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boredmale 04-05-2013 12:23 PM

Who does CBC pick Second for the Playoffs?
 
I think it's a given Toronto is #1 but which series do you think will get picked second by the CBC

1. Crosby(err I mean Pittsburgh)
2. Montreal
3. Ottawa
3. Vancouver

danishh 04-05-2013 12:25 PM

pittsburgh wont be picked first if they're not facing a canadian team.

CBC's priority order is something like:

Toronto
Vancouver
Ottawa
Montreal (due to the RDS split)
Edmonton/Calgary
Winnipeg
Pittsburgh/Boston
Detroit
all other american teams

boredmale 04-05-2013 12:30 PM

I am guessing they have no choice but Vancouver as well. If they don't pick Vancouver TSN will scoop it up(knowing they can show Vancouver games without much competition)

Quote:

Originally Posted by danishh (Post 63363023)
pittsburgh wont be picked first if they're not facing a canadian team.

Rangers Pittsburgh might be a tough choice not to give up. Another potential series that I could see CBC having to give up would be Montreal-Ottawa(4th/5th)

I am guessing Montreal/Ottawa is the worst possible matchup from there POV because it means they lose 1 potential series they would pick 4th

Nuckles 04-05-2013 12:36 PM

I think it'll be Vancouver just based on time zones.
Canucks games usually always start around 7pm PT/10pm ET, so they can show it after the Leafs games.

McDeepika 04-05-2013 12:44 PM

Vancouver for sure.

habs03 04-05-2013 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danishh (Post 63363023)
pittsburgh wont be picked first if they're not facing a canadian team.

CBC's priority order is something like:

Toronto
Vancouver
Ottawa
Montreal (due to the RDS split)
Edmonton/Calgary
Winnipeg
Pittsburgh/Boston
Detroit
all other american teams

Doubt they pick the Sens over the Habs unless the Sens are playing the Pens, Mtl even with RDS would provide a bigger audience than Ottawa.

Tacos 04-05-2013 01:46 PM

CBC doesn't advocate for the Habs unless all other Canadian teams are gone as are the Pens, Bruins and any team having a "Cinderella Run"

Khris Creider 04-05-2013 02:09 PM

Vancouver

Weakside Lock 04-05-2013 02:55 PM

The Canadian factor (Ott-'08, Ott-'10, Mon-'10) is the main reason reason the Pens got exposure in the early rounds. Crosby might have something to do with it as well.

Vancouver seems like the most probable choice after Toronto.

Joey McMoss 04-05-2013 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danishh (Post 63363023)
pittsburgh wont be picked first if they're not facing a canadian team.

CBC's priority order is something like:

Toronto
Vancouver
Ottawa
Montreal (due to the RDS split)
Edmonton/Calgary
Winnipeg
Pittsburgh/Boston
Detroit
all other american teams

Pretty sure the Sens would be last of the Canadian teams, or ahead of Winnipeg.. Based on time zone and more people want to watch Toronto or Montreal.

FakeKidPoker* 04-05-2013 03:59 PM

It is always Toronto/Vancouver

The prime time early game and the prime time late game.

danishh 04-05-2013 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habs03 (Post 63365225)
Doubt they pick the Sens over the Habs unless the Sens are playing the Pens, Mtl even with RDS would provide a bigger audience than Ottawa.

we went over this a month ago. The RDS split simply isnt worth giving up a primetime canadian team. Montreal still is above the prairie teams, but ottawa beats them in CBC's eyes based on a majority anglophone audience.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Moss (Post 63370495)
Pretty sure the Sens would be last of the Canadian teams, or ahead of Winnipeg.. Based on time zone and more people want to watch Toronto or Montreal.

1. EDT/EST teams are worth more than western teams in terms of ratings.
2. Vancouver beats that by consequence of a massive fanbase.
3. Montreal is the least attractive EDT/EST due to the RDS split.

boredmale 04-05-2013 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danishh (Post 63373673)
we went over this a month ago. The RDS split simply isnt worth giving up a primetime canadian team. Montreal still is above the prairie teams, but ottawa beats them in CBC's eyes based on a majority anglophone audience.

I live in Thunder Bay, Ontario(and we get Senator games via Sportsnet) I don't know one Senators fan. As for Montreal behind Toronto they have the biggest fanbase(I know a few people who watch Habs games on RDS who don't speak one lick of french)

In terms of teams that would have a higher interest then Ottawa here

Toronto
Montreal
Boston
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Edmonton
Vancouver
Detroit
Philadelphia
Carolina(Staals)

for sure and I probably could find 5-6 other teams that would rate higher then the Sens

NyQuil 04-05-2013 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boredmale (Post 63373801)
I live in Thunder Bay, Ontario(and we get Senator games via Sportsnet) I don't know one Senators fan.

Sounds like an opportunity to be a trail blazer!

Quote:

Originally Posted by boredmale
for sure and I probably could find 5-6 other teams that would rate higher than the Sens

And those are Bantam teams!

*ba-doom* *cymbal*

I'll be here all week.

danishh 04-05-2013 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boredmale (Post 63373801)
Quote:

Originally Posted by boredmale (Post 63373801)
I live in Thunder Bay, Ontario(and we get Senator games via Sportsnet) I don't know one Senators fan. As for Montreal behind Toronto they have the biggest fanbase(I know a few people who watch Habs games on RDS who don't speak one lick of french)

In terms of teams that would have a higher interest then Ottawa here

Toronto
Montreal
Boston
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Edmonton
Vancouver
Detroit
Philadelphia
Carolina(Staals)

for sure and I probably could find 5-6 other teams that would rate higher then the Sens


cool.

thunder bay is transitioning into a wpg/tor split (right now all three teams are shown on SNET-O, SNET-E, and TNS-JETS). No one expects TB to be sens-territory long-term.

