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Soli 04-14-2013 10:07 AM

2013 NHL Entry Draft Thread | "Don't Be A Moran, Draft Monahan"
 
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Originally Posted by Soundwave (Post 63920279)
In terms of a speedy rebuild, some how landing MacKinnon and then dealing Gagner for a top 4 d-man who can play right away probably would be the best scenario for us, but I don't know if that'll happen.

As good as Jones is, and Nurse/Zadarov might be, they're probably a few years out from controlling the game.

Remember how Adam Larsson was supposed to be a NHL impact d-man like right away? Well this is his second year and he's still coming along slowly. Defense just takes a while to really pick up at the NHL level.

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Originally Posted by rockinghockey (Post 63921607)
I think a player like Barkov is what we need, this kid is only 17 he turns 18 in Sept. We need some size on this team and we have to get some grit and size on this team.
PRV is improving but he will never be a grinder in the corner. He stands in front of the net but he doesn't get in the goalies face.
Gagner he has skill but we need size and someone who doesnt lose the puck in the corners.
Hemsky no room for him in the top 6 and not the type of player for the bottom 6.

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Originally Posted by jukon (Post 63922053)
Yeah Zadarov and Nurse may have good potential but they are 2-4 years away. Jones is the only Dman that you can expect to make an immediate impact.

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Originally Posted by Joey Moss (Post 63922313)
I just saw something in a Mock Draft mentioning Barkov was injured during the playoffs and had shoulder surgery.. his rehab was expected to be 5 months. Might scare some teams off.

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Originally Posted by Baggers (Post 63923219)
If the team lands MacKinnon, I'd rather have them keep Gagner, get rid of Hemsky and break MacKinnon in on the wing.

Getting even more inexperienced at the 2nd line C spot isn't the answer. Hemsky's 'veteran leadership' doesn't count because he doesn't seem to have any leadership ability whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Baggers (Post 63923239)
Even Jones I think will take 1-2 years (Pietrangelo style).

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Originally Posted by rockinghockey (Post 63923761)
Pietro took 3 yrs before he came up I do believe.

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Originally Posted by oilsp1ll (Post 63926207)
We get a pretty heavy WHL lean and slant over here so thought I'd chime in with some other prospects after the first round that sound intriguing from some other research I've done:

D Tommy Vannelli - Toolsy and smooth defender from Minnesota high school that has lots of filling out to do, noted for a eye-popping outlet pass and PP QB abilities. Could take a Petry like development in the US system. Supposed to go to University of Minnesota. Might be one of my favorite prospects I've heard about from on paper without actually seeing him play.
D Maxime Gravel - smooth skating, high offensive IQ d-man with a bit of a mean streak in him. Could be appealing after round 3.
F Marc-Olivier Roy - Slick hard-working forward with terrific stickhandling skills, IQ, and elusiveness, competitive but slight in size. Is lighting it up in the playoffs right now in the Q. Only his second year in the league as an 18-year-old but the skills are really intriguing to me here.
F Vincent Dunn - intense, physical, agitator type who crashes the net playing for Val D'Or in the Q. Size is his minus at 5'11". Put up good points with 52 points in 53 games but got suspended for a racial slur against a native opponent earlier this year. Teams tend to fall in love with these types of players, could see him going as early as the 2nd because of his competitiveness.
F Emile Poirier - This guy could be the Brandon Saad of this draft from the sounds of Q watchers, late birthday (Saad was too), but I'd keep my eye on him. Very skilled with some skating concerns but people are all over his clutchness and skills. His forechecking, intelligence and 2-way game seem to be raved about. Plays in Gatineau right across from Ottawa and played Halifax in playoffs, this guy is known by all scouts by now might be an early 2nd at this point.

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Originally Posted by notloilersfan (Post 63928315)
He came up on his 3rd year. In both of his first two years he stayed on the team before his 10th game would kick in. In the second year, they didn't return him until the World Juniors. He sat in the press box often, and trained with the team.

