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hototogisu 03-25-2013 02:30 PM

Would the Habs benefit from a Heavyweight enforcer? Part 3
 
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hogtownhabsfan* 03-25-2013 02:32 PM

I think it would be worth it to add one just for wednesday against Boston.


I have a fear the Bruins are going to come after Tinordi like they did with Komisarek.

Habbybirthday 03-25-2013 02:36 PM

Just rented "The Last Gladiators" for tonight! Pretty pumped for it. Should widen my prospective on this topic!

Hannibal 03-25-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hogtownhabsfan (Post 62373067)
I think it would be worth it to add one just for wednesday against Boston.


I have a fear the Bruins are going to come after Tinordi like they did with Komisarek.

Especially with Prust and White out + Moen being a softie now.

And for those who are saying Bordeleau is a waste of roster spot. Well, he skates pretty fast for a big guy, and he has enough skills to be able to take a regular shift on a fourth line. He's no Laraque.

Corncob 03-25-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal (Post 62373351)
And for those who are saying Bordeleau is a waste of roster spot. Well, he skates pretty fast for a big guy, and he has enough skills to be able to take a regular shift on a fourth line.

Is this theoretically, considering that he's only played more than 8 minutes in an NHL game once in his life?

overlords 03-25-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hogtownhabsfan (Post 62373067)
I think it would be worth it to add one just for wednesday against Boston.


I have a fear the Bruins are going to come after Tinordi like they did with Komisarek.

Lets hope Tinordi has an above 70 IQ and doesn't decide to drop them with Lucic like Komi did.

Hannibal 03-25-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Corncob (Post 62373967)
Is this theoretically, considering that he's only played more than 8 minutes in an NHL game once in his life?

Watch some Av's game. You will understand.

I don't mind having a good Enforcer that can play a solid 8-10 minutes a night, and if you need to, you double shift another guy. Is that too difficult to understand?

Hannibal 03-25-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by overlords (Post 62374021)
Lets hope Tinordi has an above 70 IQ and doesn't decide to drop them with Lucic like Komi did.

Lucic and or the majority on the Bruins don't care about the intigator rules. They don't care about taking that extra 2 minutes if it needs to be.

See Chara on Emelin. Sometime our players don't "decide" to drop them, they are forced to.

Corncob 03-25-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal (Post 62374281)
Watch some Av's game. You will understand.

I don't mind having a good Enforcer that can play a solid 8-10 minutes a night, and if you need to, you double shift another guy. Is that too difficult to understand?

So why don't Colorado trust Bordelau to play a solid 8 - 10 minutes a night?

Hannibal 03-25-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Corncob (Post 62374459)
So why don't Colorado trust Bordelau to play a solid 8 - 10 minutes a night?

Ryan White: 1 goal, 0 assist, 40 hits. Don't drop the gloves anymore.

Patrick Bordeleau: 0 goal, 2 assists, 61 hits. Drop them with any heavyweight and he's faster than White.

Don't tell me you would prefer Ryan White! :laugh:

Habsterix* 03-25-2013 03:06 PM

What good does an enforcer playing 5 minutes a game is, when you compare to one who can play 10-12 minutes at least?

Unless one likes stage fights, that enforcer needs to be in the ice when things happen in order to be efficient. Prust is an excellent example.

So forget the John Scott, Patrick Bordeleau or George Parros of this world and look at players who will be on the ice more often than not, guys who won't hurt the team when playing more minutes.

I had made a list a while ago and that's where I'd start my shopping personally.

Hannibal 03-25-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsterix (Post 62375535)
What good does an enforcer playing 5 minutes a game is, when you compare to one who can play 10-12 minutes at least?

Unless one likes stage fights, that enforcer needs to be in the ice when things happen in order to be efficient. Prust is an excellent example.

So forget the John Scott, Patrick Bordeleau or George Parros of this world and look at players who will be on the ice more often than not, guys who won't hurt the team when playing more minutes.

I had made a list a while ago and that's where I'd start my shopping personally.

White has no ****ing business in playing 10 minutes a night. He can barely follow the pace of the game. And then, why there's a majority of teams that have a enforcer in their lineup? You're gonna tell me that those teams are all clueless?

Habsterix* 03-25-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal (Post 62375811)
White has no ****ing business in playing 10 minutes a night. He can barely follow the pace of the game. And then, why there's a majority of teams that have a enforcer in their lineup? You're gonna tell me that those teams are all clueless?

Hanni, I think you know that I'm on your side when it comes to the need for tough guys. Having said that, read the article I linked. Therrien likes/wants to rotate four lines so this is a reality faced in Montreal and seeing their record, one would be hardpressed to say that it's not working.

By all means bring someone heavier than Prust to help him, but don't bring someone who won't be on the ice when something happens. That's exactly why I had created that list, to go along what Therrien seems to like to do. I really don't see a Scott, a Bordeleau or a Parros playing like Therrien likes everyone else to play, at least 10 minutes. I do see many others though...

