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wings5 04-11-2013 08:40 PM

Prototypical skills/traits by hockey Nation
 
I'm trying to get a feel for the typical traits/skills by hockey nation. Not trying to stereotype and obviously there are many players from these countries who will be different from the norm but there should be a trend in the type of skills. For example :

Russia forwards: ( good skating, excellent stickhandling skills, can beat defenders one on one, lacks ability to play in traffic, average-below average defensive IQ.

Justinov 04-14-2013 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wings5 (Post 63786923)
I'm trying to get a feel for the typical traits/skills by hockey nation. Not trying to stereotype and obviously there are many players from these countries who will be different from the norm but there should be a trend in the type of skills. For example

Danish Forwards: Defensively responsible forwards. Playing smart and fighting hard for the team. Typically passing players and not snipers. Usually more technical than physical.

Yakushev72 04-14-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wings5 (Post 63786923)
I'm trying to get a feel for the typical traits/skills by hockey nation. Not trying to stereotype and obviously there are many players from these countries who will be different from the norm but there should be a trend in the type of skills. For example :

Russia forwards: ( good skating, excellent stickhandling skills, can beat defenders one on one, lacks ability to play in traffic, average-below average defensive IQ.

The advanced offensive skills attributed to Russian forwards come about largely as a result of the emphasis of training and preparation they receive in Russian hockey schools. The alleged defensive weaknesses are just stereotypes obtained from lazy journalists, who usually form their viewpoints from private conversations with coaches, who may badmouth their Russian players behind their backs.

LAX attack* 04-14-2013 02:02 PM

I think Americans are somewhat poor at the "flow" of the game, not great at using linemates well or setting up plays, but great individual skills.

QnebO 04-14-2013 02:41 PM

Typical swedish player from my point of view

Top level puck handlers, playmakers and skaters. Their long term hockey-culture has grown to learn players "the something" -factor which helps them to get to the scoreboards and score in the important situations. They typically lack grit and do not excel physical aspect of the game (kronwall says hello). The physical disadvantage is what makes one to think them 2nd to Canada when both would have their best teams.

Finland:

Can we just have 6 goalies playing ok?


Btw wouldn't the title be better as "Typicall skills" instead of "Prototypical".

Comedy 04-14-2013 07:34 PM

I think the typical Swiss player is more defensive minded and hard working.

They don't have the top end talent of the other nations so the team success really depends on effective team defense and goaltending.

WarriorofTime 04-16-2013 11:22 AM

Americans are north-south players, often times very fast. Russians are super-skilled. Swedes are great two way players and have high hockey IQ. Fins play hard and produce the best goalies. Canadians are big and physical.

flyin_finn 04-16-2013 12:09 PM

One specific thing I have noticed on many Russian goalies: they stay close to their crease and have smaller active range around the goal.

Just watch Nabokov or even Varlamov and you'll see what I mean.

Maybe it's the legacy of Tretjak?

Fulcrum 04-16-2013 08:55 PM

No one mentioned the Czechs:

Very skilled, effective passers, Tricky players, can play trap and counter like no one's business. They seem to bring something from Soccer when it comes doing whatever it takes to win, even if it means being very tricky or sly. They seem to play smart using their head a lot.

I've always feared Czechs as Russian opponents, as they seem to outsmart the Russian's skill emphasis and pull off wins. Let's not forget that hockey in Soviet Union came from Czechoslovakia too..

flyin_finn 04-17-2013 03:39 AM

From previous post came to mind that there is distinguishable difference between Czechs and Russians.

Czech:

Regardless having some high-skill players, Czechs are balanced as a team.

There is not that large discrepancy between their first and fourth line and even the star players like Jagr in his prime were not entirely build upon.

(Like in Nagano 1998 Czechs won because they were a team playing in front of Hasek, and not an all-star selection with great goalie).

One additional thing is that in international tournaments Czech defenders do their job but aside having # 1 defenseman, the numbers 2-6 are hard to tell from another.

To give concrete example on above, this season they've had 16 defensemen who have appeared in an NHL game. Anyone non-Czech to be able to list more than three names is impressive.

Russia:

Overall Russia has clearly the most wide set of skill of all European teams, partly due their demographics and that hockey is among nations two most popular sports.

Russia has been - and still is - strong on individual technique and skating. Their players tend to keep the puck way longer than for example Czechs do.

This trait becomes visible when Russian forward faces opponent in 1-to-1 situation. Where North-American one would dump the puck to the opposing end Russian tries to get past him.

Also, it is difficult to describe, but looks often like Russians actually try to score a goal. Although not entirely comparable, but think of something similar to floor hockey.

They are producing nowadays more goalies, but it is still somewhat amazing fact that Russian has never won a Vezina.

Yakushev72 04-17-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by flyin_finn (Post 64107759)
From previous post came to mind that there is distinguishable difference between Czechs and Russians.

Czech:

Regardless having some high-skill players, Czechs are balanced as a team.

There is not that large discrepancy between their first and fourth line and even the star players like Jagr in his prime were not entirely build upon.

(Like in Nagano 1998 Czechs won because they were a team playing in front of Hasek, and not an all-star selection with great goalie).

One additional thing is that in international tournaments Czech defenders do their job but aside having # 1 defenseman, the numbers 2-6 are hard to tell from another.

To give concrete example on above, this season they've had 16 defensemen who have appeared in an NHL game. Anyone non-Czech to be able to list more than three names is impressive.

Russia:

Overall Russia has clearly the most wide set of skill of all European teams, partly due their demographics and that hockey is among nations two most popular sports.

Russia has been - and still is - strong on individual technique and skating. Their players tend to keep the puck way longer than for example Czechs do.