Something appropriate, courtesy of Oilersnation:

chrisralph007 04-14-2013 10:48 AM

THW's The Next One's April 2013 NHL Mock Draft:

Just completed - the most in depth mock draft on the planet up at THW. Okay, well maybe not on the planet. Heck, maybe not even in North America. But...it is pretty in depth...and it is pretty awesome...maybe...

Some story lines:
- Oilers nab another Russian in the 1st rnd, filling a big team need, maybe even more improtant than Yakupov down the road.
- Flames draft 2 kids born in Calgary plus an offensive dynamo
- Habs draft prospect from la belle province
- Leafs draft son of enforcer
- So do Jets!
- Sens get an ice warrior
- Avs brings a big blueliner back home! (not that much of a shock).
- Devils cash in on Grigorenko situation take 2.
- Caps refurbish their Swedish prospect ranks

Link to result of the full mock draft: http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...april-edition/

Do they make the right selection, hypothetically speaking?

doubledown99 04-14-2013 11:02 AM

I hope we win the lottery and then trade Jones to PHX for OEL (thy would save almost $6 million and might generate 1k - 2k more fans per game which will equal several million more for cash strapped team).

Or to Stl for Pie (they have lots of players to sign and are budget team) or to Nsh for Weber (Jones would be marketing dream for them).

That is what I am hoping for

Petro Points 04-14-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisralph007 (Post 63931609)
THW's The Next One's April 2013 NHL Mock Draft:

Just completed - the most in depth mock draft on the planet up at THW. Okay, well maybe not on the planet. Heck, maybe not even in North America. But...it is pretty in depth...and it is pretty awesome...maybe...

Some story lines:
- Oilers nab another Russian in the 1st rnd, filling a big team need, maybe even more improtant than Yakupov down the road.
- Flames draft 2 kids born in Calgary plus an offensive dynamo
- Habs draft prospect from la belle province
- Leafs draft son of enforcer
- So do Jets!
- Sens get an ice warrior
- Avs brings a big blueliner back home! (not that much of a shock).
- Devils cash in on Grigorenko situation take 2.
- Caps refurbish their Swedish prospect ranks

Link to result of the full mock draft: http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...april-edition/

Do they make the right selection, hypothetically speaking?

I can actually see Nichushkin dropping down this low.. (13th)

herashak 04-14-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by doubledown99 (Post 63932085)
I hope we win the lottery and then trade Jones to PHX for OEL (thy would save almost $6 million and might generate 1k - 2k more fans per game which will equal several million more for cash strapped team).

Or to Stl for Pie (they have lots of players to sign and are budget team) or to Nsh for Weber (Jones would be marketing dream for them).

That is what I am hoping for

lol.

Petro Points 04-14-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by doubledown99 (Post 63932085)
I hope we win the lottery and then trade Jones to PHX for OEL (thy would save almost $6 million and might generate 1k - 2k more fans per game which will equal several million more for cash strapped team).

Or to Stl for Pie (they have lots of players to sign and are budget team) or to Nsh for Weber (Jones would be marketing dream for them).

That is what I am hoping for

Or maybe FLA wins the lotto and trades Jones to us for Hall...
OEL and Pie are as valuable if not more to their team than Hall is to us..

McRib 04-14-2013 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisralph007 (Post 63931609)
THW's The Next One's April 2013 NHL Mock Draft:

Just completed - the most in depth mock draft on the planet up at THW. Okay, well maybe not on the planet. Heck, maybe not even in North America. But...it is pretty in depth...and it is pretty awesome...maybe...

Some story lines:
- Oilers nab another Russian in the 1st rnd, filling a big team need, maybe even more improtant than Yakupov down the road.
- Flames draft 2 kids born in Calgary plus an offensive dynamo
- Habs draft prospect from la belle province
- Leafs draft son of enforcer
- So do Jets!
- Sens get an ice warrior
- Avs brings a big blueliner back home! (not that much of a shock).
- Devils cash in on Grigorenko situation take 2.
- Caps refurbish their Swedish prospect ranks

Link to result of the full mock draft: http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...april-edition/

Do they make the right selection, hypothetically speaking?

