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Fulcrum 03-25-2013 04:26 AM

Roster Talk '13 — Russia
 
All the best, whoever can, will show up unless injured, and maybe even if injured.

/thread. :)

But really I would like to see Kuznetsov, Ketov, Shipachyov and maybe even Petrov make this years WC team, instead of the aging Zaripov Tereschenko...

russianhockey 03-31-2013 10:34 AM

lets have a look at the current candidates:

KHL
Offense
RWs: Radulov, Perezhogin, Kuznetsov, Dadonov
Centers: Shipyachyov, Tereshchenko, Tikhonov, Svitov
LWs: Mozyakin, Popov, Zherdev, Shirokov
Shaky candidates: Kokarev, Ketov, Varnakov, Plotnikov, Kazionov (C)

Defense
Nikulin, Medvedev, Kalinin, Belov, Biryukov
Shaky candidates: Denisov, Ryasensky, Rylov, Chudinov

Goalies
Barulin, Koshechkin

NHL
Kulikov, Varlamov
Shaky candidates:
Syomin, Ovechkin, Tarasenko, Anisimov, Tyutin, Nikitin, Bobrovsky

russianhockey 03-31-2013 10:47 AM

bilyaletdinov named 34 candidates for the euro hockey challange 2013 (preparation-tournament for the last stage @ the euro hockey tour / world championship 2013)

among others:
• S. Mozyakin
• A. Radulov
• A. Perezhogin
• A. Popov
• V. Shipachyov

Opponents: Danmark, Norway, Switzerland

full list / schedule:
http://russianhockey.weebly.com/1/post/2013/03/bilyaletdinov-named-candidates-for-the-euro-hockey-challenge-2013.html

Atas2000 03-31-2013 04:12 PM

A wild guess regarding the current NHL play.


The scoring lines possible:

Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Radulov
Ovechkin - Tereschenko - Semin
Kuznetsov - Burmistrov - Tarasenko (WJC! )
Popov - Loktionov - Perezhogin (Loktionov is as good as advertised by Larionov.)

HM and possible replacement for NHLers

Mozyakin - Shipachyov - Dadonov

The Bill's favorite 4th line

Kokarev - Anisimov - Plotnikov
Shirokov - Svitov - Ketov

D:

Nikulin - Kulikov
Belov - Ryasensky (Ryas is a lock. Did you watch him play at the last WC?)
Medvedev - Tyutin (Not happy at all with Medvedev's play recenty. Just hope he can bounce back)
Kalinin - Biryukov

G:

Varlamov, Bobrovsky, Barulin

Dares 04-01-2013 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 62868293)
A wild guess regarding the current NHL play.


The scoring lines possible:

Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Radulov
Ovechkin - Tereschenko - Semin
Kuznetsov - Burmistrov - Tarasenko (WJC! )
Popov - Loktionov - Perezhogin (Loktionov is as good as advertised by Larionov.)

HM and possible replacement for NHLers

Mozyakin - Shipachyov - Dadonov

The Bill's favorite 4th line

Kokarev - Anisimov - Plotnikov
Shirokov - Svitov - Ketov

D:

Nikulin - Kulikov
Belov - Ryasensky (Ryas is a lock. Did you watch him play at the last WC?)
Medvedev - Tyutin (Not happy at all with Medvedev's play recenty. Just hope he can bounce back)
Kalinin - Biryukov

G:

Varlamov, Bobrovsky, Barulin




Burmistrov ? WTF ?????
you watching any hockey or just putting down random names ?????????

russianhockey 04-01-2013 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 62868293)
A wild guess regarding the current NHL play.


The scoring lines possible:

Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Radulov
Ovechkin - Tereschenko - Semin
Kuznetsov - Burmistrov - Tarasenko (WJC! )
Popov - Loktionov - Perezhogin (Loktionov is as good as advertised by Larionov.)