Et le But 03-25-2013 03:20 PM

If we are trading for a grinder from Colorado, it should probably be McLeod.

hogtownhabsfan* 03-25-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by overlords (Post 62374021)
Lets hope Tinordi has an above 70 IQ and doesn't decide to drop them with Lucic like Komi did.

What if Tinordi hits someone, and Lucic just comes after him? You want him to turtle?

Hannibal 03-25-2013 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsterix (Post 62376433)
Hanni, I think you know that I'm on your side when it comes to the need for tough guys. Having said that, read the article I linked. Therrien likes/wants to rotate four lines so this is a reality faced in Montreal and seeing their record, one would be hardpressed to say that it's not working.

By all means bring someone heavier than Prust to help him, but don't bring someone who won't be on the ice when something happens. That's exactly why I had created that list, to go along what Therrien seems to like to do. I really don't see a Scott, a Bordeleau or a Parros playing like Therrien likes everyone else to play, at least 10 minutes. I do see many others though...

Therrien loves to rotate fourth line, but every team he coached, he had 1 enforcer on it. He loves those enforcer. It's not about being on the ice while something happens, because even Prust can't be on the ice everytime something happens, BUT, it's about sending a message that if you do something, you will have to pay the price for it. It keeps the opposition in-check.

PsychoticHab 03-25-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsterix (Post 62375535)
What good does an enforcer playing 5 minutes a game is, when you compare to one who can play 10-12 minutes at least?

Unless one likes stage fights, that enforcer needs to be in the ice when things happen in order to be efficient. Prust is an excellent example.

So forget the John Scott, Patrick Bordeleau or George Parros of this world and look at players who will be on the ice more often than not, guys who won't hurt the team when playing more minutes.

I had made a list a while ago and that's where I'd start my shopping personally.

Yeah, a guy like McLeod would be a good addition both physically and also in terms of talent by being better than White and more willing than Moen.

I've also been a fan of Martin but I doubt the Isles have any plans of letting him leave.

ECWHSWI 03-25-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal (Post 62373351)
Especially with Prust and White out + Moen being a softie now.

And for those who are saying Bordeleau is a waste of roster spot. Well, he skates pretty fast for a big guy, and he has enough skills to be able to take a regular shift on a fourth line. He's no Laraque.

5:17 TOI/G and that's on a bad team like the Avs...

Corncob 03-25-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal (Post 62374977)
Ryan White: 1 goal, 0 assist, 40 hits. Don't drop the gloves anymore.

Patrick Bordeleau: 0 goal, 2 assists, 61 hits. Drop them with any heavyweight and he's faster than White.

Don't tell me you would prefer Ryan White! :laugh:

Not really an answer. People keep telling me to watch the Avs to see Bordelau - not really going to, bit worried about the number of Habs fans who seem to be avidly keeping up with Colorado games just for their five minute glimpse of Bordelau tbh. So, in fairness, no I haven't seen much of him. But when people say that he can play ten minutes on a fourth line, the obvious question is 'why isn't he then?'. It's not like Colorado are actually much good, but he's still getting five minutes ice time.

Hannibal 03-25-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ECWHSWI (Post 62377791)
5:17 TOI/G and that's on a bad team like the Avs...

That's the Avs. They're playing only with 3 lines. Even with that, he has even/better stats than Ryan White with more hits and fights.

Hannibal 03-25-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Corncob (Post 62378591)
Not really an answer. People keep telling me to watch the Avs to see Bordelau - not really going to, bit worried about the number of Habs fans who seem to be avidly keeping up with Colorado games just for their five minute glimpse of Bordelau tbh. So, in fairness, no I haven't seen much of him. But when people say that he can play ten minutes on a fourth line, the obvious question is 'why isn't he then?'. It's not like Colorado are actually much good, but he's still getting five minutes ice time.

He has even/better stats than Ryan White. Got that?

Hugo Sham 03-25-2013 03:54 PM

i still have a hard time believing Bergevin is going to go into Boston after what happened last game with only moen in the lineup

ECWHSWI 03-25-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal (Post 62378617)
That's the Avs. They're playing only with 3 lines. Even with that, he has even/better stats than Ryan White with more hits and fights.

even if he's THAT good ? they only play him 5 min a game ?

come on now, it's the awesome Bordeleau we're talking about here, no way they play such a great player only 5 minutes a game, no way :nono:

Et le But 03-25-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal (Post 62378617)
That's the Avs. They're playing only with 3 lines. Even with that, he has even/better stats than Ryan White with more hits and fights.

If they are playing 3 lines it says something about their 4th line. And even then, Bordeleau has by far the lowest average TOI on that team.

He's also only put out there against other 4th liners. White, like the rest of our 4th line, is often forced to weather the storm for a shift against greater competition.

ECWHSWI 03-25-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal (Post 62378705)
He has even/better stats than Ryan White. Got that?

stats... yeah, let's talk about offensive prodution when both White and Bordeleau combine for a grand total of 3 pts... :laugh:


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