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Top 6 Spaling 04-09-2013 10:07 PM

What's keeping Rinne from demanding a trade?
 
What is stopping Pekka from demanding a trade? He has watched Suter, Weber (possibly), and Erat all try to leave. We are consistently getting throttled, giving him no scoring support, and our defense is hardly stellar. Money isn't an issue, since he's getting his 7x7 deal wherever he goes. There would be a market for him, to say the least.

Mitch Korn is certainly a draw here, but if I'm Pekka, I don't know why I'm not headed for a big market to play behind a good team (Philly, Toronto, Detroit if Howard goes UFA, etc.)

I am beyond thrilled that he is, since we would be the single worst team in the league without him, but why is he staying? Team loyalty for giving him a shot? Mitch Korn? Why?

triggrman 04-09-2013 10:09 PM

lol. Running out of drama so now we have to invent some?

kypredsfan 04-09-2013 10:11 PM

He is a true Pred. He signed on long term even knowing Suter/Weber may or may not be here. He's classy.

Nashville Transplant 04-09-2013 10:16 PM

those 1-0 losses become 5 and 6-0 slaughters without Rinne... actually, that might be the best thing that could happen to this team. Stop making it LOOK like they're in these games because they're not. Statistically, they are, but the way this team passes (doesn't pass) the puck and takes the body (doesn't take the body,) it's toast as soon as Rinne gives one up. (and the one he gave up tonight... Mr. Softee.)

Top 6 Spaling 04-09-2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by triggrman (Post 63665945)
lol. Running out of drama so now we have to invent some?

No, I'm just curious what people think. During the last few games I've thought to myself, "I'm sure Rinne is loving this." And i was just curious why people thought he was being such a great teammate.

I am NOT insinuating he is asking for a trade. I think he may just be a genuinely good guy, just was curious what other's thought.

NoNecksCurse 04-09-2013 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by triggrman (Post 63665945)
lol. Running out of drama so now we have to invent some?

i think its a valid question.. if i was rinne i wouldnt want to spend the peak of my career.... ermmm, here at this point.

drwpreds 04-09-2013 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Top 6 Spaling (Post 63665769)
What is stopping Pekka from demanding a trade? He has watched Suter, Weber (possibly), and Erat all try to leave. We are consistently getting throttled, giving him no scoring support, and our defense is hardly stellar. Money isn't an issue, since he's getting his 7x7 deal wherever he goes. There would be a market for him, to say the least.

Mitch Korn is certainly a draw here, but if I'm Pekka, I don't know why I'm not headed for a big market to play behind a good team (Philly, Toronto, Detroit if Howard goes UFA, etc.)

I am beyond thrilled that he is, since we would be the single worst team in the league without him, but why is he staying? Team loyalty for giving him a shot? Mitch Korn? Why?

Are you serious with this??? Please tell me this post was a joke.

I swear we must have the worst fans in the entire NHL. I love how you include Weber in your list of players (possibly) leaving. HE IS HERE-THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS. (and it was his actions that caused that).

If we were a perennial losing franchise, then I would be right on board with your post, but here's a newsflash- we aren't one. Yes, we are having a rare down year this year- it has sucked- no question about it. But for almost all of Pekka's run here, we have been one of the winningest franchises in the entire NHL, playing in front of some of the most passionate fans in the league.

I would be pretty disappointed in Pekka if one strike shortened, weird, injury riddled season would cause him to want out...

Maybe its just me, but everyone, fans and GM included, need to stop it with the "players wanting out of here" drama, and us getting our feelings hurt when it happens. It happens to EVERY franchise. And going back to your list of players who left or wanted to, all of them have extenuating circumstances- Suter wanted to go home, Weber wanted maximum $$, and Erat played and was happy here for a decade........

Just my 2 cents...........

drwpreds 04-09-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NoNecksCurse (Post 63666783)
i think its a valid question.. if i was rinne i wouldnt want to spend the peak of my career.... ermmm, here at this point.

No, it is not a valid question. As I pointed out in my other reply, everyone on this unbearably negative board acts like we are a perennial losing franchise, and that we are just lucky to have any quality players wanting to play here.

