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joshjull 04-02-2013 01:10 PM

The current rebuilding process is another benefit of Pegula's ownership.
 
I've been thinking about this and it seems obvious in hindsight that Regier wasn't allowed by the previous owners to do what he is currently doing. Another benefit of Pegula I hadn't thought of until now is we are no longer under the year to year mandate to try and make the playoffs.


Golisano/Quinn were about the year to year budget. and the positive impact making the playoffs each year could have on that. The primary focus was on breaking even/making and the playoffs in that context was something they viewed as a another revenue stream. So their mindset was to always try to make the playoffs for the revenue. They also wouldn't allow Regier to take on salary at the deadline because they didn't allow deviation from the budget set before the season. So thats why we would have the bizarre deadlines with Darcy sending salary out in order to bring salary in.

But other than Campbell getting traded because we knew we couldn't re-sign him, our pending UFAs were not dealt to stockpile picks. If they were moved at all it was to free up money to add another player to the roster in a separate trade. The ultimate goal being just getting into the playoffs that particular year.

The new focus is about more than just making the playoffs but about doing some damage when we get there. As Darcy said when commenting on the Regehr trade; "We're really going to look toward building this team, not just to make it into the playoffs but go deep into the playoffs".

I know many of us understandably looked at the benefits of Pegula from the big spending side of things; aggressive attempts to sign UFAs, never having to let our top players go again because we could afford to re-sign them, eating contracts to facilitate trades and the ability to offer huge front loaded deals which helps with the first two things I mentioned.

The current ownership focus is looking at the long game and building a winner as opposed to a more narrowly focused year to year approach.

Darcy may or may not be the right man for the job. But he will certainly be allowed to do what he thinks needs to be done for the betterment of the team long term. Instead of a narrow year to year budgetary focus.

Old Navy Goat 04-02-2013 01:45 PM

I agree, under TG and LQ it was all about making the playoffs. Any trade besides being a dollar for dollar affair was simply designed to provide enough of a boost to make the playoffs so players weren't moved out for potential.

The Real 04-02-2013 02:00 PM

Good post. I do have to wonder though if he and Ted Black regret the whole 3 year win a cup thing.

Old Navy Goat 04-02-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Real (Post 63037121)
Good post. I do have to wonder though if he and Ted Black regret the whole 3 year win a cup thing.

I think they honestly thought the team was closer than it was. They were division champs and had made the playoffs 2 years in a row before he bought the team. I think he believed that an influx of cash to get the proper pieces and some flexibility for Darcy would have pushed them over the top.

Daz28 04-02-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Navy Goat (Post 63035627)
I agree, under TG and LQ it was all about making the playoffs. Any trade besides being a dollar for dollar affair was simply designed to provide enough of a boost to make the playoffs so players weren't moved out for potential.

It seems we're collecting the draft picks now, as opposed to wasting them on what usually amounted to weak rentals in the past. Darcy also seems to be able to parley them into decent prospects at the draft, too.

Ghost of Dale Hunter 04-02-2013 11:46 PM

Well said.

Beerz 04-02-2013 11:53 PM

I think they've come to the conclusion...that... Pegula bucks came too late to help in terms of signing UFA's... for two reasons...

1) The new CBA hurts the front loading of contracts.

and

2) Big game changers are not hitting FA anymore (outside of 1 or 2 a year)..and this will likely continue.

I mean we were all clamoring for Brad Richards ... and I for one..am glad we missed out... (except it brought about the Leino contract.)

msm29 04-03-2013 12:05 AM

Very much so. Essentially, this season is giving Pegula the chance to rebuild the way he should've when he first bought the team. OK, so throwing money around doesn't win cups? Well, now we know that.

Now, hopefully, he can get the roster in a spot where we can be a contender for years.

Prospector74 04-03-2013 12:31 AM

Excellent post! Best read today by far. Thanks.:handclap:

Luceni 04-03-2013 12:36 AM

It was a nice read and to get rid of Leopold/Regehr for futures was a good start.

I hope the house-cleaning continues. Next step is pominville, stafford and miller.

RazielMoshman 04-03-2013 04:05 AM

Just to not forget - Golisano also saved this team. Worth mentioning, thats all. Now we are on our feet we outgrew that ownership and got very lucky with Pegula.

HockeyHeaven8248 04-03-2013 08:02 AM

I miss Playoff hockey...

Der Jaeger 04-03-2013 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Navy Goat (Post 63037499)
I think they honestly thought the team was closer than it was. They were division champs and had made the playoffs 2 years in a row before he bought the team. I think he believed that an influx of cash to get the proper pieces and some flexibility for Darcy would have pushed them over the top.

