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MarkusNaslund19 03-28-2013 12:29 AM

Sidney Crosby close to accomplishing feat not seen in the NHL since Gretzky in 86-87
 
1987 is the last time an NHL league leading scorer (Gretzky with 121) had as many assists as the next leading scorer (Jari Kurri with 108) had points.

We are two thirds of the way through the season and Crosby (39 assists) is close to matching the number two leading scorer's (Stamkos 43 points) point total on assists alone.


The last time this was even close to happening was in 1990-91 when Gretzky had 122 assists and the 2nd place leading scorer (Brett Hull) had 131 points.

Crosby's statistical dominance should be noted. It should really be treasured a lot more than it is, considering that his career looked to be possibly threatened mere months ago.

edit:
Apologies, I was not "of sound mind" when I posted this, and left some uncharacteristic typos.

Should make more sense now.

Also:

To summarize: For the leading scorer in the NHL to tally as many assists as the 2nd leading scorer has points is an incredible feat. Gretzky did it many times, I think Bobby Orr may have done it.

It hasn't been done since 87 (Gretz). Crosby has a shot at it this year.

Nobody is saying Crosby is as good as Gretzky. I'm a Canucks fan, I'm not a Penguins homer (I like them, but they're not even my 2nd team).

Let's just give credit where it's due, okay?

Leafswillrulesometim 03-28-2013 12:31 AM

Pretty impressive feat...

Can't think of anyone else but him who would do something crazy like that...

I'm pretty sure next week he'll have the Hart trophy all locked up XD

tohaa 03-28-2013 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkusNaslund19 (Post 62589847)
1987 is the last time an NHL league leading scorer (Gretzky with 121) had as many assists as the next leading scorer (Jari Kurri with 198) had points.

We are two thirds of way through the season and Crosby (39 assists) is close to matching the number two leading scorer's (Stamkos 43 points) point total on assists alone.


The last time this was even close to happening was in 1990-91 when Gretzky had 122 points and the 2nd place leading scorer (Brett Hull) had 131 points.

Crosby's statistical dominance should be noted. It should really be treasured a lot more than it is, considering that his career looked to be possibly threatened mere months ago.

none of those numbers make any sense mate

KadriFeedsMeCrow* 03-28-2013 12:43 AM

Kids gonna finish top 10 all time

DanZ 03-28-2013 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tohaa (Post 62592027)
none of those numbers make any sense mate

Yeah I don't see how this makes sense

markisonfire 03-28-2013 01:00 AM

Kurri only had 108 points, that 9 was a mistake. Gretzky scored 75 more points than Kurri, incredibly.

WarriorofTime 03-28-2013 01:03 AM

Make it a thread when it actually happens. As it stands now four players have more points than Crosby does assists. Oh and * (shortened season).

Wizeman* 03-28-2013 01:06 AM

trying to frame crosby into gretzky based on a 30 game pro rated pace is insane.

Mickey Mouse 03-28-2013 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizeman (Post 62595937)
trying to frame crosby into gretzky based on a 30 game pro rated pace is insane.

Pretty much

Montreal Shadow 03-28-2013 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkusNaslund19 (Post 62589847)
1987 is the last time an NHL league leading scorer (Gretzky with 121) had as many assists as the next leading scorer (Jari Kurri with 198) had points.

We are two thirds of way through the season and Crosby (39 assists) is close to matching the number two leading scorer's (Stamkos 43 points) point total on assists alone.


The last time this was even close to happening was in 1990-91 when Gretzky had 122 points and the 2nd place leading scorer (Brett Hull) had 131 points.

Crosby's statistical dominance should be noted. It should really be treasured a lot more than it is, considering that his career looked to be possibly threatened mere months ago.

There are still 14 games left and 4 scorers have more pts than he has assists. Not to mention this season is 48 games long. How is he close? :laugh:

Beef Invictus 03-28-2013 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizeman (Post 62595937)
trying to frame crosby into gretzky based on a 30 game pro rated pace is insane.

Yeah, that's my thought. It's impressive, but not as impressive as doing it in a full season.

domaug* 03-28-2013 01:10 AM

Gretzky > Lemieux, Howe, other players in that category
Gretzky >> Crosby (so far, but MAYBE Crosby will turn that >> into > one day)
Gretzky >> everyone else

that said, that would be one helluva feat for Crosby, shortened season or not.

> inb4 "secondary assist" Criesby

TAnnala 03-28-2013 01:11 AM

What the hell. How is this what is happening anywhere near what Gretzky did?

33 games to the season and Crosby is still behind 4 players in assist/point race.

He has been incredible tough. Definitely deserves the praise for being injured for so long. But come on! This is why some posters here get so sick of Crosby.

WarriorofTime 03-28-2013 01:12 AM

Am I crazy or is Crosby the king of the secondary assist? I don't know how many times I've watched a Pens games and they've had a goal and Crosby got a secondary assist without me noticing. I don't know if it's a testament to his greatness/doing the subtle things or if the kid was just born with a silver spoon in his mouth or both.

Alexdaman 03-28-2013 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizeman (Post 62595937)
trying to frame crosby into gretzky based on a 30 game pro rated pace is insane.