WE ARE HAVING ONE BAD STRIKE SHORTENED SEASON, mainly because of unbelievable injuries.

Everyone seems to forget that until this year, we have been one of the most successful teams both on and off the ice.

Top 6 Spaling 04-09-2013 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by drwpreds (Post 63667127)
Are you serious with this??? Please tell me this post was a joke.

I swear we must have the worst fans in the entire NHL. I love how you include Weber in your list of players (possibly) leaving. HE IS HERE-THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS. (and it was his actions that caused that).

If we were a perennial losing franchise, then I would be right on board with your post, but here's a newsflash- we aren't one. Yes, we are having a rare down year this year- it has sucked- no question about it. But for almost all of Pekka's run here, we have been one of the winningest franchises in the entire NHL, playing in front of some of the most passionate fans in the league.

I would be pretty disappointed in Pekka if one strike shortened, weird, injury riddled season would cause him to want out...

Maybe its just me, but everyone, fans and GM included, need to stop it with the "players wanting out of here" drama, and us getting our feelings hurt when it happens. It happens to EVERY franchise. And going back to your list of players who left or wanted to, all of them have extenuating circumstances- Suter wanted to go home, Weber wanted maximum $$, and Erat played and was happy here for a decade........

Just my 2 cents...........

I am not saying he "should" want out. I am just asking for opinions on why he is choosing to stick out a retooling at best, rebuld at worst, during the prime of his career. The point of this thread was to get talking about the positive things keeping him here.

For the record, yes, I do think weber *possibly* wanted out. He's played like he wants out IMO.

I understand your opinion. I'm not saying "We suck all the time, everyone should ask for a trade!". But when this many of our good players are heading different directions, I was curious as to opinions of why Rinne is staying.

Already regretting making this thread...sheesh.

NoNecksCurse 04-09-2013 10:34 PM

i think its a valid question.. im assuming we continue to miss the playoffs. obviously after one shortened losing season, id sure hope he wouldn't want out

AdmiralsFan24 04-09-2013 10:34 PM

You lost me when you listed Philadelphia as a good team.

ThirdManIn 04-09-2013 10:37 PM

Nothing is preventing him from it except himself I supposed. What's preventing the likelihood of Rinne being traded even if he requested one is his cap hit and the insane package it would take to pique Poile's interest.

Top 6 Spaling 04-09-2013 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AdmiralsFan24 (Post 63667625)
You lost me when you listed Philadelphia as a good team.

Give them Rinne in net, and they'll beat the crap out of us.

Preddownsouth 04-09-2013 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Top 6 Spaling (Post 63667485)
I am not saying he "should" want out. I am just asking for opinions on why he is choosing to stick out a retooling at best, rebuld at worst, during the prime of his career. The point of this thread was to get talking about the positive things keeping him here.

For the record, yes, I do think weber *possibly* wanted out. He's played like he wants out IMO.

I understand your opinion. I'm not saying "We suck all the time, everyone should ask for a trade!". But when this many of our good players are heading different directions, I was curious as to opinions of why Rinne is staying.

Already regretting making this thread...sheesh.

Believe me even bringing up the possibility that Weber may want out after the season will bring down the wrath of this board. ;)

ThirdManIn 04-09-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Preddownsouth (Post 63667879)
Believe me even bringing up the possibility that Weber may want out after the season will bring down the wrath of this board. ;)

Meh... saying Weber may have wanted out is one thing. Clamoring at any little piece of circumstantial evidence to prove that he absolutely did want out is another. One will lead to discussion. The other will draw the ire of fans who disagree.

I don't know why in every thread I see comments about how the "board" is going to act, or expressing dismay with what the "board" is saying about a game. I thought we were here to talk about hockey, not each other...

Top 6 Spaling 04-09-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdManIn (Post 63668049)
Meh... saying Weber may have wanted out is one thing. Clamoring at any little piece of circumstantial evidence to prove that he absolutely did want out is another. One will lead to discussion. The other will draw the ire of fans who disagree.

I don't know why in every thread I see comments about how the "board" is going to act, or expressing dismay with what the "board" is saying about a game. I thought we were here to talk about hockey, not each other...