Plenty of folks rated the Sabres far higher than their performance over the past 2-3 years. Remember the LA Kings - Sabres Cup predictions? It's not like Pegula and Co. saw something that no one else did. They saw a team, that on paper, was talented enough to compete. And to a certain degree, it was. Had the Sabres gotten into the playoffs last year, with the way they were playing, who knows what would have happened?

But the team chemistry is all wrong. Good that Regier sees that. Better is adjust expectations than ignore reality. Plenty of great achievements happened after failure and learning from the fall.

slip 04-03-2013 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Navy Goat (Post 63037499)
I think they honestly thought the team was closer than it was. They were division champs and had made the playoffs 2 years in a row before he bought the team. I think he believed that an influx of cash to get the proper pieces and some flexibility for Darcy would have pushed them over the top.

Well said.

Ruckus007 04-03-2013 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshjull (Post 63031887)
I've been thinking about this and it seems obvious in hindsight that Regier wasn't allowed by the previous owners to do what he is currently doing. Another benefit of Pegula I hadn't thought of until now is we are no longer under the year to year mandate to try and make the playoffs.


Golisano/Quinn were about the year to year budget. and the positive impact making the playoffs each year could have on that. The primary focus was on breaking even/making and the playoffs in that context was something they viewed as a another revenue stream. So their mindset was to always try to make the playoffs for the revenue. They also wouldn't allow Regier to take on salary at the deadline because they didn't allow deviation from the budget set before the season. So thats why we would have the bizarre deadlines with Darcy sending salary out in order to bring salary in.

But other than Campbell getting traded because we knew we couldn't re-sign him, our pending UFAs were not dealt to stockpile picks. If they were moved at all it was to free up money to add another player to the roster in a separate trade. The ultimate goal being just getting into the playoffs that particular year.

The new focus is about more than just making the playoffs but about doing some damage when we get there. As Darcy said when commenting on the Regehr trade; "We're really going to look toward building this team, not just to make it into the playoffs but go deep into the playoffs".

I know many of us understandably looked at the benefits of Pegula from the big spending side of things; aggressive attempts to sign UFAs, never having to let our top players go again because we could afford to re-sign them, eating contracts to facilitate trades and the ability to offer huge front loaded deals which helps with the first two things I mentioned.

The current ownership focus is looking at the long game and building a winner as opposed to a more narrowly focused year to year approach.

Darcy may or may not be the right man for the job. But he will certainly be allowed to do what he thinks needs to be done for the betterment of the team long term. Instead of a narrow year to year budgetary focus.

Right now, the bitter emotional part of me is waiting to see any benefit of the Pegula ownership.

Good, well thought-out post though. Obviously the important decision will be who is in charge of this rebuilding effort, and what plan that person has for it.

Tapu Fino 04-03-2013 04:47 PM

#Sabres Darcy Regier: "The preference is to build for a Stanley Cup versus a playoff run."


Darcy pretty much proves with one line that JJ is right here.

Moskau 04-03-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afino (Post 63201093)
#Sabres Darcy Regier: "The preference is to build for a Stanley Cup versus a playoff run."


Darcy pretty much proves with one line that JJ is right here.

It's also the rebuild we've been talking about all season.

Listening to Regier's comments today I got the impression that they really, really, really want MacKinnon, Jones or Drouin. And that the lottery portion of the 2014 and 2015 drafts may be in their game plan as well. Ted Black is no stranger to what drafting players like MacKinnon and McDavid can do to a franchise.

ogoaltrop 04-03-2013 04:56 PM

Who are the teachers in this organization of this young talent coming in ?

Jame 04-03-2013 05:00 PM

it's amazing how seamlessly you just moved from viewing this direction as "intentionally losing" to "the benefits of Pegula"

Ron C. 04-03-2013 05:02 PM

I will gladly take 1-2 years of re-building if it means a 4-5 year run at the cup. Outside of Detroit (with 3-4 HOF'ers), no team has won the cup in the past decade without 2 or more top 4 picks in the draft. And yes, I do have season tickets (since 1987) and am willing to wait for results.

Sabre Dance 04-03-2013 05:15 PM

Christian Ehrhoff chose Buffalo over the Islanders because we were closer.

oops!

Selanne00008 04-03-2013 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SabresAreScaryGood (Post 63203997)
Christian Ehrhoff chose Buffalo over the Islanders because we were closer.

oops!

Made me lol. And here moving to a fresh n fun Barclays just outside manhattan.


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