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cripl3411 03-27-2013 10:25 PM

Bouwmeester?
 
Bouwmeester to DET in three team trade (involving Iginla) ?
Just reported it on the NHL-on-TSN. Bouwmeester could be heading to DET for prospects and picks.

RedWingsNow* 03-27-2013 10:28 PM

With Kindl's improvement... and with Smith developing... and with Kronwall and Ericsson already signed... why do we want a $6M Lefthanded defenseman?

Smacks of desperation. getting a name just to get a name

JmanWingsFan 03-27-2013 10:29 PM

It was apparently all just sepculation on Bob McKenzie's part. There is apparently speculation of a third team involved in the Iginla trade that may have held up the process.

Big Poppa Puck 03-27-2013 10:29 PM

I don't like his cap hit and I don't think he's worth Jarnkrok, Tatar or Nyquist. Especially not Jarnkrok.

Jurky 03-27-2013 10:30 PM

Mckenzie speculating that it'd be around 1st+Nyquist/Tatar/ or Jarnkrok.

God I really hope this is just speculation.

Ricelund 03-27-2013 10:32 PM

Was this on TV? Can someone post the clip?

loLZokAY 03-27-2013 10:42 PM

I believe McKenzie was simply saying that "if Calgary was going to do a fire-sale then they could trade away Bouw to a team like Detroit for a prospect and a pick, something like a 1st + Nyquist....etc"

It was simply speculation on his part because of the whole Iggy situation today.

detredWINgs 03-27-2013 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedWingsNow (Post 62576655)
With Kindl's improvement... and with Smith developing... and with Kronwall and Ericsson already signed... why do we want a $6M Lefthanded defenseman?

Smacks of desperation. getting a name just to get a name

People have been calling for a PK specialist and defensively responsible Dman all season. Now there's the prospect of a guy coming here who plays that role and has the ability to put up 30-40 points on a season, and no one wants him.

I'm not sure if I said this already, but if Holland is going after J-Bo, he's doing so in order to get the most out of his roster for this year and next, while Datsyuk is still around.

As a point of reference, Bouwmeester's quality of competition ranking is 5th among defenseman that have played 10+ games, and 3rd among defenseman that have played 15+ games. He eats big minutes against the best of the best night-in and night-out, plays a ton on the PK, and is on pace for 40 points despite getting 2nd unit PP time.

Vladdy84 03-27-2013 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 62578841)
People have been calling for a PK specialist and defensively responsible Dman all season. Now there's the prospect of a guy coming here who plays that role and has the ability to put up 30-40 points on a season, and no one wants him.

I'm not sure if I said this already, but if Holland is going after J-Bo, he's doing so in order to get the most out of his roster for this year and next, while Datsyuk is still around.

As a point of reference, Bouwmeester's quality of competition ranking is 5th among defenseman that have played 10+ games, and 3rd among defenseman that have played 15+ games. He eats big minutes against the best of the best night-in and night-out, plays a ton on the PK, and is on pace for 40 points despite getting 2nd unit PP time.

Not for our best prospect and a 1st. This team needs a real goal scorer.

SirKillalot 03-27-2013 10:54 PM

To Detroit:
Bouwmeester
Horak

To Calgary:
Pulkkinen
Mursak
Eaves
3rd
(more?)

Thats My Hat 03-27-2013 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirKillalot (Post 62579635)
To Detroit:
Bouwmeester
Horak

To Calgary:
Pulkkinen
Mursak
Eaves
3rd
(more?)

I'll be fine with trading those for JBo. But Calgary would most definitely be looking for a 1st, maybe a 2nd at the very least.

Vladdy84 03-27-2013 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirKillalot (Post 62579635)
To Detroit:
Bouwmeester
Horak

To Calgary:
Pulkkinen
Mursak
Eaves
3rd
(more?)

Toss in Cleary and we gotta deal! :laugh:

cripl3411 03-27-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vladdy84 (Post 62579863)
Toss in Cleary and we gotta deal! :laugh:

Lmao...thats awesome...

FlashyG 03-27-2013 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 62578841)
People have been calling for a PK specialist and defensively responsible Dman all season. Now there's the prospect of a guy coming here who plays that role and has the ability to put up 30-40 points on a season, and no one wants him.

I'm not sure if I said this already, but if Holland is going after J-Bo, he's doing so in order to get the most out of his roster for this year and next, while Datsyuk is still around.

As a point of reference, Bouwmeester's quality of competition ranking is 5th among defenseman that have played 10+ games, and 3rd among defenseman that have played 15+ games. He eats big minutes against the best of the best night-in and night-out, plays a ton on the PK, and is on pace for 40 points despite getting 2nd unit PP time.

Just playing against the oppositions best players doesn't make you responsible defensively. He has been a plus player only once in his 10 year career and even then he was only +1. This season he ranks 716th in the stat with only 21 defenceman league wide performing worse.

He is similar to Kronwall, but worse defensively, and offensively. I don't think any of us would be advertising Kronwall as defensively responsible. He would also be the team leader in turnovers.

