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Jack Bourdain 03-30-2013 06:31 PM

Michael Ryder Thread: The "Erik Who?" edition
 
Re-sign him.

AntonCH 03-30-2013 06:36 PM

NO
Unless you want Ryder to be Cole 2.0

Last year many were in love with Cole, this year he's a bum

Need you be reminded that Ryder 1.0 ended with pressbox paper airplanes?

HabsSlappy 03-30-2013 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntonCH (Post 62799717)
NO
Unless you want Ryder to be Cole 2.0

Last year many were in love with Cole, this year he's a bum

Need you be reminded that Ryder 1.0 ended with pressbox paper airplanes?

Don't compare Ryder before with Ryder now. He has proven that he is a legislate goal scorer while away from the Habs and he continues here and now.

AntonCH 03-30-2013 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HabsSlappy (Post 62800423)
Don't compare Ryder before with Ryder now. He has proven that he is a legislate goal scorer while away from the Habs and he continues here and now.

Yes
He's a goal scorer
Unfortunately, he doesn't quite fit the profile of this team.
It seems that Bergevin is building on size and speed.
If you want to sign Ryder you're taking a roster spot away from a young one or he becomes the replacement for that off-season FA that fans want Bergevin to go for.
So, whats your choice?

Jack Bourdain 03-30-2013 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntonCH (Post 62800917)
Yes
He's a goal scorer
Unfortunately, he doesn't quite fit the profile of this team.
It seems that Bergevin is building on size and speed.
If you want to sign Ryder you're taking a roster spot away from a young one or he becomes the replacement for that off-season FA that fans want Bergevin to go for.
So, whats your choice?

He's been able to keep up so far. He's actually more consistent than Pacioretty at this point. Would you say Pacioretty doesn't fit our team's profile?

AntonCH 03-30-2013 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Bourdain (Post 62801709)
He's been able to keep up so far. He's actually more consistent than Pacioretty at this point. Would you say Pacioretty doesn't fit our team's profile?

I only question how long he will be able to sustain this level of play

Also, like it or not, if there was a Ryder 1.0, Ryder could always regress to that. IMHO i'd give him a 1 -2 yr deal or it would be a pass.

Em Ancien 03-30-2013 06:57 PM

Can't really afford to lose a guy that's good for 2-3 clear scoring opportunities per game. His production is just another argument in favor of putting ink on the paper.

Gary320 03-30-2013 06:59 PM

I'm more impressed with the backchecking he's been doing this year. I really didn't expect to see a more aggressive Ryder without the puck. Not what I'm use to from his old Montreal days and Boston days.

When it comes to signing him, it really depends what is the price.. but with more and more UFA's signing.. Unless Montreal does a trade for a top 6 forward, I think he's a Hab next year.

Marc the Habs Fan 03-30-2013 07:00 PM

2 year deal max.

He seems to be getting better with age. He was really good last year too.

donghabs98 03-30-2013 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan (Post 62802555)
2 year deal max.

He seems to be getting better with age. He was really good last year too.

Agreed. I wouldn't commit long term like 3-4 years on him. 2 years gives flexibility because lets just say he slows down in year 2 we could just let him go or try and trade him as a rental

HabsSlappy 03-30-2013 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntonCH (Post 62801983)
I only question how long he will be able to sustain this level of play

Also, like it or not, if there was a Ryder 1.0, Ryder could always regress to that. IMHO i'd give him a 1 -2 yr deal or it would be a pass.

I wouldn't sign him long term but 2 maybe 3 years. He fills a need as a pure goal scorer and he has rounded out his game to be at least serviceable in defensive situations.

I really don't understand how anyone could not want the guy? He is clutch and has do e nothing but help the Habs since being here. Probably a top 3 free agent this off season.

Even if he does regress to Ryder 1.0 as you call it, that is still a Ryder food for 20-30 goals.

Et le But 03-30-2013 07:11 PM

I'd love him back for another 2-3 years. He might not be the most complete player out there but he's more well rounded than he was the first time around, and is extremely efficient.

Madam Kadri 03-30-2013 07:13 PM

Well, he has been back-checking. So he's not uni-dimensional anymore.

Dean Ambrose 03-30-2013 07:14 PM

Ryder's been getting better each year. Won't hurt one bit to re-sign him to a three year deal. We need a sniper like him on the team.

