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allan5oh 03-24-2013 05:43 PM

What should Chevy do at the deadline?
 
I'm thinking sell one of Hainsey/Antropov, and maybe a roster/roster trade.


Multiple choice allowed.

garret9 03-24-2013 05:52 PM

IMO...

1) Do NOT sell for picks unless it's because you are in turn using picks for getting another roster player.
2) Do NOT sell the farm for rentals.
3) Improving/shuffling roster is fine, which is why #1 works as it is indirectly the same thing.
4) Otherwise stand pat.


Reasoning:
Jets are not ready for being cup favourites and don't have much of a farm to sell.
Jets are ready for gaining important and imperative playoff experience.
Most picks we sell for will never become as effective as what Hainsey and Antropov are for us now.
ATL dove down for picks in their rebuild in 2008 with Bogosian + Kane, other successful teams get up as soon as possible after diving down.

Team Year SeasonsInRebuildMode (top10picks)
CAR 2003 2
WSH 2004 3
CHI 2004 3
STL 2006 3
LAK 2007 3
ATL/WPG 2008 5

allan5oh 03-24-2013 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garret9 (Post 62306295)
1) Do NOT sell for picks unless it's because you are in turn using picks for getting another roster player.

Look at it this way. Compare our current situation to our situation exactly a year ago when Oduya was moved. We're now sitting much prettier(standings and roster), it seems as though our systems are coming through, and the team overall is playing better. Last year a few people were upset that Chevy moved Oduya, it hurt our playoff chances. Fast forward a year and we have two picks from that trade that we can turn into roster players immediately.

It's like cash in the bank.

surixon 03-24-2013 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garret9 (Post 62306295)
IMO...

1) Do NOT sell for picks unless it's because you are in turn using picks for getting another roster player.
2) Do NOT sell the farm for rentals.
3) Improving/shuffling roster is fine, which is why #1 works as it is indirectly the same thing.
4) Otherwise stand pat.


Reasoning:
Jets are not ready for being cup favourites and don't have much of a farm to sell.
Jets are ready for gaining important and imperative playoff experience.
Most picks we sell for will never become as effective as what Hainsey and Antropov are for us now.
ATL dove down for picks in their rebuild in 2008 with Bogosian + Kane, other successful teams get up as soon as possible after diving down.

Team Year SeasonsInRebuildMode (top10picks)
CAR 2003 2
WSH 2004 3
CHI 2004 3
STL 2006 3
LAK 2007 3
ATL/WPG 2008 5

If Trouba signs I would be willing to look hard at moving Hainsy in trade similar to the Morrow deal today. I would look at getting a good prospect who is close to jumping into the show. St Louis has been looking at Hainsy and have a couple of guys that come to mind. Schwartz, Cole, etc... I'm not super interested in trading for picks as we have enough of them this year.

garret9 03-24-2013 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allan5oh (Post 62306907)
Look at it this way. Compare our current situation to our situation exactly a year ago when Oduya was moved. We're now sitting much prettier(standings and roster), it seems as though our systems are coming through, and the team overall is playing better. Last year a few people were upset that Chevy moved Oduya, it hurt our playoff chances. Fast forward a year and we have two picks from that trade that we can turn into roster players immediately.

It's like cash in the bank.

Oduya was our number 5 more often than not, Hainsey should be our number 4 but has been playing on the top pair more often than not due to injuries. Not a direct comparison.

Also, with the Clitsome pickup it was still along the lines of receiving a roster player... which was my point, just another method.

peg 03-24-2013 06:09 PM

It sure would by nice if Noel put Kulda in the lineup so Chevy could make an informed decision on him. If Kulda can play at the NHL level it would make it a lot easier to move Hainsey. How can Chevy make a decision when Noel won't play him?

gholas 03-24-2013 06:11 PM

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Jet 03-24-2013 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peg (Post 62307873)
It sure would by nice if Noel put Kulda in the lineup so Chevy could make an informed decision on him. If Kulda can play at the NHL level it would make it a lot easier to move Hainsey. How can Chevy make a decision when Noel won't play him?

I think they have a plan for Kulda, doesn't that make sense?

Perhaps let him practice, learn the system a bit. Don't throw him to the wolves in the middle of the playoff race?

He will get his chance. They didn't sign him on a one way for nothing.

allan5oh 03-24-2013 06:15 PM

Also consider if Meech has any trade value, they want to play him. It's not a big deal waiting on Kulda.

thereturn 03-24-2013 06:51 PM

I'd have a better idea how to answer this in a week's time. Four more games coming up including two huge ones vs. Carolina.

If we're still sitting in 3rd, or generally sitting pretty coming up to Deadline Day, I'm less interested in dealing Antro and/or Hainsey for whatever we may get. Also, if we had any indication that either of these players could re-sign here at a reasonable rate, I'd also be less inclined to deal them, unless the return is good for us (agree that a 2nd or 3rd rounder that may help the team in 3-5 years is not ideal - we have a bunch of these picks already).

That said, if we know that either player has designs of heading elsewhere after the year (and our playoff chances get more murky), then it's probably a good idea to get some return.