I'd be okay with drafting that Zadorov kid. Only worry about big kids like that is if their foot speed can develop enough to be an NHLer... But I think it's safe to say that this years first rounder may not be NHL ready.

Roof Daddy 04-14-2013 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisralph007 (Post 63931609)
THW's The Next One's April 2013 NHL Mock Draft:

Just completed - the most in depth mock draft on the planet up at THW. Okay, well maybe not on the planet. Heck, maybe not even in North America. But...it is pretty in depth...and it is pretty awesome...maybe...

Some story lines:
- Oilers nab another Russian in the 1st rnd, filling a big team need, maybe even more improtant than Yakupov down the road.
- Flames draft 2 kids born in Calgary plus an offensive dynamo
- Habs draft prospect from la belle province
- Leafs draft son of enforcer
- So do Jets!
- Sens get an ice warrior
- Avs brings a big blueliner back home! (not that much of a shock).
- Devils cash in on Grigorenko situation take 2.
- Caps refurbish their Swedish prospect ranks

Link to result of the full mock draft: http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...april-edition/

Do they make the right selection, hypothetically speaking?

I would say no. IF we were picking in that spot and IF Nichushkin were still there I think it would be a poor decision to pass him over. The Russian factor has been grossly overblown and we are seeing teams benefit greatly by landing top 5 talents in the mid/late first round (Tarasenko, Kuznetsov). He will spend 2 years playing in a men's league and all scouting reports point to him being Malkin-lite. Could play C or LW with Yak.

Don't get me wrong, Zadorov would be a solid choice as well there. Just one thing however - this team has gone full tank mode and I highly doubt we'll be selecting 10th when the time comes. My prediction is 1st overall via winning the lottery. We will be in the 6th spot by seasons end, and the 6th spot has never won the lottery. We got screwed in 2007, winning a meaningless game against Calgary to leapfrog the Blackhawks and finish in the 6 spot while the Hawks won the lottery. We picked back to back busts in 95/96 with consecutive 6th overall picks. We have a god awful GM whose only attribute is a lucky tie and troll faced smile that is intrinsically tied to picking 1st overall. The hockey gods owe us some positive mojo from the 6th spot. If we finish there, we win the lottery.

doubledown99 04-14-2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Petro Points (Post 63932293)
Or maybe FLA wins the lotto and trades Jones to us for Hall...
OEL and Pie are as valuable if not more to their team than Hall is to us..

From a hockey perspective yes but from a business perspective Jones is huge. He is Popeyes son, an American, and well spoken kid. He will sell tickets in the US. That is huge.

Yeah we would have to send something else with Jones but we need an experienced #1 dman with our team makeup.

You guys may laugh at the ideas but Saving money for some teams is huge. PHX is bleeding cash. The NHL hasn't given them unlimited budget to run team. So would they be interested in saving almost $10 million (potentially) for the next couple yrs? I would have to think so. Are they downgrading so much for OEL to Jones? IMO no....

For others managing the cap is important because they get to ice a stronger lineup with the cap savings ELC provide

SterlingArcher 04-14-2013 11:33 AM

Barkov could fall after getting hurt in the playoffs and having shoulder surgery. He has never had shoulder issues before so hopefully it's a one time thing but we are used to guys with shoulder issues. Barkov is the one guy outside outside mackinnon I see having a good impact in a 2C role right away. I am not saying Monahan is bad but I think he is ore suited right away to play in the third line if he were to make the team outta camp

BarDownBobo 04-14-2013 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisralph007 (Post 63931609)
THW's The Next One's April 2013 NHL Mock Draft:

Just completed - the most in depth mock draft on the planet up at THW. Okay, well maybe not on the planet. Heck, maybe not even in North America. But...it is pretty in depth...and it is pretty awesome...maybe...

