Marleau could float in between the 2nd and 3rd lines. And also have some time on the PP/PK.

I think Marleau and Thornton can be effective players moving into their mid 30's and put up decent numbers (40-50 pts.). They have been pretty much injury free for most of their careers due to their playing style and I cant imagine that changing any time soon.

They would be nice complementary players to the players stepping up or coming onto the team; guys like Couture, Hertl, and Kuraly.

If Marleau and Thornton really loved SJ and wanted to finish their respective careers here they would be wise to get on board with this idea. If not, they should just waive their NMC over the summer and accept a trade to wherever Dougie can get maximum return. ;)

hockeyball 03-20-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SoftDumpInTheCorner (Post 62044735)
All three were to sign extensions in the offseason for a total of $12MM or less? And that all three players were to play in secondary positions. Meaning, Boyle would fall into the second pairing but still have time on the PP. Thornton would fall into the 3C spot and have time on the PP and Marleau could float in between the 2nd and 3rd lines. And also have some time on the PP/PK.

I think Marleau and Thornton can be effective players moving into their mid 30's and put up decent numbers (40-50 pts.). They have been pretty much injury free for most of their careers due to their playing style and I cant imagine that changing any time soon.

They would be nice complementary players to the players stepping up or coming onto the team; guys like Couture, Hertl, and Kuraly.

If Marleau and Thornton really loved SJ and wanted to finish their respective careers here they would be wise to get on board with this idea. If not, they should just waive their NMC over the summer and accept a trade to wherever Dougie can get maximum return. ;)

Your premise is impossible since there is no way they all sign for $12m, total pipe dream

Barrie22 03-20-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyball (Post 62044881)
Your premise is impossible since there is no way they all sign for $12m, total pipe dream

4 mil, 1 year deals? lol

Barrie22 03-20-2013 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SoftDumpInTheCorner (Post 62044735)
All three were to sign extensions in the offseason for a total of $12MM or less? And that all three players were to play in secondary positions. Meaning, Boyle would fall into the second pairing but still have time on the PP. Thornton would fall into the 3C spot and have time on the PP and Marleau could float in between the 2nd and 3rd lines. And also have some time on the PP/PK.

I think Marleau and Thornton can be effective players moving into their mid 30's and put up decent numbers (40-50 pts.). They have been pretty much injury free for most of their careers due to their playing style and I cant imagine that changing any time soon.

They would be nice complementary players to the players stepping up or coming onto the team; guys like Couture, Hertl, and Kuraly.

If Marleau and Thornton really loved SJ and wanted to finish their respective careers here they would be wise to get on board with this idea. If not, they should just waive their NMC over the summer and accept a trade to wherever Dougie can get maximum return. ;)

so you want the better players on the team to step aside so the weaker players can become the go to guys on the team? smart recipe for success. :laugh::sarcasm:

SoftDumpInTheCorner 03-20-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyball (Post 62044881)
Your premise is impossible since there is no way they all sign for $12m, total pipe dream

You may be right. Some GM may pay Thornton $6M a year as a 35 year old center with declining stats to go with it. :thumbu:

SoftDumpInTheCorner 03-20-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barrie22 (Post 62045221)
so you want the better players on the team to step aside so the weaker players can become the go to guys on the team? smart recipe for success. :laugh::sarcasm:

Who said they were better? Hard to imagine a pair of 35 year olds leading any team to the promise land

SoftDumpInTheCorner 03-20-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barrie22 (Post 62045159)
4 mil, 1 year deals? lol

I imagine aging players want 2-3 year deals.

sjshark91 03-20-2013 03:25 PM

Thornton for 5m

Marleau for 4.5

Boyle for 5m

Is more realistic.

Nolan11 03-20-2013 03:32 PM

I'd do it for 16 Million and would be happy. (DW will likely do it for 17+) 3 year deals for Marleau and Thornton, 1-2 years for Boyle.

Barrie22 03-20-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SoftDumpInTheCorner (Post 62045411)
Who said they were better? Hard to imagine a pair of 35 year olds leading any team to the promise land

sakic and roy

chara (34) and thomas

SoftDumpInTheCorner 03-20-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sjshark91 (Post 62045597)
Thornton for 5m

Marleau for 4.5

Boyle for 5m

Is more realistic.

