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detredWINgs 03-29-2013 09:14 PM

Top 8 Goalies in the NHL
 
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...d=nhl:topheads


1. Lundqvist
2. Rinne
3. Quick
4. Price
5. Anderson
6. Brodeur
7. Miller
8. Fleury

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9. Luongo
9. Smith
11. Rask
11. Lehtonen
13. Niemi
13. Crawford
15. Howard
16. Fasth

Thought this was relevant considering Howard is up for a new contract. It doesn't carry much weight considering the voting was done by writers/TV personalities (and because anyone who knows **** about hockey knows that Phoenix goalies are a product of their system), but still.

For those curious, the 15th highest paid goaltender in the NHL makes $4M (but its also Cory Schneider who is not on the list). The cheapest goaltender on here (excluding current free agents and goalies who signed their current contract as a RFA) is Craig Anderson at $3.1M.

The Nose 03-29-2013 09:21 PM

Broduer @ 6 :facepalm:

Jimmy is worth $5M for 4 or 5 years.

Vladdy84 03-29-2013 09:25 PM

Uh, 2 Smith's? I can only think of Mike Smith right now....

I'd put Jimmy in the 8-12 range.

P U L L H A R D 03-29-2013 09:30 PM

I think it is about right. Howard can fall anywhere from about ~10 to 16 and I wouldn't argue it. He is a fine goalie, but is only starting to be able to win games on his own. I think his spot around #10 will be cemented, and widely accepted, in another season or two. (If he sticks with us)

Reality Check 03-29-2013 09:33 PM

Howard has generally always been solid. You just question whether he can take you to the next level.

His play this season is hard to judge as this is a contract year. Either he is more motivated this season or he is improving overall.

Either way, I don't see a scenario where Detroit doesn't resign him.

Crymson 03-29-2013 09:35 PM

Uhh, OK. Since when is Fleury a top-eight goalie? Did the authors not watch him in the playoffs last season? And an aging Brodeur at #6? A past-his-prime Miller at #7? Are these people completely living in the past?

Kronwalled55 03-29-2013 09:47 PM

I'll take a stab at it. Only this season, right?

1. Lundqvist
2. Rinne
3. Price
4. Quick
5. Rask
6. Miller
7. Anderson - Only because he got hurt
8. Lehtonen
9. Schneider
10. Brodeur

Vladdy84 03-29-2013 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kronwalled55 (Post 62745911)
I'll take a stab at it. Only this season, right?

1. Lundqvist
2. Rinne
3. Price
4. Quick
5. Rask
6. Miller
7. Anderson - Only because he got hurt
8. Lehtonen
9. Schneider
10. Brodeur

I see your Gravatar, nice win tonight. Prepare to lose to Florida!

I would say Jimmy is just as good as goalies such as Lehtonen, Schneider and Brodeur.

detredWINgs 03-29-2013 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kronwalled55 (Post 62745911)
I'll take a stab at it. Only this season, right?

1. Lundqvist
2. Rinne
3. Price
4. Quick
5. Rask
6. Miller
7. Anderson - Only because he got hurt
8. Lehtonen
9. Schneider
10. Brodeur

No...
Quote:

[T]he voting for this list was done in mid-February and, in general, voters have considered full bodies of work more persuasive than what individual players have done in this shortened season for all of these top eight arguments.
...Which is why the fact that a guy like Viktor Fasth is even on the list makes it questionable.

RaySheppard 03-29-2013 10:09 PM

Fleury at #8..ya right...Make the backup the starter and win cup..or start Fleury and who knows what could happen.

Detroit Sports 03-29-2013 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Nose (Post 62743549)
Broduer @ 6 :facepalm:

Jimmy is worth $5M for 4 or 5 years.

absurd! he has done NOTHING in his career to earn that. If he gets 5m per he is the Tony Romo of the NHL...

Crymson 03-29-2013 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detroit Sports (Post 62749651)
absurd! he has done NOTHING in his career to earn that. If he gets 5m per he is the Tony Romo of the NHL...

Are you from Earth? If so, you should have a look at the salaries that starting goalies generally get these days.

Detroit Sports 03-30-2013 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crymson (Post 62753001)
Are you from Earth? If so, you should have a look at the salaries that starting goalies generally get these days.

Im just not from earth just not from 'Holland'.

icKx 03-30-2013 09:01 AM

Quick is so overrated based on one playoff run.

Heaton 03-30-2013 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icKx (Post 62760987)
Quick is so overrated based on one playoff run.

I think he's underrated based on the perception of him this year after coming back from surgery.

icKx 03-30-2013 12:06 PM

He's routinely ranked as a top 2-3 goalie based on one good season followed by one stellar post-season.

How is it even possible to be underrated in that circumstance?

Heaton 03-30-2013 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icKx (Post 62769159)
He's routinely ranked as a top 2-3 goalie based on one good season followed by one stellar post-season.