HM and possible replacement for NHLers

Mozyakin - Shipachyov - Dadonov

The Bill's favorite 4th line

Kokarev - Anisimov - Plotnikov
Shirokov - Svitov - Ketov

D:

Nikulin - Kulikov
Belov - Ryasensky (Ryas is a lock. Did you watch him play at the last WC?)
Medvedev - Tyutin (Not happy at all with Medvedev's play recenty. Just hope he can bounce back)
Kalinin - Biryukov

G:

Varlamov, Bobrovsky, Barulin

whats that? this is not sochi, we can have all them nhl players...
in bast case, maybe 2 or 3 of them (shaky candidates)...

http://www.abload.de/img/nhl-p131rnska.png

some players like loktionov, burmistrov are absolutely no-go's under bilyaletdinov.
bilyaletdinov said cleary, they do not scout nhl players this season, that means we will have ensured no new comers like loktionov or burmistrov or somebody else!!!

regarded as entirely realistic, we have to assume that we will see 3 khl lines @ this Worlds

Fulcrum 04-01-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russianhockeyDOTde (Post 62906033)
whats that? this is not sochi, we can have all them nhl players...
in bast case, maybe 2 or 3 of them (shaky candidates)...

http://www.abload.de/img/nhl-p131rnska.png

some players like loktionov, burmistrov are absolutely no-go's under bilyaletdinov.
bilyaletdinov said cleary, they do not scout nhl players this season, that means we will have ensured no new comers like loktionov or burmistrov or somebody else!!!

regarded as entirely realistic, we have to assume that we will see 3 khl lines @ this Worlds

I think you misunderstood. They are not scouting as in they don't have any dedicated scouts, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't consider them. They are not blind to see that Loktionov is doing well, it doesn't take much to check. Why would they cut them selves off? just because? come on- that doesn't make any sense.

If Loktionov adds even more to his game, it's not outside the box for him to get invited.

Burmistrov doesn't have a chance, nothing to do with scouting.

ozo 04-01-2013 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fulcrum (Post 62348795)
All the best, whoever can, will show up unless injured, and maybe even if injured.

/thread. :)

But really I would like to see Kuznetsov, Ketov, Shipachyov and maybe even Petrov make this years WC team, instead of the aging Zaripov Tereschenko...

Hopefully you are wrong, Tereschenko is awesome.

Fantomas 04-01-2013 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russianhockeyDOTde (Post 62906033)
bilyaletdinov said cleary, they do not scout nhl players this season

So he's an idiot? Fantastic.

Fantomas 04-01-2013 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fulcrum (Post 62909841)
If Loktionov adds even more to his game, it's not outside the box for him to get invited.

They'd be nuts to not invite him if NJ misses the playoffs.

Fulcrum 04-02-2013 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantomas (Post 62976299)
They'd be nuts to not invite him if NJ misses the playoffs.

I'm just not convinced that he would be a better Centre than Tereschenko or Anisimov or maybe even Svitov..

Atas2000 04-02-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dares (Post 62901397)
Burmistrov ? WTF ?????
you watching any hockey or just putting down random names ?????????

I think you don't watch it. I watch that mess called the Jets pretty often. If they don't need skilled players they should trade them.

Atas2000 04-02-2013 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fulcrum (Post 63012531)
I'm just not convinced that he would be a better Centre than Tereschenko or Anisimov or maybe even Svitov..

He doesn't have the experience of Tereschenko but is basically a very similar player with maybe a better upside. I think he'll definitely will be at camp in august. If he makes the wC roster will depend on what centers are available. And you just can't consider Svitov here. Bill has a clear philosophy. He has 3 scoring lines and a shutdown line. The players he chooses for those are totally different. Svitov would be a 4th line faceoff specialist for Bill. But he would never even consider a player like Loktionov on the 4th line. So these two are basiaclly not competing for the same spot on the roster.

Atas2000 04-02-2013 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantomas (Post 62976191)
So he's an idiot? Fantastic.

No panic. He just said it in an interview during the lockout asked about Kravchuk who was scouting the players in NA and was appointed the U-18 head coach during the lockout because there was nothing to scout in the NHL. Bill also stated that he'd think of two rosters with and without NHLers in case the NHL block the players from coming to the Olympics. You have to understand at which point in time he was saying what.

btw regarding how many players from NA Kravchuck called up for the Sochi camp for the U-18 WC he's still up to date with what's going on in NA.