I was going to say $15MM but I thought that may be too high. Boyle would be 38 going into a new contract and Marleau/Thornton would both be 35 going into the new deal. Tough to pay that kind of dough, especially with the shrinking of the salary cap. The only comparable would be Gonchar and Alfredsson's deals; Gonchar got $5.5M and Alfredsson got $4.8

hockeyball 03-20-2013 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nolan11 (Post 62045951)
I'd do it for 16 Million and would be happy. (DW will likely do it for 17+) 3 year deals for Marleau and Thornton, 1-2 years for Boyle.

That's about minimum I agree, and still unlikely.

In free agency, even at 35, some GM would give Thornton $7M+, bank on it.

Barrie22 03-20-2013 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyball (Post 62046175)
That's about minimum I agree, and still unlikely.

In free agency, even at 35, some GM would give Thornton $7M+, bank on it.

i still say thornton has already set up his next contract, and it is exactly where his current one ends. 6 mil

SoftDumpInTheCorner 03-20-2013 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Barrie22 (Post 62045989)
sakic and roy

chara (34) and thomas

Sakic and Roy? Elite and generational talent, that was surrounded by Forsberg, Foote, Blake, Drury and oh, that other guy Ray Bourque :sarcasm:

The 2011 Bruins were carried by Thomas, no doubt about that. I always said that if Niemi played like Thomas or the way Quick did last year, the Sharks would have already celebrated a cup victory.

19sharks19 03-20-2013 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyball (Post 62046175)
That's about minimum I agree, and still unlikely.

In free agency, even at 35, some GM would give Thornton $7M+, bank on it.

Especially if he remains steady at approx. a point per game.

SoftDumpInTheCorner 03-20-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Barrie22 (Post 62046347)
i still say thornton has already set up his next contract, and it is exactly where his current one ends. 6 mil

That is exactly why I ended my post with if Wilson cant get anything done at a reasonable price by July, he should be asking those two to waive their NMC to move them.

Barrie22 03-20-2013 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SoftDumpInTheCorner (Post 62046777)
That is exactly why I ended my post with if Wilson cant get anything done at a reasonable price by July, he should be asking those two to waive their NMC to move them.

you honestly don't think 6 mil is good price for a 70+ point player? disregard age, because age has not hindered his play at all.

WTFetus 03-20-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Barrie22 (Post 62046347)
i still say thornton has already set up his next contract, and it is exactly where his current one ends. 6 mil

Current one is 8-7-6. Maybe he'll be nice and do 6-5-4. ;)

Barrie22 03-20-2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WTFetus (Post 62046941)
Current one is 8-7-6. Maybe he'll be nice and do 6-5-4. ;)

could, but that 1st year barring some major break down (dropping a good 20-30 points) next season, it will start at 6 mil

Juxtaposer 03-20-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barrie22 (Post 62046911)
you honestly don't think 6 mil is good price for a 70+ point player? disregard age, because age has not hindered his play at all.

Not true.

SoftDumpInTheCorner 03-20-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barrie22 (Post 62046911)
you honestly don't think 6 mil is good price for a 70+ point player? disregard age, because age has not hindered his play at all.

Its good but not great and yes I will look at age because 35+ contracts are scary. And if you're paying him that money, there is no way he is falling into a secondary position and you still have the same team but 2 years older. Rest assure, Thornton will be looking for a 3 year deal.

hockeyball 03-20-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SoftDumpInTheCorner (Post 62047373)
Its good but not great and yes I will look at age because 35+ contracts are scary. And if you're paying him that money, there is no way he is falling into a secondary position and you still have the same team but 2 years older. Rest assure, Thornton will be looking for a 3 year deal.

I don't believe his contract will be a 35+, he turns 35 after the contract starts... unless im crazy.

Barrie22 03-20-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyball (Post 62047625)
I don't believe his contract will be a 35+, he turns 35 after the contract starts... unless im crazy.

i think this is the grey area that the flyers were hoping they walked around with pronger lol.

because july 2nd is his bday, and he will have been signed on july 1st or earlier lol. but the season starts when he is 35.

SoftDumpInTheCorner 03-20-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyball (Post 62047625)
I don't believe his contract will be a 35+, he turns 35 after the contract starts... unless im crazy.

Actually you may be right, he turns 35 next offseason in July.

hohosaregood 03-20-2013 04:05 PM

I'm willing to bet it's gonna be $6 mil for Marleau and Thornton and $5 for Boyle. Don't really know what the terms would be like though.


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