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TribalPhoenix 03-24-2013 08:11 PM

Toronto/Columbus
 
:leafs

Fedor Tyutin

:cbj

Jesse Blacker/Joe Colborne
Mike Kostka (roster spot)
TOR 2nd 2013


I'm curious about what others think. I'd like to see Tyutin in a Leafs jersey... has an all round presence, and could easily be the #3 guy that the Leafs are looking for as he is a two-way guy who can shut down the opposition, but also play a bit on the PP.

Jackets get a guy in Blacker who is a #3/4 d-man down the road, and is maybe 1-2 years away to making a difference with their young blue line corps of Murray, Savard, Erixon and Goloubef. If they opt for Colborne, they get a guy who has really turned it on this season, and at 6'5" and 210+, he would give walk into a roster spot on the Jackets. Kostka can man the blueline now, even if only for the season but could be re-signed to a 6/7 role, and the 2nd is in a deep draft.

Not sure how CBJ fans value Tyutin, but interested to hear thoughts. I've always like Tyutin, and think he'd be a valuable addition to the blue and white who need solid defencemen.

aarons3005 03-24-2013 08:14 PM

love it as a leaf fan, but there's no way columbus says yes, they love tyutin.

TribalPhoenix 03-24-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aarons3005 (Post 62325007)
love it as a leaf fan, but there's no way columbus says yes, they love tyutin.

Fair comment for them... I love the dude as a second pairing d-man, so I would imagine they would to.

Would love to hear a counter from them. I get the feeling that he's the kind of guy Nonis would target... a short and long term solution.

RDriesenUD 03-24-2013 08:30 PM

If we were to trade him, I would prefer to trade him for something else, but the value is probably there if you make the 2nd a 1st.

Hero 03-24-2013 08:43 PM

Love love love Tyutin, but don't see why Cbj moves him.

TribalPhoenix 03-24-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RDriesenUD (Post 62327095)
If we were to trade him, I would prefer to trade him for something else, but the value is probably there if you make the 2nd a 1st.

I could see another team giving up a 1st, but not the Leafs. We just aren't that close to the end game scenario for a Cup.

I'm curious - would Jackets fans prefer Colborne or Blacker?

Cardiac_Canes 03-24-2013 08:49 PM

Quantity does not equal quality. I see a lot of not so great pieces and a second round pick. No motivation for Columbus to do this.

RDriesenUD 03-24-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalPhoenix (Post 62329687)
I could see another team giving up a 1st, but not the Leafs. We just aren't that close to the end game scenario for a Cup.

I'm curious - would Jackets fans prefer Colborne or Blacker?

Neither really. That is why I said I would prefer to trade him for something else if we were to trade him.

stevo61 03-24-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalPhoenix (Post 62329687)
I could see another team giving up a 1st, but not the Leafs. We just aren't that close to the end game scenario for a Cup.

I'm curious - would Jackets fans prefer Colborne or Blacker?

Well i don't really have much hope for Colborne anymore and although i like Blacker i don't think it's worth moving Tyutin and he's not the type of defenseman thats needed. If you changed it to Finn though... that would be a bit more interesting :sarcasm: Or just take Wiz instead

Hotlanta 03-24-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo61 (Post 62335221)
Well i don't really have much hope for Colborne anymore and although i like Blacker i don't think it's worth moving Tyutin and he's not the type of defenseman thats needed. If you changed it to Finn though... that would be a bit more interesting :sarcasm: Or just take Wiz instead

You should see how he has preformed since the scar tissue broke down on his wrist injury. Definitely an important prospect for our team. However, I would do this deal in a second.

Phion Keneuf 03-24-2013 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo61 (Post 62335221)
Well i don't really have much hope for Colborne anymore and although i like Blacker i don't think it's worth moving Tyutin and he's not the type of defenseman thats needed. If you changed it to Finn though... that would be a bit more interesting :sarcasm: Or just take Wiz instead

Colborne has been playing at a PPG pace for the last 35ish games.

He's fully healthy now and still projects as a solid 2nd/3rd line C.

Crede777 03-24-2013 09:50 PM

I don't think the value is there. REALLY don't need any more defensive or 2nd/3rd line prospects.

If Tyutin were traded I would want a 1st round pick plus a decent prospect coming back.

stevo61 03-24-2013 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 62336343)
Colborne has been playing at a PPG pace for the last 35ish games.

He's fully healthy now and still projects as a solid 2nd/3rd line C.