I dont want to insult you or anything, but no one gives a **** about thunder bay. CBC network execs look at nationwide ratings. Eastern teams, in general, do better than western teams, and ottawa, in general, does better than montreal due to the RDS split. If montreal is playing pittsburgh or boston, fine, CBC will pick them over ottawa, but the list i posted is accurate and anyone who disagrees is, quite frankly, really ignorant.

ottawa's real territory is ontario east of the kawarthas plus quebec and the maritimes. That territory is shared with the habs. As i've said numerous times before, for a franchise stuck smack in the middle of the two greatest fanbases in the NHL, ottawa's doing fine at the 20 year mark. (just look at vancouver 20-years ago, when the city was majority leafs fans, for comparison).

Bob Cole 04-05-2013 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danishh (Post 63373673)
we went over this a month ago. The RDS split simply isnt worth giving up a primetime canadian team. Montreal still is above the prairie teams, but ottawa beats them in CBC's eyes based on a majority anglophone audience.

I doubt that is true. Do you have any number to back this claim?

NyQuil 04-05-2013 04:12 PM

I think Montreal has a larger national anglophone audience than Ottawa as well, for what it's worth.

Given time zones and our proximity to Toronto and Montreal (as playoff teams), it wouldn't surprise me if we were the least desirable Canadian team for CBC.

HH 04-05-2013 04:18 PM

Considering Montréal's anglophone only community is over 760 000 people, you add lots of Atlantic fans and Ontario West region fans. That alone should be bigger than Ottawa.

I believe CBC regretted the decision of choosing Ottawa over Montréal in the first round of 2010.

To answer the ops question, Vancouver will get second because their viewers aren't split with a local francophone channel.

If Habs, Leafs, Sens and Canucks make the playoffs, the order will be this.

CBC - Toronto
CBC - Vancouver
TSN - Montreal
CBC - Ottawa

If the Jets make the playoffs, I think they might pick them before Ottawa, leaving Ottawa to TSN. However if all 4 Canadian teams in the east make the playoffs, the odds of an all Canadian match up is high. That all Canadian match up becomes 2nd, leaving Vancouver with TSN.

boredmale 04-05-2013 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danishh (Post 63373945)
thunder bay is transitioning into a wpg/tor split (right now all three teams are shown on SNET-O, SNET-E, and TNS-JETS). No one expects TB to be sens-territory long-term.

I think we should be Minnesota territory since they the closest city to us and I don't have a stake in the game for any of the 3 teams(infact I wish we would get out of Leafs territory just so we wouldn't have Leafs games every Saturday night and I can't watch my Islanders when they on Leafs TV although I bought Center Ice). lol

In all reality we should be taken out of any territories and be shown anygame on Sportsnet feeds since we close to nobody and don't infringe on anyteams "area"

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryHabs (Post 63374291)
I believe CBC regretted the decision of choosing Ottawa over Montréal in the first round of 2010.

Of coarse they did, they didn't expect Montreal to go 7 games(compared to 5 games for Ottawa). Now all things being equal(ie games played they would have picked Crosby)

danishh 04-05-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boredmale (Post 63374309)
I think we should be Minnesota territory since they the closest city to us and I don't have a stake in the game for any of the 3 teams(infact I wish we would get out of Leafs territory just so we wouldn't have Leafs games every Saturday night and I can't watch my Islanders when they on Leafs TV although I bought Center Ice). lol



Of coarse they did, they didn't expect Montreal to go 7 games(compared to 5 games for Ottawa). Now all things being equal(ie games played they would have picked Crosby)

ottawa went to six games against the penguins, who have a massive fanbase in quebec-east. Total CBC viewership in the sens series beat the habs series.

CBC made the right decision.

again, we went over this a month ago. The numbers are out there if you want to search for them.

HH 04-05-2013 04:24 PM

CBC's dream would be this.

Montreal - Toronto as first pick
Vancouver second pick.

HH 04-05-2013 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danishh (Post 63374521)
ottawa went to six games against the penguins, who have a massive fanbase in quebec-east. Total CBC viewership in the sens series beat the habs series.

CBC made the right decision.

again, we went over this a month ago. The numbers are out there if you want to search for them.

You're the one making the point, you should be posting the number. I am not doubting the claim but don't make an argument and ask us to look for proof.

danishh 04-05-2013 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryHabs (Post 63374541)
CBC's dream would be this.

Montreal - Toronto as first pick
Vancouver second pick.

absolutely.

montreal-toronto is their ideal EST/EDT matchup.

NyQuil 04-05-2013 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryHabs (Post 63374583)
You're the one making the point, you should be posting the number. I am not doubting the claim but don't make an argument and ask us to look for proof.


danishh 04-05-2013 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryHabs (Post 63374583)
You're the one making the point, you should be posting the number. I am not doubting the claim but don't make an argument and ask us to look for proof.

i dont need to post the number if i dont feel like it. I'm right. I did it a month ago when habs fans had this exact same argument with me. I have better things to do than this right now.

This isnt an insult to the habs in any way. The sens are a small-market team, i recognize that. The only teams with comparable fanbases in canada are the alberta teams and the jets, and i recognize that too. The simple fact is that RDS taking ~1/3 of all MTL viewership makes them less valuable to an english TV network than ottawa. The numbers back this up. If you disagree with me, show me your evidence, otherwise **** off.


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