Some story lines:
- Oilers nab another Russian in the 1st rnd, filling a big team need, maybe even more improtant than Yakupov down the road.
- Flames draft 2 kids born in Calgary plus an offensive dynamo
- Habs draft prospect from la belle province
- Leafs draft son of enforcer
- So do Jets!
- Sens get an ice warrior
- Avs brings a big blueliner back home! (not that much of a shock).
- Devils cash in on Grigorenko situation take 2.
- Caps refurbish their Swedish prospect ranks

Link to result of the full mock draft: http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...april-edition/

Do they make the right selection, hypothetically speaking?

Two things if it were to play out like that: 1. I personally like Ristolainen a bit more than Zadorov, so I'd be taking him; and 2. I think that 10 would be a good spot to gamble on Nichushkin over a defenseman.

McRib 04-14-2013 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof Daddy (Post 63932421)
I would say no. IF we were picking in that spot and IF Nichushkin were still there I think it would be a poor decision to pass him over. The Russian factor has been grossly overblown and we are seeing teams benefit greatly by landing top 5 talents in the mid/late first round (Tarasenko, Kuznetsov). He will spend 2 years playing in a men's league and all scouting reports point to him being Malkin-lite. Could play C or LW with Yak.

Don't get me wrong, Zadorov would be a solid choice as well there. Just one thing however - this team has gone full tank mode and I highly doubt we'll be selecting 10th when the time comes. My prediction is 1st overall via winning the lottery. We will be in the 6th spot by seasons end, and the 6th spot has never won the lottery. We got screwed in 2007, winning a meaningless game against Calgary to leapfrog the Blackhawks and finish in the 6 spot while the Hawks won the lottery. We picked back to back busts in 95/96 with consecutive 6th overall picks. We have a god awful GM whose only attribute is a lucky tie and troll faced smile that is intrinsically tied to picking 1st overall. The hockey gods owe us some positive mojo from the 6th spot. If we finish there, we win the lottery.

Based upon the criteria for the actual lottery, the chances of us winning are very slim.

Oilers4life1987 04-14-2013 11:43 AM

Monahan all they way

I am the Liquor 04-14-2013 11:44 AM

If the Oilers were fortunate enough to win the lottery and grab Jones, why in the world would they trade him?

Oilception 04-14-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by I am the Liquor (Post 63933561)
If the Oilers were fortunate enough to win the lottery and grab Jones, why in the world would they trade him?

This!!

Jones would be the absolute best thing for us out of this draft

nexttothemoon 04-14-2013 12:04 PM

It's a good poll... but if the draft were held today, the Oilers would be picking #8 and several of those names would be gone already.

I think Nurse and Monahan would both be gone in the top 7 and the choice at that point (if they picked #8) would be who was left on the board... either Lindholm or Nichushkin.

Zadorov, Ristolainen or Pulock could also be in the conversation if the Oilers wanted to go with a dman at that point... or if they really wanted to go "off the board" and pick Lazar... but I think most would agree #8 would be too early to pick Lazar but it depends how in love the Oilers are with the Oil Kings player who they likely know better than any other top prospect in the draft.

Monahan is the obvious pick if he slides to the Oilers... but if he's not still around (and he likely won't be) then it's pretty wide open at that stage as to who they'd pick.

My gut feel is they wouldn't draft Nichushkin because they'd be leery of him staying over in Russia indefinitely. Some might say having Yakupov in the lineup already might open the door a bit... but I don't see that being a convincing factor.

Lindholm is the obvious other high end pick... if he was still available, it would be hard to pass on him considering his abilities and skill level.

I think Lindholm is the player the Oilers would have to take at #8.

Of course they are falling fast and could be selecting #7, #6 or even higher so the options and outlook changes almost daily but right now at #8 I'd say Lindholm is the best pick.



To illustrate another scenario... if the draft went like this (and the Oilers picked at #8)...
1 Jones
2 MacKinnon
3 Drouin
4 Barkov
5 Nurse
6 Monahan
7 Lindholm
8 ?

Top contenders for that 8th spot for the Oilers would be Nichushkin, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Lazar, Pulock. I think they seriously could pick Lazar at that point... going with the player they know REALLY well over others with more question marks.