I'm a pretty big leafs fan aswell and i know all about Colborne, he did the same thing last year and then disappeared. I was excited when Toronto got him but in all honesty i think he's more likely a 3rd liner then 2nd. He's almost like a less skilled, lower hockey IQ version of Johansen. With Johansen, Brassard and Jenner on the way along with 3 first rounders this year i just don't think he'd be someone Columbus would really look at

kihei 03-24-2013 09:59 PM

The Leafs aren't going to be trading their first, so it remains to be seen if there is any other way to up the ante that would appeal to Columbus as Colborne/Blacker and Kostka aren't going to get it done. I don't see it happening though Tyutin would be a fine addition to the Leafs.

tml145 03-24-2013 10:03 PM

Colborne is our best prospect after Reily

i dont consider Kadri and Gardner prospects anymore

Leafs are in no position to trade one of their best prospects

Nonis said he wont be training young player unless it is for other young players

these are the same Leafs fans putting Kadri into every proposal the last few years

Colborne is only 9 months older than Kadri

Leafs are quick to label a player a bust or expendable

after Colborne our next best center prospect is Greg Mckegg

Greg Mckegg is a great name but he is 2 to 3 years away from the NHL if at all

Colborne will be in the NHL next year

major major 03-25-2013 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Crede777 (Post 62337049)
I don't think the value is there. REALLY don't need any more defensive or 2nd/3rd line prospects.

If Tyutin were traded I would want a 1st round pick plus a decent prospect coming back.

Agreed. I don't think Colborne + 2nd is bad value, though, it's really just another case of the Jackets not getting what they need. I think I've said the same thing in every trade thread: Columbus lacks top line talent. Either give us a prospect who has a chance at it or draft picks who have a chance at it. If Jarmo wants to move Tyutin I think value might be two 2nd rounders and a 4th rounder.

candyman82 03-25-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by major major (Post 62346593)
Agreed. I don't think Colborne + 2nd is bad value, though, it's really just another case of the Jackets not getting what they need. I think I've said the same thing in every trade thread: Columbus lacks top line talent. Either give us a prospect who has a chance at it or draft picks who have a chance at it. If Jarmo wants to move Tyutin I think value might be two 2nd rounders and a 4th rounder.

To me, if you don't get a 1st for Tyutin then don't bother trading him

leeroggy 03-25-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 62336343)
Colborne has been playing at a PPG pace for the last 35ish games.

He's fully healthy now and still projects as a solid 2nd/3rd line C.

Until Colborne proves he can play in the NHL, which he has not yet, then he is over-valued. Tyutin is a heck of a proven commodity and Columbus is not going to see this as fair value. Columbus doesn't need any more 'futures', they need 'nows'. And with 3 first rounders that is even more true.

Would the Leafs have traded Luke Schenn to the Isles for Matt Donovan, Johan Sundstrom and a 2nd, which is a similar offer? No, they wanted JVR, a PROVEN NHLer.

TSA0402 03-25-2013 08:33 AM

Didnt Kaberle go for a 1st, Colborne, +?

I realize that was a stupid overpayment, but just saying.

leeroggy 03-25-2013 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TSA0402 (Post 62352121)
Didnt Kaberle go for a 1st, Colborne, +?

I realize that was a stupid overpayment, but just saying.

Bad past trades don't justify bad future trades

TSA0402 03-25-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by leeroggy (Post 62352471)
Bad past trades don't justify bad future trades

Sets a precedent. Gives an IDEA what Toronto should expect to give up, not the usual crap they are looking to offshoot.

DKQ 03-25-2013 08:55 AM

Columbus and Toronto don't make good trade partners. Both are deep with depth wingers, prospects who project to be depth forwards and prospect defensemen. Columbus would probably only deal Tyutin for immediate or near future scoring help (which Colborne is not, being a completely unproven commodity)

gabeliscious 03-25-2013 08:57 AM

i think the jackets have looked real good this season. they are a bubble team. i think if they can tweak the current roster the could make a push next season. why would they look to break that up for more depth.

at some point you need to quit selling and look to move forward

leeroggy 03-25-2013 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TSA0402 (Post 62352641)
Sets a precedent. Gives an IDEA what Toronto should expect to give up, not the usual crap they are looking to offshoot.

Come on. There have been probably 1000 NHL trades in the last ten years. There is NO GIVEN VALUATION CHART to use, nor an expected return calculation. There are two organizations and their decision makers that decide based on many factors, including need, money, strategic direction, etc.

The only people who set parameters are those of us here; certainly the NHL GM's don't listen to what we discuss here. And certainly no GM gives a rat's ass about precedent set by other team's transactions. The only time they consider precedent is in SALARY NEGOTIATIONS.

Petes2424 03-25-2013 09:26 AM

Columbus is fighting for a playoff spot after playing really well the last month. You dont minus one of your better players by selling them off for futures.


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