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Joey Bones 03-31-2013 11:19 AM

Who to lose
 
Rangers are in the ****hole right now and the trade deadline is blooming. Who would you get rid of?

My List
Arron Asham
Brian Boyle
Marion Gaborik (depending on value)
Taylor Pyatt
Brad Richards (depending on value)
Steve Eminger
Matt Gilroy
Anton Stralman
Martin Biron

The above list shows some players that really haven't done all that much (if any at all). Pyatt and Boyle have done absolutely squat this year and could receive some interest. Eminger has been showing defense lately, Gilroy is Gilroy, and Stralman is in a slump although I'd like to keep Stralzy. Asham is good on the 4th line so I'm 50/50. I hope they don't trade Gabbs at the deadline, but he's on the market so I had to throw his name in the hat and Richards is startng to gain some momentum, but not much. Don't really like Biron. Never have.

Killem Dafoe 03-31-2013 11:20 AM

I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I'd move Girardi for the right price. He's a great D-man and I love the guy, but I think his value right now is worth more than his recent play.

Megustaelhockey 03-31-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Killem Dafoe (Post 62850615)
I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I'd move Girardi for the right price. He's a great D-man and I love the guy, but I think his value right now is worth more than his recent play.

I'd keep Girardi and move Del Zotto. I think Del Zotto is more likely to get someone in return who can shoot and clear the front of our net.

Joey Bones 03-31-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Killem Dafoe (Post 62850615)
I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I'd move Girardi for the right price. He's a great D-man and I love the guy, but I think his value right now is worth more than his recent play.

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Originally Posted by Megustaelhockey (Post 62850725)
I'd keep Girardi and move Del Zotto. I think Del Zotto is more likely to get someone in return who can shoot and clear the front of our net.

Quite frankly, Girardi is more on the s****er than Del Zotto is. Actually, Del Zotto has been our best d-man!! I agree with KD in that Girardi could/should be moved, but obviously for the right price. What kills me with him is that he is out of position a lot in our zone!! Has anyone else noticed this when the other teams score goals?

MAYO 03-31-2013 11:29 AM

Agree, rather keep G and move MDZ!

WPGNYRFan 03-31-2013 11:33 AM

Arron Asham
Brian Boyle
Taylor Pyatt
Steve Eminger
Matt Gilroy
Anton Stralman

We've got one more year to decide on Richards, I'd really like to give him a chance to come back next year and prove that he hasn't lost it. I think he can turn it around. There's got to be some reason he went from being a player we were all extremely excited to obtain to being a player we would all like to trade for a bag of pucks. I'd like to keep Gabby one more year for pretty much the same reason, but added to that, I think if Richards turns it around, it will help Gabby to revert to form.

I don't want to move either Girardi or MDZ. Keep them both!

Killem Dafoe 03-31-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey Bones (Post 62850965)
Quite frankly, Girardi is more on the s****er than Del Zotto is. Actually, Del Zotto has been our best d-man!! I agree with KD in that Girardi could/should be moved, but obviously for the right price. What kills me with him is that he is out of position a lot in our zone!! Has anyone else noticed this when the other teams score goals?

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Originally Posted by Megustaelhockey (Post 62850725)
I'd keep Girardi and move Del Zotto. I think Del Zotto is more likely to get someone in return who can shoot and clear the front of our net.

Yeah, he's been making some really bone headed passes lately too. I also don't quite understand why he feels the need to constantly miss the net on purpose hoping for a bank off the boards or a deflection. I see doing this once in a while, but damn man, try to hit the net.

Regardless of all that, I agree, I think MDZ has been better and has potentially more upside, but I think Girardi could land us someone who could shoot and clear the front of our net just as easily as Del Zotto can. A lot of teams would love to have a guy like Girardi.

*Bob Richards* 03-31-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MAYO (Post 62850981)
Agree, rather keep G and move MDZ!

But why? He's way older and quite honestly, hasn't been nearly as good as MDZ this season.

Joey Bones 03-31-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WPGNYRFan (Post 62851195)
Arron Asham
Brian Boyle
Taylor Pyatt
Steve Eminger
Matt Gilroy
Anton Stralman

We've got one more year to decide on Richards, I'd really like to give him a chance to come back next year and prove that he hasn't lost it. I think he can turn it around. There's got to be some reason he went from being a player we were all extremely excited to obtain to being a player we would all like to trade for a bag of pucks. I'd like to keep Gabby one more year for pretty much the same reason, but added to that, I think if Richards turns it around, it will help Gabby to revert to form.