First priority right now has to be getting this year's squad to the playoffs though. Not saying go out and get rentals for a deep run or anything, but there's a lot of guys on this team that have never been to the playoffs yet, and could use the experience (however many games or rounds we may last) for future runs.

KCjetsfan 03-24-2013 06:54 PM

I'd keep Antro. I'd consider trading Hainsey if the return was worthwhile, such as an equivalent forward or first round pick (maybe that's asking much?)

Winnipeg Jets 03-24-2013 06:56 PM

I'd extend Hainsey and sell Antro for picks. This team needs depth, get a good amount of picks but not at the expense of selling off the majority of our roster players. We're not in a position to contend for the cup so right now the idea should be to stock up the cupboard.

peter sullivan 03-24-2013 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allan5oh (Post 62306907)
Look at it this way. We're now sitting much prettier(standings and roster).

Only because our division is worse, record is the same....team isn't any better.

phamJET 03-24-2013 07:05 PM

improve depth of 3rd line/4th line
improve 2nd line

If the jets make it into the playoffs, have them go far as they can, make some money for true north.

DarthMonty 03-24-2013 07:21 PM

Unless the bottom falls out, I think the team should stand pat - Hainsey and Antropov are worth much more in the line-up during the post season than some picks for the draft.

Even if the Jets make the play-offs, the likelyhood of them going deep is slim, so why not "dance with what brung you", and evaluate after the season ends. They will still have an opportunity to make moves before the Draft and Free Agency begin.

JustBeCool 03-24-2013 11:10 PM

If the price is good for Hainsey/Antropov, definitely have to jump on it. If none of the trades are good enough, stand pat. No point underselling I think. Playoffs all they way and I think both of them will help.

Turbofan 03-24-2013 11:22 PM

Depends where we are. I figure Chevy is drafting a Plan A, B, and C.

vBurmi 03-24-2013 11:42 PM

If you're not a cup contender and your prospect depth is terrible, you've got to either re-sign or sell. If you think Hainsey and/or Antropov contribute to the team culture you're trying to build, you re-sign them immediately even if it's just for a year or two because mid-round picks are unlikely to become steady roster players like those two. Failing that, you have to sell. You can't afford to lose them for nothing and the price for rentals this year is high.

I don't think trading Antropov and/or Hainsey is necessarily sending the wrong message either. The team could see it as a vote of confidence for the young guys - i.e. that Kulda and/or Burmi is ready to step up and play more substantial minutes. I do think it's important for the young guys to get playoff experience and I don't think Antropov or Hainsey are that crucial for it to happen; The trade deadline is pretty late this year. I also wouldn't be surprised to see both re-signed. They're not exactly hitting retirement age.

Aries56 03-24-2013 11:57 PM

I'm in favor of trading Antro and Hainsey for whatever we can get, and then picking up a 2nd line RW (maybe Stafford or a STL player).

If it can all be done in one trade, even better.

With Enstrom back, we're sitting with 9 D when everyone's healthy... which we're not far from. I'm more than happy with the top 4 we had tonight. They didn't look any worse tonight than they did when Hainsey was in the line up.

Hainsey's value is high, get something good for him while we can.

hockeyarena 03-25-2013 12:00 AM

I can't stand Antro and Hainsey as much as the next guy but I say keep em both. Trade a 3rd and potentially a 2nd if it's worth it for a goal scorer.
Guys like Stastny, Hemsky, Ray Whitney, Clowe, St. Louis, Briere, Stafford, and Pominville should all be discussed at the very least.

wpgsilver 03-25-2013 12:09 AM

Everything depends on what the return is and what the price is in any deal. Without that information its tough to answer.


^^^BTW nice avatar ;)

Tom ServoMST3K 03-25-2013 12:11 AM

How about a rental for rental, Hainsey for a rental #2 RW behind wheels

bazaaa* 03-25-2013 12:40 AM

Move Antropov, get Stafford.
Move Hainsey if it can get a decent return.

allan5oh 03-25-2013 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom ServoMST3K (Post 62342637)
How about a rental for rental, Hainsey for a rental #2 RW behind wheels

What are the odds of that happening. I guess it would fall under roster trade.

Hollywood3 03-25-2013 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthMonty (Post 62313121)
Unless the bottom falls out, I think the team should stand pat - Hainsey and Antropov are worth much more in the line-up during the post season than some picks for the draft.

Even if the Jets make the play-offs, the likelyhood of them going deep is slim, so why not "dance with what brung you", and evaluate after the season ends. They will still have an opportunity to make moves before the Draft and Free Agency begin.

That's how I voted.

They aren't winning the Cup, so don't mortgage the future.

At the same time, they have a darn good chance of finishing first in their division. They may not get that again in the next 5 years. Lots of pretty decent teams go a long time without a first place finish.

BTW, what exactly do you proponents of a trade think they would get for a UFA? We have lots of picks this year and have lots of waiver claim calibre players. Unless there is a stupid GM out there all I would them getting is more of what we don't really need.


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