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JayRosehillforMVP 04-02-2013 03:14 PM

Gardiner and 2013 1st for Flyers 2013 1st+?
 
This is assuming Flyers first is a top 5 pick. Just an idea. I'd definitely be willing to add a bit, just wondering what could make this fair value.

Hurt 04-02-2013 03:15 PM

Gardiner isn't moving unless a similar-aged forward with high potential is coming back.

Roboholic 04-02-2013 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyers7 (Post 63044737)
This is assuming Flyers first is a top 5 pick. Just an idea. I'd definitely be willing to add a bit, just wondering what could make this fair value.

Why would the Flyers want to do this?

Prongo 04-02-2013 03:16 PM

No, the talent at that spot have greater value than Gardiner. Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, even Nurse some may argue. Gardiner has concussion issues as well, Philly never does well with them.

JayRosehillforMVP 04-02-2013 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurt (Post 63044807)
Gardiner isn't moving unless a similar-aged forward with high potential is coming back.

Hence the Flyers 1st. Unless you mean early 20s.

Sterling31 04-02-2013 03:17 PM

Couts + 2nd + 4th
for
Gards + 1st


Is the likely value; however, I would rather keep Jake and see what happens.

JayRosehillforMVP 04-02-2013 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roboholic (Post 63044833)
Why would the Flyers want to do this?

D is looking pretty bad for the future. I'd rather have two potential #2 defenseman than another forward, seeing as we already have plenty of them.
Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920 (Post 63045035)
Couts + 2nd + 4th
for
Gards + 1st


Is the likely value; however, I would rather keep Jake and see what happens.

I like this deal. Definitely interested in that.

htpwn 04-02-2013 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prongo (Post 63044923)
No, the talent at that spot have greater value than Gardiner. Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, even Nurse some may argue. Gardiner has concussion issues as well, Philly never does well with them.

He's had one relatively minor concussion.

If that is the criteria, then nearly every single NHL player has "concussion issues."

GordieHoweHatTrick 04-02-2013 03:25 PM

I think we can agree that a Gardiner/Couturier swap can be worked out between the two clubs

legendinblue 04-02-2013 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prongo (Post 63044923)
No, the talent at that spot have greater value than Gardiner. Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, even Nurse some may argue. Gardiner has concussion issues as well, Philly never does well with them.

What issues? :laugh:

Michael Gary Scott 04-02-2013 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920 (Post 63045035)
Couts + 2nd + 4th
for
Gards + 1st


Is the likely value; however, I would rather keep Jake and see what happens.

I'm good with that

orange is better 04-02-2013 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920 (Post 63045035)
Couts + 2nd + 4th
for
Gards + 1st


Is the likely value; however, I would rather keep Jake and see what happens.

This could actually be a good deal for both sides. However, I don't know much about gardiners injury history; the concussion factor mentioned earlier scares me a bit. Was it just a minor one? If that's the case then it probably isn't a significant issue.

MoreMogilny 04-02-2013 03:28 PM

Only if Couturier is coming back in some sort of deal.

Leafs87 04-02-2013 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyers7 (Post 63045471)
D is looking pretty bad for the future. I'd rather have two potential #2 defenseman than another forward, seeing as we already have plenty of them.

I like this deal. Definitely interested in that.

A trade between, Gardiner and Couturier agreed apon by at least one leafs and one flyers fan

:handclap: :amazed:

Man Bear Pig 04-02-2013 03:30 PM

Guy has one concussion and he's got the label. Not that I'm picking on one guy, this seems to be something widespread among other fanbases which is obviously something used as an excuse to stay away. Am I right?

Smif 04-02-2013 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange is better (Post 63046205)
This could actually be a good deal for both sides. However, I don't know much about gardiners injury history; the concussion factor mentioned earlier scares me a bit. Was it just a minor one? If that's the case then it probably isn't a significant issue.

Everyone gets a concussion from the hit he took. There's no history there.

Rob Brown 04-02-2013 03:32 PM

Concussion issues? :laugh:

And wasn't Couts sidelined a bit for the same reason? (maybe not as long)

Curufinwe 04-02-2013 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htpwn (Post 63045807)
He's had one relatively minor concussion.

If that is the criteria, then nearly every single NHL player has "concussion issues."

Including a bunch of current Flyers, but we don't want to trade for any new ones.

SoulAssassin 04-02-2013 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920 (Post 63045035)
Couts + 2nd + 4th
for
Gards + 1st


Is the likely value; however, I would rather keep Jake and see what happens.

If Philly and the Leafs made this deal, would a deal near Draft Day work with the Kings?

Bernier + A.Martinez

for

Read + 1st (TOR)

Leafs get a guy in Couts whose a long term piece, plus some picks.

LA get Read top help solidify their top 6 plus back into the first round this year.

Philly gets Gardiner + Martinez who help shore up their back end, plus Bernier whose looking like a guy ready for a #1 spot

david999 04-02-2013 03:37 PM

Why would Toronto do the op original deal? Gardner has already proved he can play in the NHL at a good level. We do not know where Philly picks, or if that prospect will ever play in the NHL. As for Couts, he is WAY overrated on the boards.

orange is better 04-02-2013 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smif (Post 63046431)
Everyone gets a concussion from the hit he took. There's no history there.

I think this deal could probably benefit both teams then.

Leafs get a potential #1 2-way c with playmaking ability, and the flyers get a potential top pairing defenseman as well as another 1st to add to our "we're not rebuilding" rebuilding core. Laughton can replace Couturier as the 3rd line C next year, and Reilly can take Gardiners place on the leafs backend.

Penalty Kill Icing* 04-02-2013 03:39 PM

Nonis said he isn't trading players for picks.

Eyedea 04-02-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange is better (Post 63046205)
This could actually be a good deal for both sides. However, I don't know much about gardiners injury history; the concussion factor mentioned earlier scares me a bit. Was it just a minor one? If that's the case then it probably isn't a significant issue.

It wasn't a high grade concussion, but it comes with risk like any other injury. Next season I'm sure he'll be back to his 20 minute, smooth skating, crisp outlet passing, deceptive shooting ways.

I say next season only because he seems to have been put into Carlyle's doghouse for his questionable(?) decision making thus far.

orange is better 04-02-2013 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulAssassin (Post 63047005)
If Philly and the Leafs made this deal, would a deal near Draft Day work with the Kings?

Bernier + A.Martinez

for

Read + 1st (TOR)

Leafs get a guy in Couts whose a long term piece, plus some picks.

LA get Read top help solidify their top 6 plus back into the first round this year.

Philly gets Gardiner + Martinez who help shore up their back end, plus Bernier whose looking like a guy ready for a #1 spot

I think they'd rather use the 2nd first (tor) to pick a winger. A guy like anthony mantha perhaps if he falls to us there.

I'm still not sold on Bernier, and we have a young goaltender in Stolarz who really looks like he can develop I to something special.

orange is better 04-02-2013 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Brown (Post 63046589)
Concussion issues? :laugh:

And wasn't Couts sidelined a bit for the same reason? (maybe not as long)

Yes, Couts sat for a few games last season with a minor concussion after taking a slap shot off the back of his helmet, which is why I asked about the severity of gardiners concussion. With Couts it is a non-factor, which evidently is the same case with Gardiner.


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