I don't want to move either Girardi or MDZ. Keep them both!

Agreed entirely! :nod:. Gabby and Richards need to start picking things up because they have done it in the past (especially Gaborik).

As for Girardi/Del Zotto. They aren't going anywhere, but its debatable.

MAYO 03-31-2013 11:38 AM

Could G's slight slump in play not also be in part to the lost of MS and the severe drop in play of McD he is are go to shut down D man and this might be wearing him down?

Green Blob* 03-31-2013 11:39 AM

Move MDZ over Girardi? No way in hell.

MDZ is still what, 22? Girardi is almost 29 years old and isnt going to get any better then he is. MDZ on the other hand is still improving.

Joey Bones 03-31-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Killem Dafoe (Post 62851237)
Yeah, he's been making some really bone headed passes lately too. I also don't quite understand why he feels the need to constantly miss the net on purpose hoping for a bank off the boards or a deflection. I see doing this once in a while, but damn man, try to hit the net.

Regardless of all that, I agree, I think MDZ has been better and has potentially more upside, but I think Girardi could land us someone who could shoot and clear the front of our net just as easily as Del Zotto can. A lot of teams would love to have a guy like Girardi.

:laugh: I remember someone calling him "shot goes wide" Girardi somewhere, but for real man!! Hit the god damn net for once!!

Joey Bones 03-31-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Green Blob (Post 62851569)
Move MDZ over Girardi? No way in hell.

MDZ is still what, 22? Girardi is almost 29 years old and isnt going to get any better then he is. MDZ on the other hand is still improving.

Agreed, but still love both on the team.

nyrpassion 03-31-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey Bones (Post 62850515)
Rangers are in the ****hole right now and the trade deadline is blooming. Who would you get rid of?

My List
Arron Asham
Brian Boyle
Marion Gaborik (depending on value)
Taylor Pyatt
Brad Richards (depending on value)
Steve Eminger
Matt Gilroy

Anton Stralman
Martin Biron

I feel the players I bolded are basically just scraps/our trash, and won't get much of a return.

We will not trade Richie, absolutly certain of that, if he retired, the cap hit will bite us in the ass.

I can see Gaborik getting traded, but it won't be anywhere near what we are valuing him as, so that's why I say let him stay.

Biron is a solid #2 for this season, who would back Hank up if we get rid of Marty next week?

Stralman, Boyle I think can still play roles on this team. But again, if the right offer comes along, letem' go.

*Bob Richards* 03-31-2013 11:42 AM

Girardi becomes a UFA after next season along with Del Zotto, Callahan, Kreider, Stralman and Hank and He will be 30.

Unless he plans on coming back for cheap, I think he is going to be the odd man out in this situation.

Joey Bones 03-31-2013 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MAYO (Post 62851529)
Could G's slight slump in play not also be in part to the lost of MS and the severe drop in play of McD he is are go to shut down D man and this might be wearing him down?

Well I don't think its from Sauer's injury, but McD is a possibility. As well as the whole Lockout situation before and could also still not be as conditioned as he used to be. Or could be burnt from playing so much. There are may routes you can take that question.

Joey Bones 03-31-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Richards (Post 62851747)
Girardi becomes a UFA after next season along with Del Zotto, Callahan, Kreider, Stralman and Hank and He will be 30.

Unless he plans on coming back for cheap, I think he is going to be the odd man out in this situation.

Sadly agree. We'd have to lock up a lot of guys for that year. :shakehead :(

eco's bones 03-31-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Killem Dafoe (Post 62850615)
I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I'd move Girardi for the right price. He's a great D-man and I love the guy, but I think his value right now is worth more than his recent play.

The problem with moving Girardi is he is by far our best right side defenseman. Beyond that having four solid guys like Staal, Girardi, McD and MDZ in front of Hank means that if we've got any decent offense in any given year we should be a pretty good team. To me those four our just core players. Good citizens as well. Anyway another thing about Girardi is he can play 25-30 minutes a night game after game with very good defensive play and a bit of offensive contribution--play physical and not be taking penalties. He's not the fastest skater but he's smart and he knows his limitations. I'd only move him if the return were really, really good.

