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Sarava 03-23-2013 02:10 PM

Official Bears/NFL Thread #17 - 2013 Offseason/Draft edition
 
Continued from: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1344255

Sarava 03-23-2013 02:13 PM

Hopefully Emery can rebound from what appears to be a subpar first draft. Just like Stan Bowman rebounded from his bad 2010 draft to strike gold in 2011.

Illinihockey 03-23-2013 02:27 PM

Don't know if I'd call it a subpar draft, got 2 probably 3 starters out of it.

MurrayBannerman 03-23-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Illinihockey (Post 62228883)
Don't know if I'd call it a subpar draft, got 2 probably 3 starters out of it.

inb4 generic BWC Shea rant.

RayP 03-23-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MurrayBannerman (Post 62229821)
inb4 generic BWC Shea rant.

I don't even read them anymore... Anyways, I really like the Williams signing. Really opens up things for our first round pick. I still wouldn't be against Ogletree, slot him on the outside for a year and let him learn, then shift him inside, but I'm in love with the guy.

With ILB and TE taken addressed, maybe we can get that vertical threat in Austin. Although I don't think he'll last to 20... Just glad we have a temp solution to ILB, very glad.

Illinihockey 03-23-2013 02:52 PM

Emery is going to trade down if he can

Blackhawkswincup 03-23-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Illinihockey (Post 62228883)
Don't know if I'd call it a subpar draft, got 2 probably 3 starters out of it.

2 or 3 starters?

Jeffrey and ?

- McClellin is a major failure so far and is ? going forward
- Hardin is made of glass and hasn't played a competitive game in 2 years
- Rodriguez is more likely to be in jail then starting for Bears in coming years
- Frey has no starting potential and was on practice squad last year
- McCoy never made Bears and is a Viking

Sarava 03-23-2013 03:20 PM

Yeah I can't say I'm a big fan of much beyond Jeffrey. There's time for that to change, just saying how it looks to me now.

MurrayBannerman 03-23-2013 03:25 PM

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Adam Jahns ‏@adamjahns 2m

#Bears make it official and announce the signing of safety Tom Zbikowski. Buffalo Grove grad (and ND product) was Sun-Times' POY in 2002.
Zibby is my favorite ND player ever, so I'm ecstatic!

Recoil 03-23-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarava (Post 62232375)
Yeah I can't say I'm a big fan of much beyond Jeffrey. There's time for that to change, just saying how it looks to me now.

I can see the potential in both McClellin and Hardin. Can Hardin stay healthy? If he can, that's a pick we may really enjoy. As for Shea, they just want him to get bigger (upper body strength) and work on his technique. It takes rookie linemen a while to adjust to the speed and strength of the NFL. It took JJ Watt a full season before he got it, but he certainly got it once it clicked. Not saying Shea will be the next JJ Watt, but just that it can sometimes take a bit before players become comfortable with his roles. I still think the potential is there with him.

Regardless, it's far too early to evaluate ANY picks from the 2012 draft, so it's rather silly to even try to judge Emery's drafting ability yet. We can start the conversation at the end of the 2013 season, and can probably say for sure on them by the end of the 2014 season. But to discuss it now is pointless.

Recoil 03-23-2013 03:32 PM

@ChicagoBears: LM: #Bears have agreed to terms with safety Tom Zbikowski on a one-year contract. He attended Buffalo Grove HS.

Safety depth behind Wright and Conte (who are prone to getting dinged up from time to time, but solid players) and frankly Hardin who has yet to see the field for Chicago. Seems to also be a solid special teams guy and return man. Also supposed to be a good voice in the locker room. Solid depth signing.

EDIT: Oops. Didn't see MurrayBannerman's post. Sorry for the double.

Blackhawkswincup 03-23-2013 03:40 PM

Its an ok depth signing ,, I have no issues with it

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Originally Posted by MurrayBannerman (Post 62232825)
Zibby is my favorite ND player ever, so I'm ecstatic!

Ron Powlus is greatest ND player ever

RayP 03-23-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Illinihockey (Post 62230765)
Emery is going to trade down if he can

Isn't it agreed upon talking heads that there really aren't any standout picks from like the 10-40 range?

Gootie 03-23-2013 05:29 PM

Best news about the Bears signing Zibby is it almost guarantees the Bears won't draft a safety for the 50th straight year.

Recoil 03-23-2013 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RayP (Post 62238909)
Isn't it agreed upon talking heads that there really aren't any standout picks from like the 10-40 range?

Not necessarily. There's little "Elite / Top-End" talent in that range (although one of those two Guards would qualify if they fall to 20), but there is a lot of good "every-down starter potential" even into the 2nd. Especially at 4-3 LB, because not a lot of teams run the 4-3 these days, so that plays right into the Bears hands.

