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Veritas0Aequitas 03-25-2013 05:14 AM

Jeff Skinner vs Jordan Eberle
 
Who will be the better player when it's all said and done? Who has the higher upside?

Let the debate rage.

Trance Kuja 03-25-2013 05:24 AM

Jeff Skinner.

lboogie42* 03-25-2013 07:32 AM

skinner. one of the most underrated players in the league.

tony d 03-25-2013 07:43 AM

Close but Jordan eberle

InjuredChoker 03-25-2013 09:09 AM

I'd take Eberle. Skinner hasn't impressed as much when I've seen him.

Sergei Shirokov 03-25-2013 06:07 PM

Skinner.

Everytime I watch Carolina play he makes things happen it seems, can't say the same for Eberle.

NEWFowler 03-25-2013 06:23 PM

Skinner.

Nicko999 03-25-2013 06:28 PM

Jeff Skinner

Sky04 03-25-2013 07:04 PM

Eberle.

CanadienShark 03-25-2013 07:06 PM

Eberle seems like a safe bet for hitting high potential, but Skinner could be outstanding, however less likely to reach that potential. Voted Eberle.

Muzzinga 03-25-2013 07:10 PM

big fan of both, slightly prefer Skinner though

eklunds source 03-25-2013 07:22 PM

If Eberle didn't have Taylor Hall, he would be Joffrey Lupul lite.

So, Skinner.

Sky04 03-25-2013 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eklunds source (Post 62395387)
If Eberle didn't have Taylor Hall, he would be Joffrey Lupul lite.

So, Skinner.

He produces the same without Hall, so no.

Veritas0Aequitas 03-25-2013 08:06 PM

Damn, this is really split.

K2B 03-25-2013 08:10 PM

Eberle

eklunds source 03-25-2013 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sky04 (Post 62397655)
He produces the same without Hall, so no.

Eberle has played 2,017 minutes at 5v5 in his entire career and scored 35 goals.

Of those minutes, he's spent 986 of them (48.8%) with Taylor Hall, and has 23 of his goals during that time (65.7%). Assuming he plays ~15 minutes a night at even strength, that's 23 goals in 66 games (29 goal pace).

In Eberle's 1,031 minutes without Hall, he's scored 12 goals. Again, assuming he plays ~15 minutes a night at even strength, that's 12 goals in 69 games (14 goal pace).

You were saying?

Sky04 03-25-2013 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eklunds source (Post 62405839)
Eberle has played 2,017 minutes at 5v5 in his entire career and scored 35 goals.

Of those minutes, he's spent 986 of them (48.8%) with Taylor Hall, and has 23 of his goals during that time (65.7%). Assuming he plays ~15 minutes a night at even strength, that's 23 goals in 66 games (29 goal pace).

In Eberle's 1,031 minutes without Hall, he's scored 12 goals. Again, assuming he plays ~15 minutes a night at even strength, that's 12 goals in 69 games (14 goal pace).

You were saying?

Sources? Funny you don't include total points also considering Eberle is a playmaker.

PPG last year was identical with or without Hall in the lineup.

Confound 03-25-2013 09:24 PM

Eberle, it's close.

Xavier Laflamme* 03-25-2013 10:18 PM

Eberle now and future.

Wheatking 03-25-2013 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eklunds source (Post 62405839)
Eberle has played 2,017 minutes at 5v5 in his entire career and scored 35 goals.

Of those minutes, he's spent 986 of them (48.8%) with Taylor Hall, and has 23 of his goals during that time (65.7%). Assuming he plays ~15 minutes a night at even strength, that's 23 goals in 66 games (29 goal pace).

In Eberle's 1,031 minutes without Hall, he's scored 12 goals. Again, assuming he plays ~15 minutes a night at even strength, that's 12 goals in 69 games (14 goal pace).

You were saying?

..and when you actually WATCH a game, you can see that Eberle isn't a product of Hall.

Hall is a good player and Eberle has chemistry with him. Keep in mind, if Eberle isn't playing with Hall...who is he playing with?

I'm sure Hall's numbers are a lot better when he's with Eberle too. So I guess you can bust those out in a " Hall vs _____" thread and say he's a product of Eberle.

lawrence 03-25-2013 10:41 PM

Jeff Skinner. Eberle is one of the most overrated players on hfboards.com

Mc5RingsAndABeer 03-25-2013 10:41 PM

Oilers fan that isn't really sure.

eklunds source 03-25-2013 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sky04 (Post 62411303)
Sources? Funny you don't include total points also considering Eberle is a playmaker.

PPG last year was identical with or without Hall in the lineup.

Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com - Eberle, 2007-2012, 5v5 With/Without You
 EDM GF/60EDM GA/60EDM corsi %
Eberle With Hall1.0340.89250.5%
Eberle Without Hall0.8920.97046.0%

When Eberle is on the ice with Hall, the Oilers outshoot and have outscored the opposition. That's pretty remarkable when you consider they spent time playing in front of Khabibulin (who hasn't been NHL calibre in years) and a bottom-3 defense in the league.

When Eberle is away from Hall, the Oilers score less often, allow goals more often, and control significantly less of the play.

There's some caveats to that; it doesn't break down by quality of competition. That's why Horcoff looks awful in Eberle's WOWY - because when Eberle is with Horcoff, they're playing the tough minutes against Sedins/Toews/etc, and when Eberle is away from Horcoff, he's still taking tough minutes and Eberle is being sheltered.

Eberle might very well have scored at the "same ppg" when not playing with Hall, but that's because he was lucky with percentages last year. This year, he hasn't been so lucky.

I mean, last season, he shot 18.9% and this year he's at 8.1%. He isn't nearly as good as he looked last year, and he isn't nearly as bad as his totals suggest this year. Point totals are noise that hide which players are actually following a process that will lead to results.

OrioleWay 03-26-2013 03:28 AM

Skinner is way more talented but he's not impressive lately. I'll take Eberle. At least, he's consistent. Skinner is offense and literally nothing else. He's selfish.

Trafalgar McLaw 03-26-2013 11:25 AM

I'll take Captain Clutch, his slump still has him sitting around a 60 point pace. That says something about his talent level. While I don't think he'll ever be a 40 goal/90 point scorer or anything. I'm sure he'll bounce back and be a perennial 30 goal/80 point threat.


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