That is one topic where we will all never agree. Some will always think Weber wanted to go to Philly, some will think that he just wanted to secure his contract regardless.

And in the end, it doesn't matter either way. The fact is that he is here long term (unless by some strange event Poile trades him). And that is all that matters.

drwpreds 04-09-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AdmiralsFan24 (Post 63667625)
You lost me when you listed Philadelphia as a good team.

Exactly- he also lists Toronto- we have been better than them in every way for almost a decade until this year.......

But lets not let the facts get in the way of a good argument..

dknash 04-09-2013 10:47 PM

Weber's offer sheet seemed like a pretty obvious poison pill to me.

Looks like it's working.

Hopefully at a minimum it gets better after next year when the ridiculous bonus is out of the way.

ThirdManIn 04-09-2013 10:49 PM

I think Toronto with Rinne would be a pretty damn good team. They can't afford him, though. Less than $20m in cap space with only 12 players signed next year.

ThirdManIn 04-09-2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dknash (Post 63668337)
Weber's offer sheet seemed like a pretty obvious poison pill to me.

Looks like it's working.

Hopefully at a minimum it gets better after next year when the ridiculous bonus is out of the way.

What does Weber's contract have to do with anything? How is it a poison pill? Is it the reason Erat wanted out? Or the reason the team hasn't been playing well this year? I'm asking because this comment seems out of place to me. :dunno:

CantbeatzPekka 04-09-2013 10:52 PM

I think he can see that our offense is watching from the press box. I think the entire team knows this. Its a fluke season. It happens.

EDIT: Also want to add, the minute we get a top 3 player to sign here long term, we bash him for staying? lol

Top 6 Spaling 04-09-2013 10:54 PM

The teams I listed would both be significantly better than us with Rinne in net IMO. Toronto is poised to make the playoffs with Reimer in net, and they have a very young team. I predict Toronto has more points than us next year (though I think we have a shot at the playoffs).

Basing performance off past years isn't exactly fair. The immediate future (next year) looks awfully bleak IMO. I will reserve final judgement til I see how the draft and free agency go, but I think the window has shut on this team. It was open for about 2 years, and now it is gone. That said, give us 2-3 years and we will be back in the mix. Maybe that is what Rinne sees.

ThirdManIn 04-09-2013 10:54 PM

There was a thread on the main boards not long ago asking people to explain Rinne's season. The OP had ulterior motives, as is commonplace, and wanted to know why Rinne could falter without catching flak while Miller gets the brunt of it. Well, Rinne isn't a selfish guy who calls out his teammates any chance he gets. He doesn't throw temper tantrums. He is a professional. He gets frustrated, sure, and I'm sure he lets the guys have it both on and off the ice. But he is a professional.

That's why he isn't asking for a trade.

Top 6 Spaling 04-09-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CantbeatzPekka (Post 63668573)
I think he can see that our offense is watching from the press box. I think the entire team knows this. Its a fluke season. It happens.

EDIT: Also want to add, the minute we get a top 3 player to sign here long term, we bash him for staying? lol

In what way I am bashing him? I have said numerous times in this thread that I appreciate it and am glad. It shows character and leadership on his part. I just wanted to speculate on his motives (though we'll never know).

Lots of words being put in my mouth (or keyboard, I guess) on this one. I was curious what people though his motivation was. That is all. I'm not bashing him. I'm not saying he should leave. I wanted to discuss why he wants to stay when Suter, Erat, and *gulp* POSSIBLY DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK Weber decided to take a different route.

dknash 04-09-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdManIn (Post 63668495)
What does Weber's contract have to do with anything? How is it a poison pill? Is it the reason Erat wanted out? Or the reason the team hasn't been playing well this year? I'm asking because this comment seems out of place to me. :dunno:

There was some loose discussion on Weber's motives which I failed to quote.

I think the financial outlay to Weber in the first two years is having/ is going to have an impact on the rest of the roster. Could be wrong, but are we spending to cap this season? Maybe the lockout explains some of that, but I won't be surprised if we don't next year either, because we have such a large burden in the signing bonus. Less money available = weaker roster = worse results = player discontent?


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