Illinihockey 03-23-2013 05:41 PM

If you trade down and pick up an early 2nd and another pick you can probably get one of the next tier of guards like Warford there and grab a linebacker like Minter or Brown at 50

RayP 03-23-2013 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Recoil (Post 62240835)
Not necessarily. There's little "Elite / Top-End" talent in that range (although one of those two Guards would qualify if they fall to 20), but there is a lot of good "every-down starter potential" even into the 2nd. Especially at 4-3 LB, because not a lot of teams run the 4-3 these days, so that plays right into the Bears hands.

Maybe that's what I was thinking of... That, and the fact that there isn't an elite QB in this draft.

Recoil 03-23-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Illinihockey (Post 62241167)
If you trade down and pick up an early 2nd and another pick you can probably get one of the next tier of guards like Warford there and grab a linebacker like Minter or Brown at 50

Agreed. Pugh may not be a bad choice either. If we can trade down and get a bottom of the 1st / bottom of the 2nd picks, that would be fantastic. I suppose a bottom of 1st / 3rd isn't even too bad depending on where it is.

IU Hawks fan 03-24-2013 12:35 PM

4th round:

1. Kansas City: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
2. Jacksonville: Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon
3. Oakland: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
4. Philadelphia: Bjoern Werner, DE/OLB, Florida State University
5. Detroit: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
6. San Francisco- from Cleveland[1]: Shariff Floyd, DT/DE, Florida
7. Arizona: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
8. Buffalo: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
9. New York Jets: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
10. Tennessee: Chance Warmack, G, Alabama
11. San Diego: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
12. Miami: Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU
13. Tampa Bay: darko Xavier Rhodes, CB, FSU
14. Carolina: What the Faulk Cordarelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
15. New Orleans: GKJ Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU
16. St. Louis: Mathletic D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama,
17. Pittsburgh: John Simon, DE, THE Ohio State University
18. Dallas: Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
19. New York Giants: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
20. Chicago: IU Hawks Fan Jonathan Cooper, Guard, North Carolina
21. Cincinnati: Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
22. Miami - from St. Louis & Washington: Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame
23. Minnesota: Keenan Allen, WR, California
24. Indianapolis: Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
25. Seattle: DeAndre Hopkins, WR Clemson
26. New England - from Green Bay[3]: Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia
27. Houston: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
28. Denver: Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
29. Green Bay- from New England[3]: Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
30. Atlanta: Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
31. Cleveland- from San Francisco[1]: Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
32. Baltimore: Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia

2nd round

1. Jacksonville: Kyle Long, OL, Oregon
2. Cleveland - from San francisco & Kansas City [1]: Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
3. Philadelphia: Eric Reid, S, LSU
4. Detroit: Matt Elam, SS, Florida
5. Cincinnati - from Oakland: Manti Te'o, Catfish, Notre Dame
6. Arizona: Matt Barkley, QB, University of Southern California
7. Cleveland: supplemental pick used on Josh Gordon
8. Seattle- from New York Jets: Tank Carradine, DE, Florida St.
9. Tennessee: Marcus Lattimore, RB, SC Cox
10. Buffalo: Dallas Thomas, OL, Tennessee
11. St Louis- from Miami: Barrett Jones, center, University of Alabama
12. Tampa Bay: DT Jonathan Jenkins, Not THE Ohio State University but Georgia
13. Carolina: Bennie Logan, Defensive Tackle, LSU
14. New Orleans: bountygate
15. San Diego: Jonathan Hankins, DT OSU.
16. St. Louis: ,Larry Warford Guard University of Kentucky
17. Dallas: Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
18. Pittsburgh: T.J. McDonald, S, USC
19. New York Giants: Menelik Watson OT Florida State
20. Chicago: Kevin Minter, LB, LSU
21. Washington: Jonathan Cyprien, S, FIU
22. Minnesota: Sylvester Williams, DT, Universtiy of North Carolina
23. Cincinnati: Jamar Taylor, corner Boise State
24. Miami - from St. Louis Miami & Indianapolis[5]: Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
25. Green Bay: Arthur Brown, OLB Kansas State Wildcats
26. Denver from New York Jets & Seattle: Margus Hunt, DE/DT, SMU
27. Houston: Robert Woods, WR, USC
28. New York Jets- from Denver: DJ Swearinger, S, South Carolina
29. New England Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
30. Atlanta: Giovani Bernard, RB, North Carolina
31. Cleveland- from San Francisco [1]: OLB Sio Moore, UConn
32. Baltimore:WR Terrance Williams, Baylor