Atas2000 04-02-2013 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fulcrum (Post 62909841)
I think you misunderstood. They are not scouting as in they don't have any dedicated scouts, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't consider them. They are not blind to see that Loktionov is doing well, it doesn't take much to check. Why would they cut them selves off? just because? come on- that doesn't make any sense.

If Loktionov adds even more to his game, it's not outside the box for him to get invited.

Burmistrov doesn't have a chance, nothing to do with scouting.

You mean because he ******* up his relationship with Bill at the last WC?

Atas2000 04-02-2013 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russianhockeyDOTde (Post 62906033)
whats that? this is not sochi, we can have all them nhl players...
in bast case, maybe 2 or 3 of them (shaky candidates)...

http://www.abload.de/img/nhl-p131rnska.png

some players like loktionov, burmistrov are absolutely no-go's under bilyaletdinov.
bilyaletdinov said cleary, they do not scout nhl players this season, that means we will have ensured no new comers like loktionov or burmistrov or somebody else!!!

regarded as entirely realistic, we have to assume that we will see 3 khl lines @ this Worlds

If we hadn't that thin air at center I'd agree with that. With no Datsyuk and Malkin he could easily turn to that option.

Fulcrum 04-02-2013 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 63020071)
You mean because he ******* up his relationship with Bill at the last WC?

That could be a small part of it, but in order to repair it he would have to play better, which he hasn't. I've watched 2 games with him this year, and although it isn't much Burmistrov is really nothing special from what I've seen. Weird decisions and turnovers, doesn't try anything (passing plays or 1v1) just dump and chase and while he is responsible defensively he's not exactly a specialist either.

Bottom line is, I don't see any flair in him that would elevate him to NT status. There are at least a few brigher centers in KHL worth a try over him.

Fulcrum 04-02-2013 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 63018897)
He doesn't have the experience of Tereschenko but is basically a very similar player with maybe a better upside. I think he'll definitely will be at camp in august. If he makes the wC roster will depend on what centers are available. And you just can't consider Svitov here. Bill has a clear philosophy. He has 3 scoring lines and a shutdown line. The players he chooses for those are totally different. Svitov would be a 4th line faceoff specialist for Bill. But he would never even consider a player like Loktionov on the 4th line. So these two are basiaclly not competing for the same spot on the roster.

I agree with you on all of that. But from what I have seen, and the stats do back me up here, Burmistrov really needs to step up his offensive contribution despite his situation in Winnipeg to cut the first 3 lines for NT. I really doubt Bill would take him just because of the 'prospect' or upside. Russia needs the best to win WC, not like that other country that sends 19-20 year olds to develop at WC and fails :sarcasm:

Let's face it, there's almost no chance of him making Olympics at this point and in turn same for WC. Not unless he explodes in every way.

Atas2000 04-02-2013 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fulcrum (Post 63033111)
That could be a small part of it, but in order to repair it he would have to play better, which he hasn't. I've watched 2 games with him this year, and although it isn't much Burmistrov is really nothing special from what I've seen. Weird decisions and turnovers, doesn't try anything (passing plays or 1v1) just dump and chase and while he is responsible defensively he's not exactly a specialist either.

Bottom line is, I don't see any flair in him that would elevate him to NT status. There are at least a few brigher centers in KHL worth a try over him.

The dump and chase is what basically everybody is told to do on the Jets. If he doesn't he gets scratched. Dumb organization. Even some fans start to realize after the delirium over having a team again subsided. He is not responsible for the style of play he's forced to play by a team full of 3rd liners.

And please name those centers from the KHL. I want to give you a fair chance at least.

Fulcrum 04-02-2013 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 63047851)
The dump and chase is what basically everybody is told to do on the Jets. If he doesn't he gets scratched. Dumb organization. Even some fans start to realize after the delirium over having a team again subsided. He is not responsible for the style of play he's forced to play by a team full of 3rd liners.

And please name those centers from the KHL. I want to give you a fair chance at least.

A fair chance? You're telling me Bill would rather take an inexperienced and underperfroming young Burmistrov over guys proven guys like Tikhonov, Shepachyov, Kazionov or even Zinoviev and Svitov?? There are also guys like Gorovikov, Grigorenko and even Tsvetkov who looks very good for Dynamo.