I'm actually not sure if Crosby played at the same as Gretzky, who would end up with more pts. Back then you could be a smoker and score 60G a year ( Guy Lafleur ).

Montreal Shadow 03-28-2013 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 62596225)
Yeah, that's my thought. It's impressive, but not as impressive as doing it in a full season.

Not only that but Crosby has only 11 more pts than Kunitz which is 25% more. Gretzky had around 69% more pts than Kurri.

Alexdaman 03-28-2013 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorofTime (Post 62596511)
Am I crazy or is Crosby the king of the secondary assist? I don't know how many times I've watched a Pens games and they've had a goal and Crosby got a secondary assist without me noticing. I don't know if it's a testament to his greatness/doing the subtle things or if the kid was just born with a silver spoon in his mouth or both.

Yeah right like if Crosby is the only player in the top 10 to get secondary assists. Give it a break.

ottawa 03-28-2013 01:15 AM

Am I the only one that doesn't understand the OP?

Gretzky had 121 assists compared to Kurri's 198 points? or am i just stupid lol

TAnnala 03-28-2013 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorofTime (Post 62596511)
Am I crazy or is Crosby the king of the secondary assist? I don't know how many times I've watched a Pens games and they've had a goal and Crosby got a secondary assist without me noticing. I don't know if it's a testament to his greatness/doing the subtle things or if the kid was just born with a silver spoon in his mouth or both.

You are crazy.

Get To Our Game 03-28-2013 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorofTime (Post 62596511)
Am I crazy or is Crosby the king of the secondary assist? I don't know how many times I've watched a Pens games and they've had a goal and Crosby got a secondary assist without me noticing. I don't know if it's a testament to his greatness/doing the subtle things or if the kid was just born with a silver spoon in his mouth or both.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...5&postcount=21

Player
Total Assists
Primary
Secondary
Crosby352411
St Louis291019
Letang241113
Kunitz211110
Getzlaf21138
Zetterberg21912
Thornton21156
Staal20137
Semin20155
Suter20713
Ribeiro19118
Sedin19109
Malkin19118
Backstrom19712
Stamkos18117
Voracek1899
Elias18108
Giroux18810
Datsyuk18135
Hall18117
Purcell18153

Since then, Crosby has added 3 primary and 1 secondary assist. I don't have the other players updated, other than St. Louis, who adds 3 primary and 2 secondary. So 27 primary assists for Crosby. St. Louis has 34 total assists this year. Getzlaf and Letang are tied for 3rd with 25 total assists. :teach:

Crosby's scoring log for proof.

WarriorofTime 03-28-2013 01:17 AM

I guess St. Louis is the secondary assist king :laugh:. What a scrub.

Hab-a-maniac 03-28-2013 01:17 AM

People always try to lump Crosby in with Lemieux and Gretzky for greatness and feats when they really shouldn't. It does a disservice to all because to me all the forwards that Sid has a chance of equaling or bettering the careers of are names like Forsberg, Lindros, Jagr, Selanne, Jagr, Sakic, Yzerman, Messier, Trottier, Lafleur, Mikita. Crosby is more of a Marcel Dionne or Jean Beliveau level talent but not a GOAT type... not yet at least. As great as Sid has been, even Gordie Howe dominated the league more than he has so far (but it should be pointed out that Howe didn't get that way until 23 whereas Crosby had already won it all by 23).

Novak Djokovic 03-28-2013 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorofTime (Post 62596511)
Am I crazy or is Crosby the king of the secondary assist? I don't know how many times I've watched a Pens games and they've had a goal and Crosby got a secondary assist without me noticing. I don't know if it's a testament to his greatness/doing the subtle things or if the kid was just born with a silver spoon in his mouth or both.

I would never say something like that again.... During his career so far, he leads all players in primary:secondary ratio.

DoktorZaius 03-28-2013 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorofTime (Post 62596511)
Am I crazy or is Crosby the king of the secondary assist? I don't know how many times I've watched a Pens games and they've had a goal and Crosby got a secondary assist without me noticing. I don't know if it's a testament to his greatness/doing the subtle things or if the kid was just born with a silver spoon in his mouth or both.

I'm sure we can find stats on this, but I'd guarantee that 60% of his assists are primaries this season, probably 2/3'ds. The whole Secondary Sidney thing is just a way that detractors have of rationalizing the fact that, yes, he really is this good.

ottawa 03-28-2013 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In Rejean We Trust (Post 62596941)
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...5&postcount=21

Player
Total Assists
Primary
Secondary
Crosby352411
St Louis291019
Letang241113
Kunitz211110
Getzlaf21138
Zetterberg21912
Thornton21156
Staal20137
Semin20155
Suter20713
Ribeiro19118
Sedin19109
Malkin19118
Backstrom19712
Stamkos18117
Voracek1899
Elias18108
Giroux18810
Datsyuk18135
Hall18117
Purcell18153

Since then, Crosby has added 3 primary and 1 secondary assist. I don't have the other players updated, other than St. Louis, who adds 3 primary and 2 secondary. So 27 primary assists for Crosby. St. Louis has 34 total assists this year. Getzlaf and Letang are tied for 3rd with 25 total assists. :teach:

Crosby's scoring log for proof.

Way to just shut everyone up, and badly too :shakehead


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