Considering what it would cost to attain him, his cap hit and his production, he's just not worth acquiring.

RedWingsNow* 03-27-2013 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 62578841)
People have been calling for a PK specialist and defensively responsible Dman all season. Now there's the prospect of a guy coming here who plays that role and has the ability to put up 30-40 points on a season, and no one wants him.

I'm not sure if I said this already, but if Holland is going after J-Bo, he's doing so in order to get the most out of his roster for this year and next, while Datsyuk is still around.

As a point of reference, Bouwmeester's quality of competition ranking is 5th among defenseman that have played 10+ games, and 3rd among defenseman that have played 15+ games. He eats big minutes against the best of the best night-in and night-out, plays a ton on the PK, and is on pace for 40 points despite getting 2nd unit PP time.

Look, if we didn;t have the kind of defense we have, I'd love Bouwmeester.

Bouwmeester is worth his cap hit. I like him.

But he's soft. He's a lefty.
Is he an upgrade on any of our defense? Pretty much. But by how much? And by what cost?

It seems like when Ken Holland is going out to dinner and ordering a mozzarella sticks for an appetizer, having pizza for dinner, and then eating cheese cake for desert.

We need a balanced defense,

I've mentioned a guy like Robidas -- who would cost less, cost less cap room - but more importantly, provide a right-handed shot, some physical play, and all around ability.

There are probably other guys out there who would also fit our needs.

Detroit Sports* 03-27-2013 11:12 PM

this has to mean no dekeyser?

detredWINgs 03-27-2013 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlashyG (Post 62580511)
Just playing against the oppositions best players doesn't make you responsible defensively. He has been a plus player only once in his 10 year career and even then he was only +1. This season he ranks 716th in the stat with only 21 defenceman league wide performing worse.

He is similar to Kronwall, but worse defensively, and offensively. I don't think any of us would be advertising Kronwall as defensively responsible. He would also be the team leader in turnovers.

Considering what it would cost to attain him, his cap hit and his production, he's just not worth acquiring.

You lose all credibility with that statement.

And you're right. Coaches tend to play defensively irresponsible players against the opposition's best players in the toughest situations.

detredWINgs 03-27-2013 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vladdy84 (Post 62579221)
Not for our best prospect and a 1st. This team needs a real goal scorer.

I never said he was. And there's no way Detroit would trade both our (arguably) top prospect and our 1st for him because, for all his faults, Holland doesn't make desperation moves like that.

InGusWeTrust 03-27-2013 11:17 PM

Probably not a 3-way deal anymore. TSN is reporting Boston acquiring Iginla.

I'd rather pass on J-Bo anyway..

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=419259

Detroit Sports* 03-27-2013 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beltatross (Post 62582261)
Probably not a 3-way deal anymore. TSN is reporting Boston acquiring Iginla.

I'd rather pass on J-Bo anyway..

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=419259

this. he sucks. rather than dekeyser than that horrible contract.

detredWINgs 03-27-2013 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detroit Sports (Post 62581671)
this has to mean no dekeyser?

Detroit has been reportedly interested in J-Bo for over a year now.

And if we landed Dekeyser, that arguably makes it more likely that we'd trade for J-Bo (or make a similar impact trade). Holland would probably feel more comfortable trading a 1st or a top prospect after getting a top prospect for free.

Detroit Sports* 03-27-2013 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 62582631)
Detroit has been reportedly interested in J-Bo for over a year now.

And if we landed Dekeyser, that arguably makes it more likely that we'd trade for J-Bo (or make a similar impact trade). Holland would probably feel more comfortable trading a 1st or a top prospect after getting a top prospect for free.

we need a top 6 scorer more than gay meester...

RedWingsNow* 03-27-2013 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 62582631)
Detroit has been reportedly interested in J-Bo for over a year now.

And if we landed Dekeyser, that arguably makes it more likely that we'd trade for J-Bo (or make a similar impact trade). Holland would probably feel more comfortable trading a 1st or a top prospect after getting a top prospect for free.


If you're hell bent on getting Bouwmeester, assuming we get DD, you need to trade at least 1 and perhaps 2 defensemen away.

Jakub Kindl, Pulkinnen + a 2nd or 3rd

Then you still too many D. So you probably gotta dump White or CC

Kronwall Bouwmeester
Ericsson Smith
Quincey Dekeyser
Lashoff/White/Colaiacovo

detredWINgs 03-27-2013 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detroit Sports (Post 62582939)
we need a top 6 scorer more than gay meester...

That's pretty immature and in this day and age, inappropriate.

But back on OT - I don't disagree with that, but what we need and what we can get are two different things. Top pairing, two-way defenseman who can play 25+ minutes a night aren't available very often, just like perennial 30 goal scorers under the age of 30 aren't available very often.

Edge of Sanity* 03-27-2013 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detroit Sports (Post 62582939)
we need a top 6 scorer more than gay meester...

Did you seriously just post this?


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