Richards is more likely to be bought out than traded because of his contract and cap hit.

Stralman and Eminger should have some value. Vet d-men at the trade deadline usually do. Playoff teams want to stock up on them. Stralman's a better player but Eminger is more of a gamer. Hamrlik's an experienced guy as well and played well in the playoffs last year. Gilroy IMO is practically worthless.

I would think Boyle would as well--despite his crap year and the bad stats. He's huge, decent on face-off and can kill penalties and in the past he's shown some offense. Should be able to get at least a 2nd for him.

Gaborik could get us a huge return. I wouldn't trade him for peanuts. You have to decide what you think is fair and if you can't get it--you keep him. I'd want more than what the Pens paid for Iginla--and Boston might be a team willing to pay that.

Other than that I don't know if we have much to move.

Kwayry 03-31-2013 11:47 AM

Just curious, who would replace Girardi on the right side?
I am not against moving Girardi, but there should be a plan to replace him.

Joey Bones 03-31-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nyrpassion (Post 62851727)
I feel the players I bolded are basically just scraps/our trash, and won't get much of a return.

We will not trade Richie, absolutly certain of that, if he retired, the cap hit will bite us in the ass.

I can see Gaborik getting traded, but it won't be anywhere near what we are valuing him as, so that's why I say let him stay.

Biron is a solid #2 for this season, who would back Hank up if we get rid of Marty next week?
Stralman, Boyle I think can still play roles on this team. But again, if the right offer comes along, letem' go.

Well we'd have to snag a backup then. Biron will probably stay for his contract unless we can get something useful.

jas 03-31-2013 11:49 AM

Girardi for Zach Bogosian.

Joey Bones 03-31-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by eco's bones (Post 62852161)
The problem with moving Girardi is he is by far our best right side defenseman. Beyond that having four solid guys like Staal, Girardi, McD and MDZ in front of Hank means that if we've got any decent offense in any given year we should be a pretty good team. To me those four our just core players. Good citizens as well. Anyway another thing about Girardi is he can play 25-30 minutes a night game after game with very good defensive play and a bit of offensive contribution--play physical and not be taking penalties. He's not the fastest skater but he's smart and he knows his limitations. I'd only move him if the return were really, really good.

Richards is more likely to be bought out than traded because of his contract and cap hit.

Stralman and Eminger should have some value. Vet d-men at the trade deadline usually do. Playoff teams want to stock up on them. Stralman's a better player but Eminger is more of a gamer. Hamrlik's an experienced guy as well and played well in the playoffs last year. Gilroy IMO is practically worthless.

I would think Boyle would as well--despite his crap year and the bad stats. He's huge, decent on face-off and can kill penalties and in the past he's shown some offense. Should be able to get at least a 2nd for him.

Gaborik could get us a huge return. I wouldn't trade him for peanuts. You have to decide what you think is fair and if you can't get it--you keep him. I'd want more than what the Pens paid for Iginla--and Boston might be a team willing to pay that.

Other than that I don't know if we have much to move.

True I didn't think about him on the right side. Girardi isn't getting moved anyway. Agreed on Richards and on Gabby. Boyle could get us that 1st we need. I don't think we can trade Hammer since we picked him up off waivers and I agree on the other d-men.

P.S. The Pens are really going to hurt after that Iginla trade (unless they win the cup this year).

Punxrocknyc19* 03-31-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jas (Post 62852329)
Girardi for Zach Bogosian.

Rangers need a bit more back. Bogosian only has 6 pts and Girardi has 11... Girardi better 2 way defenseman.... i like Bogosian but not at the price of Girardi unless a skilled forward comes back

id love Mark Stuart though... some nastiness in front of Lundqvist is a must for this soft defense

Joey Bones 03-31-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jas (Post 62852329)
Girardi for Zach Bogosian.

Highly doubt that'll happen.

Punxrocknyc19* 03-31-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey Bones (Post 62852857)
Highly doubt that'll happen, but would do it in a second.

Rangers should get a little more... maybe Bogosian, Burmistrov, Cormier for Girardi, Skjei and Pyatt??


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