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detredWINgs 03-30-2013 01:33 PM

Next Contracts for Kindl and Smith
 
I see a lot of people posting hypothetical rosters lately that include Kindl and Smith each signing for around $1.5M, and I'm not sure I buy that. In Smith's case, its possible. He'll be a UFA in 3 years, so $1.5M per year for the next 2 years allows the Wings to reevaluate him while he's still a RFA. On the other hand, I can't see Kindl signing for $1.5M, unless it were a 1 year deal, which would be utterly stupid on Holland's part given that Kindl is a UFA next season and has had a solid season since becoming a regular.

I also think signing Kindl to a short-term deal is against Holland's MO.


Filppula: As a 24 year old coming off a 36 point season, he got a 5 year, $3M deal under a $56.7M cap.
Kronwall: As a 26 year old coming off a 22 point season (over 68 games played), he received a 5 year, $3M deal under a $56.8M cap.
Abdelkader: As a 25 year old, with a 15-20 point history over 3 years, 1.8 over 4 years.


These guys are in slightly different situations:
Ericsson: As a 27 year old and 2nd year player (which, as you may recall, was comprised of a horrific season followed by, at best, a mediocre season for a 5/6 defenseman) got $3.25M over 3 years. Of course, he was an unrestricted free agent.
Helm: As a 25 year old, $2.1M over 4 years. This signing IMO is relevant due to its length and Helm's age, but Helm was easily already worth $2.1M when he signed this deal.


I think a more reasonable estimate for Kindl is something like 2.25-2.5 over 3 years or 2.75-3M over 4 years.

Thoughts?

jroc86 03-30-2013 01:39 PM

Smiths underachieving might be a blessing in disguise ... but Kindl has risen to the occasion and will command a pretty heft raise next year.

Flowah 03-30-2013 01:39 PM

Anything 2.75 and under is fine with me. He still needs some work on the defensive side but his offensive side is more than obvious. If 3 is what Kronwall got then anything around there (a little less hopefully but the cap did go up so....) is pretty OK I think.

Frk It 03-30-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 62771437)
I think a more reasonable estimate for Kindl is something like 2.25-2.5 over 3 years or 2.75-3M over 4 years.

Thoughts?

I think Kindl will get something like this, and that contract will end up looking good as he matures. Similar to Ericsson and Filppula with the contrcts they got.

With Smith I don't really know. Hard for him to ask for a ton since the points haven't been there this year. But he does still have potential.

Maybe like 4 yrs/10 mil for Smith? or 3yrs/7million?

kuick 03-30-2013 04:00 PM

I wonder if Smith would want a 1-2 year just to show what he's worth in an 82 game season of being healthy, then aim for a payday.

I'd hate to pay him on potential alone, but if it's on a long enough term it could benefit us greatly if/when it pays off.

detredWINgs 03-30-2013 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuick (Post 62785359)
I wonder if Smith would want a 1-2 year just to show what he's worth in an 82 game season of being healthy, then aim for a payday.

I'd hate to pay him on potential alone, but if it's on a long enough term it could benefit us greatly if/when it pays off.

Like I said, Smith has 3 years before becoming a UFA. I think Holland will give him a 2 year deal. He's too unproven for a long-term deal.

Fugu 03-30-2013 05:49 PM

Holland is going to try to sign Smith longterm, which would be 5 yrs or thereabouts-- if he and Smitty's agent can actually agree on what those years after the next 1-2 might be worth. No way would Holland prefer to go 2 yrs, have him blossom and then pay a hefty amount that soon.

WingedWheel1987 03-30-2013 05:53 PM

3-4 year deals where you overpay in the short term, but hopefully you are rewarded on the back end.

Townsend Beasley 03-30-2013 05:56 PM

Fire holland! :-)


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