I know Russia is thin down the middle, but I really don't believe that Burmistrov is better than those guys right now. What exactly would make him better? He's done almost nothing whether its AHL or NHL vs guys that I mentioned who are strong Centres on their teams..

Atas2000 04-03-2013 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fulcrum (Post 63057459)
A fair chance? You're telling me Bill would rather take an inexperienced and underperfroming young Burmistrov over guys proven guys like Tikhonov, Shepachyov, Kazionov or even Zinoviev and Svitov?? There are also guys like Gorovikov, Grigorenko and even Tsvetkov who looks very good for Dynamo.

I know Russia is thin down the middle, but I really don't believe that Burmistrov is better than those guys right now. What exactly would make him better? He's done almost nothing whether its AHL or NHL vs guys that I mentioned who are strong Centres on their teams..

Well Burmistrov can't be considered inexperienced by now in my eyes. But you say Burmistrov is underachieving and Tikhonov who couldn't get a grip in the NHL is the man. Okay.

Shipachyov problem is obvious. It's his size. If he can't gain some muscle he won't be able to translate his talent to the level of play needed on the NT. His best game for the NT was at Chnnel One Cup on the wing. It speaks for itself. I have no objections against giving the man his chance, but I see him pretty much the same level as Burmistrov right now on NT level. You really think Burmistrov wouldn't be able to perform given top center spot on a middle of the pack KHL team?

Kazionov and Svitov as I mentioned earlier are in the different league. They would be considered by Bill for the 4th line.

And let's not even talk amout "The Diva" Zinoviev. Only God knows what's on his mind all the time. Bill doesn't like those players.

Beyond that it's really not NT caliber And the Dynamo guys only look good with Dynamo, bacause of Znarok's system. It's a good system, but it lives of utilizing no superstar players to make them work as a whole.

Anyway my list consists of all possible candidates. No chance they all will be availabe. We just don't know who won't yet.

P.S. Watch Burmistrov play. He has it. If we start picking players by their stats we'lll never have guys on the team like Ketov or Shirokov and they are World Champions now. And we won't send one oh the KHL's top scorers like Shipachyov home. And obviously Bill was right with his decisions.

russianhockey 04-03-2013 06:17 AM

Tikhonov, Varnakov, Alexanderov & Ezhov recalled for the Euro Hockey Challange / Euro Hockey Tour 2013

that means Kalinin / chudinov will most likely not made it to the WC.

Yakushev72 04-03-2013 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 63020071)
You mean because he ******* up his relationship with Bill at the last WC?

In 184 NHL games over 3 seasons, he has produced a total of 22 goals and 34 assists. Burmistrov looked really promising as a junior, but so far, he has produced next to nothing at the senior level. Its fair to suggest that the weak Winnipeg offense has held him back to some degree, but national team quality players stand out by their performance even on weak teams. Its one thing to have negligible goal production, but when you're not even generating assists, its a wonder that your name still circulates among those speculating on national team roster.

Atas2000 04-04-2013 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yakushev72 (Post 63164107)
In 184 NHL games over 3 seasons, he has produced a total of 22 goals and 34 assists. Burmistrov looked really promising as a junior, but so far, he has produced next to nothing at the senior level. Its fair to suggest that the weak Winnipeg offense has held him back to some degree, but national team quality players stand out by their performance even on weak teams. Its one thing to have negligible goal production, but when you're not even generating assists, its a wonder that your name still circulates among those speculating on national team roster.

So you go by the stats? alright then we don't need any scouting, do we? Just pick the guys with the most points.

Atas2000 04-04-2013 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russianhockeyDOTde (Post 63112795)
Tikhonov, Varnakov, Alexanderov & Ezhov recalled for the Euro Hockey Challange / Euro Hockey Tour 2013

that means Kalinin / chudinov will most likely not made it to the WC.

And he basically anounced a very young and experimental roster for the Euro Hockey Challenge, basically without the guys you'd consider locks for the WC roster. I wouldn't jump to conclusions right now.Personally I think Chudinov has regressed with SKA.


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