Trafalgar Law 04-14-2013 12:12 PM

What do you have against Brad Moran?:sarcasm:

doubledown99 04-14-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by I am the Liquor (Post 63933561)
If the Oilers were fortunate enough to win the lottery and grab Jones, why in the world would they trade him?

No matter how good Jones is (and he's awesome....love watching him dominate the whole ice when he is out there) he will have a learning curve. He is not going to be dominant right away (most likely). The stage the Oilers are we need an experienced guy more even if we might be giving up a tad over the long haul.

That's just my opinion.

I am the Liquor 04-14-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by doubledown99 (Post 63935311)
No matter how good Jones is (and he's awesome....love watching him dominate the whole ice when he is out there) he will have a learning curve. He is not going to be dominant right away (most likely). The stage the Oilers are we need an experienced guy more even if we might be giving up a tad over the long haul.

That's just my opinion.

I disagree. The better option would be the guy on an inexpensive ELC who will be an rfa for the next seven years as opposed to jumping on someone who is a ufa or soon to be ufa.

Realistically this team wont peak for another seven to ten years if somehow we are able to retain our core. So saying we need a guy "now" is a little misguided imo. His career will be on the downside or maybe even completely over when this team is at its peak. Whereas Jones will be entering his prime during the peak period.

Hockey Nightmare 04-14-2013 12:49 PM

I honestly hope our next lottery pick refuses to sign here. I want a huge wake up call for this org.

nexttothemoon 04-14-2013 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by I am the Liquor (Post 63936539)
I disagree. The better option would be the guy on an inexpensive ELC who will be an rfa for the next seven years as opposed to jumping on someone who is a ufa or soon to be ufa.

Realistically this team wont peak for another seven to ten years if somehow we are able to retain our core. So saying we need a guy "now" is a little misguided imo. His career will be on the downside or maybe even completely over when this team is at its peak. Whereas Jones will be entering his prime during the peak period.

I agree as well.

How many players that have been traded to the Oilers are still there
5-7 years later after the trade? The only way to retain elite talent for the long term is to draft them, develop them and have them play on the team for the long term. They aren't just hired guns at that point looking for the biggest paycheck which is what UFA acquisitions would be.

The Oilers need to fill out the roster in other areas with UFA's but the core is and will always be those young top picks that they are accumulating. Adding another one this year is the best use of that asset instead of trading it away for a player that could be gone in a few years (or less)... like Pronger, Souray, Pitkanen, Visnovsky among others.

dnicks17 04-14-2013 01:17 PM

I wouldn't pick Nichushkin unless I was sure he could play LW at a high level.

Basically all his success has come at RW.

Yakupov's effectiveness is night and day when it comes to LW vs. RW.

Ovechkin is the same. Took Kovalchuk awhile to overcome it. Seems to be a trend among Russians who play their off-wing.

Cerebral 04-14-2013 02:07 PM

I love Monahan's game but I'd have a really tough time turning down Lindholm if he was available. He doesn't have Monahan's size but he's a gritty player and likely just as physical.

I'm warming to the idea of Zadorov (he seems like a realistic pick) but I need to see more of him.

jadeddog 04-14-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerebral (Post 63940915)
I love Monahan's game but I'd have a really tough time turning down Lindholm if he was available. He doesn't have Monahan's size but he's a gritty player and likely just as physical.

I'm warming to the idea of Zadorov (he seems like a realistic pick) but I need to see more of him.

if we draft around 8th, which seems pretty likely with our tough schedule and the fact that the team has all but checked out for the season, and monahan is there, we'd be fools not to take him.... he will be a perfect 3rd line center in a couple years... a guy who does everything fairly well, and has enough of a scoring touch to maybe play 2nd line center in a pinch (injury relief or what have you).... tough SOB to play against according to all reports, gritty, very good on faceoffs... the only real negatives in his game are his average skating and his only slightly better than average offence

i agree that lindholm looks good as well though, and i'd be perfectly happy if we ended up with him as well

Brewster 04-14-2013 02:14 PM

If we continue on the current trajectory, Barkov isn't an unreasonable possibility.


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