This trait becomes visible when Russian forward faces opponent in 1-to-1 situation. Where North-American one would dump the puck to the opposing end Russian tries to get past him.

Also, it is difficult to describe, but looks often like Russians actually try to score a goal. Although not entirely comparable, but think of something similar to floor hockey.

They are producing nowadays more goalies, but it is still somewhat amazing fact that Russian has never won a Vezina.

Good comments. Possibly because of the emphasis of Russian hockey schools and because Russians are used to a wider ice surface, forwards are more inclined to carry the puck in under control or make a pass than to dump the puck into the corner.

Sanderson 04-17-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by flyin_finn (Post 64107759)
They are producing nowadays more goalies, but it is still somewhat amazing fact that Russian has never won a Vezina.

I wouldn't consider that all that surprising. Only four European goalies have ever won the Vezina, three if you go by training instead of nationality. In addition to that, Lindbergh won before Russians were able to play in the NHL, so the list pretty much shrinks to Hasek and Kiprusoff.

Hasek was virtually impossible to beat, and Brodeur very hard to, though Nabokov did come pretty close one year. Those two pretty much coincide with the prime of the best Russian goalies. There hasn't been another Russian goalie who has been able to take his game to the next level since those two were gone or past their prime.

Latgale_fan 04-20-2013 06:52 PM

I'd like to think that what is modern Latvian hockey can be seen (better executed) in Znarok's Dynamo Moscow, 2 time Gagarin Cup winner. Physical but not North American flying-bodies physical, a team that will always have a bit more left in the tank than the opposition, good starts/endings of a period/game, mentally strong, more counter attack oriented but still player selection based on skill and not on size/frame, simple in defense and more creativity allowed than in typical North American game in offense, long passes. Team, not individual's mentality.

Though it was team Latvia under Znarok. Now with Nolan the stresses have changed. More checking, less creativity, some players are purely selected because of their defensive ability, frame and not because of skill, less freedom allowed in offense. Though Nolan's style is also starting to become closer to what it was under Znarok probably because a lot of players aren't really fit to play, say, like big and bulky Germans. Though I'd think if Znarok and Nolan were to make separate versions of team Latvia, 3rd and 4th lines would be bit different.

It will be interesting to see how will Dinamo Rīga look like next year (and who'll coach the team). I would say though that there's no distinct way of how a Latvian kid plays hockey. The hockey system as such is a mess, everybody's preaching what he thinks is the right way of playing hockey and there have been no attempts to formulate how we, as a hockey nation, should play.

begbeee 05-04-2013 11:11 AM

Slovakia: Offensive players.

Wixztor 05-04-2013 12:01 PM

My take on some nations' weaknesses:

Czechs: tend to give up easily faced with adversity?

Swedes: sometimes slow players?

Finns: somewhat ineffective scorers?

Canadians: complacency?

Russians: lacking team play and discipline?

Americans: decent mix of traits team-wise but lacking true skill in them?

llwyd 05-04-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wixztor (Post 65264689)
Finns: somewhat ineffective scorers?

This is like saying "The WW2: somewhat violent"...

Zamuz 05-04-2013 03:24 PM

One adjective:

Canada: Skilled
USA: Physical
Russia: Smooth
Sweden: Offensive
Finland: Stable
Czech: Fast
Slovakia: Defensive

SatanwasaSlovak 05-04-2013 04:10 PM

Canada: Ugly, cheapshooting goons who also can play ice-hockey pretty good.

Czechs: Skilled and always a threat of the wind is blowing in their way of direction. Not very good in harsher times.

Swiss: Big and strong, always disciplined but seem to lack offensive threat.

Kazakhstan: Always good at letting goals in.

USA: Never seem to quit, even though they are under with ten seconds to go. Can never count them out as they seem to thrive on being underdogs. Some tournaments they are good and some are they really bad and almost get downgraded to a lower division.

Slovaks: Satanicly good ;)

ViD 05-04-2013 05:04 PM

Russia: can't win a faceoff :shakehead

Hockeyfrilla 05-04-2013 05:12 PM

Finnish players are often small/undersized (atleast in juniors)

Spawnisen 05-04-2013 05:27 PM

Russia: Good stickhandlers with a lot of speed, good one on one. Good individually, not as a team
Sweden: Good allround players, both defensemen and forwards.
Finland: Works very hard, plays well with teammates, can't score
Czech: Quite big skilled players.
Canada: Big, strong, quick skilled players.
USA: Hardworking players, good at grinding and checking. Two-way

Something like that imo

markz* 05-04-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Spawnisen (Post 65283051)
Russia: Good stickhandlers with a lot of speed, good one on one. Good individually, not as a team
Sweden: Good allround players, both defensemen and forwards.
Finland: Works very hard, plays well with teammates, can't score
Czech: Quite big skilled players.
Canada: Big, strong, quick skilled players.
USA: Hardworking players, good at grinding and checking. Two-way

Something like that imo

That's actually a good analysis :)

Yamaguchi 05-04-2013 07:12 PM

Not all Canadians are goons

Yamaguchi 05-04-2013 07:43 PM

Swedes: The Red Wings

Finns: The goalies

US: Will, not skill

Canadians: The big game performers (e.g. Gretzky, Lemieux, Koharski)

Russians: The individual awards winners

Czechs: Jagr & the John Doe's

Slovaks: a two-eyed cyclop at blue line

Cruor 05-05-2013 11:58 AM

Finland: Goalie monopoly, fast players
Sweden: Sound defencemen & defensive system
Canada: Crash the net
Czech: Great skating & counter attack
Swiss: Canada/Swedish-mix
Russia: Individual skill


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