AntonCH 03-30-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chael Sonnen (Post 62803993)
Ryder's been getting better each year. Won't hurt one bit to re-sign him to a three year deal. We need a sniper like him on the team.

You know he's 33 right?

Tyson 03-30-2013 07:22 PM

2 years 3.5 per

Lebowski 03-30-2013 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntonCH (Post 62799717)
NO
Unless you want Ryder to be Cole 2.0

Last year many were in love with Cole, this year he's a bum

Need you be reminded that Ryder 1.0 ended with pressbox paper airplanes?

I'm curious to know your line of thought here...

So because Cole was depressed by the lock-out, thought about retiring, and overall wasn't happy in Montréal anymore and didn't play the way he should have, Ryder will have the same faith if we extend him?

What kind of logic is that?

I'd take Ryder for 2 more years at anything under 4,5M with open arms. If not him in the top 6, then who?

Mike8 03-30-2013 07:27 PM

Depends on the cost. Wouldn't dish out major money for him; view him more as a great secondary scoring player.

habsfanatics 03-30-2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntonCH (Post 62799717)
NO
Unless you want Ryder to be Cole 2.0

Last year many were in love with Cole, this year he's a bum

Need you be reminded that Ryder 1.0 ended with pressbox paper airplanes?

Ryder has been doing this for years, last year was Cole's best season in his 30's. It was the anomaly here. Erik Cole is not a 30 goal scorer, I guess now, technically he is, but it was a one off, he 30 once many moons ago. Ryder scores 30 in his sleep, he's done it 6 times with 2 seasons of 25 goals or more. Him and Erik Cole aren't in the same boat.

When the trade was made I kind of half jokingly stated that Ryder would out-produce Cole 2-1, looks like it might be worse than first thought. lol

AntonCH 03-30-2013 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habsfanatics (Post 62805287)
Ryder has been doing this for years, last year was Cole's best season in his 30's. It was the anomaly here. Erik Cole is not a 30 goal scorer, I guess now, technically he is, but it was a one off, he 30 once many moons ago. Ryder scores 30 in his sleep, he's done it 6 times with 2 seasons of 25 goals or more. Him and Erik Cole aren't in the same boat.

When the trade was made I kind of half jokingly stated that Ryder would out-produce Cole 2-1, looks like it might be worse than first thought. lol

Ryder has 2x 30 goal seasons with us, and a 35 with the stars
At his age I would be leary to sign him at more than 2 years and that REALLY depends on the price. That being said we are in the midst of a youth movement and I'd rather give the spot to someone younger.
Bourque is still under contract, what do you do with him?
It's not as easy as some make it sound with the cap going down and some youth needing to be served.
For this year I couldn't be happier, not sure about moving forward

Jee 03-30-2013 07:49 PM

I still hate him.

sharks9 03-30-2013 07:56 PM

For a 3 year deal, definitely. It won't be easy to just replace his production by promoting a young player or signing another UFA.

Game 03-30-2013 08:06 PM

I'm the first to admit that I was wrong about the Cole vs Ryder trade. Initially, I was unhappy primarily because I preferred Cole's style of play instead of Ryder's. However, Ryder has truly impressed me thus far. In my opinion, he's earned the right to negotiate an extension with this team.

However, we must remember that Marc Bergevin stated that he traded Cole due to the length of his contract and for cap space reasons. Therefore, it would be difficult to envision Marc resigning him for a period of 3 years around 4 mil per season. With the cap going down, and with impending contract extensions for Subban & other young players, it will be tricky.

Still, I believe a 2 year contract at 4 mil would be a fair deal. I would find a way to make it happen. :yo:

habfaninvictoria 03-30-2013 08:10 PM

Ryder has been great here. He's PPG player here (yes it's only a 14 games) and defensively responsible.... what more do you want? He works well with Pleks and that's worth something. The Habs teams he played on were arguably the worst in our history and he still scored 30 .

habsfanatics 03-30-2013 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntonCH (Post 62808011)
Ryder has 20x 30 goal seasons with us, and a 35 with the stars
At his age I would be leary to sign him at more than 2 years and that REALLY depends on the price. That being said we are in the midst of a youth movement and I'd rather give the spot to someone younger.
Bourque is still under contract, what do you do with him?
It's not as easy as some make it sound with the cap going down and some youth needing to be served.
For this year I couldn't be happier, not sure about moving forward

>Ryder has back-back 30 goal seasons with the ch.


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