How is it even possible to be underrated in that circumstance?

He had 3 straight 35 win seasons and a season last year where he not only was the main reason whey they made the playoffs and won the cup, but also lost 13 times when he let in 1 goal or less. This offseason he had surgery on his back and has struggled earlier on in the year.

What other goalies have been better than him over the past few years?

Syckle78 03-30-2013 12:52 PM

This is a throw away year in regards to judging Quick. Dude had back surgery and playing in a weird condensed schedule. We'll see how he does on the playoffs and next year.

Anyways the crop of goalies right now is really underwhelming, imo.

detredWINgs 03-30-2013 12:59 PM

Interesting Fact: If Howard gets $5M per year, he'll join Kari Lehtonen as the only other goalie making $5M+ who has never been nominated for the Vezina or won a Stanley Cup.

Frk It 03-30-2013 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 62773565)
Interesting Fact: If Howard gets $5M per year, he'll join Kari Lehtonen as the only other goalie making $5M+ who has never been nominated for the Vezina or won a Stanley Cup.

Another reason why goalies aren't worth 5+ million dollar contracts

BeersHockey 03-30-2013 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 62742681)
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...d=nhl:topheads


1. Lundqvist
2. Rinne
3. Quick
4. Price
5. Anderson
6. Brodeur
7. Miller
8. Fleury

--------
9. Luongo
9. Smith
11. Rask
11. Lehtonen
13. Niemi
13. Crawford

15. Howard
16. Fasth

Thought this was relevant considering Howard is up for a new contract. It doesn't carry much weight considering the voting was done by writers/TV personalities (and because anyone who knows **** about hockey knows that Phoenix goalies are a product of their system), but still.

For those curious, the 15th highest paid goaltender in the NHL makes $4M (but its also Cory Schneider who is not on the list). The cheapest goaltender on here (excluding current free agents and goalies who signed their current contract as a RFA) is Craig Anderson at $3.1M.

Wow. None of the bolded are better than Howard. Honestly, at this point I don't really think Broduer is better than Howard either.

Crymson 03-30-2013 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 62773565)
Interesting Fact: If Howard gets $5M per year, he'll join Kari Lehtonen as the only other goalie making $5M+ who has never been nominated for the Vezina or won a Stanley Cup.

As if this matters. Backstrom and Miller have each had one exceptional season. Niemi wasn't at all spectacular in his run to the Cup. And it would be silly to say that Bryzgalov won a Cup. He started only four games in those playoffs. And you're forgetting Carey Price anyway.

More, Howard, with his .924 save percentage and 37 wins despite playing behind an injury-riddled team, fully deserved to be in Vezina contention in 2010. Instead, Brodeur (.916) inexplicably ended up there instead. Lundquist, Rask, Anderson, and Nabokov ended up in front of him also. This made no sense, and was most likely because of two factors: 1) He was a rookie; and 2) Nicklas Lidstrom. It was ridiculous, either way.

obey86 03-30-2013 07:15 PM

Pekka Rinne is overrated as an "elite" goalie.

Career:

Rinne: 2.35 GAA, .920 S%
Howard: 2.40 GAA, .917 S%

And the whole Lidstrom made Howard look good argument doesn't hold any water in his comparison because Rinne has spent most of his career playing in a defensive oriented system with two top 5-10 D-men in front of him.

Frk It 03-30-2013 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by obey86 (Post 62804041)
Pekka Rinne is overrated as an "elite" goalie.

Career:

Rinne: 2.35 GAA, .920 S%
Howard: 2.40 GAA, .917 S%

And the whole Lidstrom made Howard look good argument doesn't hold any water in his comparison because Rinne has spent most of his career playing in a defensive oriented system with two top 5-10 D-men in front of him.

and Martin Brodeur's career save percentage is .913%

Stats aren't everything. Rinne is a better goalie than Howard. It's pretty obvious when you watch them play.

That's not a knock against Jimmy, I actually think he's very good.

obey86 03-30-2013 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frk It (Post 62805201)
and Martin Brodeur's career save percentage is .913%

Stats aren't everything. Rinne is a better goalie than Howard. It's pretty obvious when you watch them play.

That's not a knock against Jimmy, I actually think he's very good.

And I know it's blasphemy, but I would argue that Brodeur has been overrated in his career as well. His main value comes from his unprecedented longevity and great career playoff performance rather than his peak abilities.

I know stats aren't everything. But people say Jimmy has been sheltered by playing behind Lidstrom which is why his stats are good. Why doesn't that hold true for Rinne in regards to Suter/Weber over the years?

I guess my question is, if Rinne is "elite" and Howard is just above average (according to most)...why have Rinne's abilities, playing in a defensive system that limits quality shots, and playing with 2 top 10 D-men not led to better goalie performance (stat wise)?


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