3rd Round

1. Kansas City: Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
2. Jacksonville: David Amerson, CB, NC State
3. Detroit: Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
4. Oakland: Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, UConn
5. Philadelphia: Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
6. Cleveland: Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State
7. Arizona: Bacarri Rambo, S, Georgia
8. Tennessee: Jamie Collins, DE/LB, Southern Miss
9. Buffalo: Khaseem Greene, OLB, Rutgers
10. St. Louis - from New York Jets [7]: Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
11. Tampa Bay: Robert Alford, CB, Southeast Lousiana
12. Cleveland - from San Francisco & Carolina [1]: Phillip Thomas, FS, Fresno
13. Green Bay from New Orleans [8]: Travis Frederick, Center, Wisconsin
14. San Diego: Justin Pugh, G, Syracuse
15. St. Louis from Miami[5]:Vance McDonald, TE, Rice University
16. St. Louis: A.J. Klein ,LB, Iowa State
17. Pittsburgh: Stefan Taylor, RB, Stanford
18. Dallas: Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas
19. New York Giants: Kevin Riddick, LB North Carolina
20. New York Jets- from St. Louis, Miami & Chicago Tony Jefferson, FS, Oklahoma
21. Minnesota:Markus Wheaton, WR Oregon St.
22. Cincinnati:Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall University
23. Washington: Stedman Bailey, WR,West Virginia University
24. Indianapolis: David Bakhtiari, OL, Colorado
25. New York Jets - from Seattle:Brian Schwenke, G/C, California
26. Green Bay: Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin
27. Houston: Sharmarko Thomas, SS, Syracuse
28. New York Jets- from Denver: Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
29. New Orleans from New England via Green Bay [3][8]: J. J. Wilcox, S, Georgia Southern
30. Atlanta: David Quessenberry, T, San Jose State
31. San Francisco: Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers
32. Baltimore: Oday Abushi, OT, Virgnina
33. Houston (compensatory): E. J. Manuel, QB, Florida State
34. Kansas City (compensatory): Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford
35. Tennessee (compensatory): Cornelius Washington, DE/LB, Georgia

4th round

1. Jacksonville: Da'Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech
2. Kansas City: Kiko Alonso, ILB, Oregon
3. Oakland: Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State
4. Philadelphia: Travis Kelce, Tight End, Cincinnati.
5. Minnesota - from Detroit: Jonathan Bostic, LB, Florida
6. Arizona: Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State
7. Cleveland: Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee
8. Buffalo: Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern
9. Denver-from New York Jets: Mike Gillislee, RB, Florida
10. Tennessee: Terry Hawthorne, CB, Illinois
11. Carolina: Jordan Mills, OL, LA Tech
12. New Orleans: Chris Faulk, OT, LSU
13. San Diego: Denard Robinson, WR, Michigan
14. Miami: Reid Fragel, OT, Ohio State
15. Tampa Bay: Jordan Reed, TE, Florida
16. New york Jets - from St. Louis[7]: Ryan Swope, WR, Texas A&M
17. Dallas: Stansly Maponga, OLB, TCU
18. Pittsburgh: Jake Stoneburner, TE , tOSU
19. New York Giants: Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse.
20. Chicago: IU Hawks Fan

The hell do we want?

Blackhawkswincup 03-24-2013 12:37 PM

Trade the pick to the guy running the Dolphins for 5th round picks

Illinihockey 03-24-2013 12:40 PM

I'd go corner or OT in round 4.

Recoil 03-24-2013 01:52 PM

I'm not much help at this point of the draft, and all the guys I probably would have like to have taken here are off the board. I agree that CB is probably a good need, but I don't know who I'd take.

Also, taking a flier on RB Marcus Lattimore somewhere is a good idea IMO, the question is where. He has a ton of talent, but had a big knee injury, so while he may have been a first rounder once, teams are scared off of him. He can sit on the Bears IR this season and come in 2014 for a nice one-two punch with Forte and Lattimore (Bush gets cut in this scenario).

I don't know if you get him in the 4th (it might be a bit of a reach) or wait till later in the draft --- perhaps 5 or 6 --- but that's one vote too.

MurrayBannerman 03-24-2013 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Recoil (Post 62290437)
I'm not much help at this point of the draft, and all the guys I probably would have like to have taken here are off the board. I agree that CB is probably a good need, but I don't know who I'd take.

Also, taking a flier on RB Marcus Lattimore somewhere is a good idea IMO, the question is where. He has a ton of talent, but had a big knee injury, so while he may have been a first rounder once, teams are scared off of him. He can sit on the Bears IR this season and come in 2014 for a nice one-two punch with Forte and Lattimore (Bush gets cut in this scenario).

I don't know if you get him in the 4th (it might be a bit of a reach) or wait till later in the draft --- perhaps 5 or 6 --- but that's one vote too.

Lattimore was taken in the 2nd

MurrayBannerman 03-24-2013 01:56 PM

Leon McFadden, CB, SDSU would fit in the 4th

Gootie 03-24-2013 02:08 PM

Gavin Escobar is a good value pick in the 4th

I'd be taking him in the 5th round if I didn't already have Ertz


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