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HF Article 04-15-2013 12:45 AM

2013 ISS Draft Rankings: Little change in Top 30, with Jones, Nichushkin still the to
 

The U-18 World Junior Championship is set to begin in just a few short days, an event that could bring the last major shake-up in the rankings of the 2013 NHL Draft prospects. So it is no surprise that the pre-WJC release of ISS Hockey's ranking of the top 30 NHL Draft prospects sports few surprises, and instead reflects pretty much the status quo from the March rankings.



For the fourth consecutive month, Portland Winterhawks defenseman Seth Jones is ranked as the top prospect for this year's draft. Jones and his Winterhawks teammates have advanced to the WHL's Western Conference Final after a sweep of the Spokane Chiefs.… read more



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ManByng 04-15-2013 08:18 AM

Nichushkin 2nd? not in my world!

Krishna 04-15-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ManByng (Post 63972341)
Nichushkin 2nd? not in my world!

Whether people want to admit it or not, he's really good. He's going later due to him having the KHL contract

Pi 04-15-2013 08:46 AM

Keep falling Pulock! The Leafs need you.

Flames Fanatic 04-15-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pi (Post 63973021)
Keep falling Pulock! The Leafs need you.

The Leafs need another defensive prospect? Really?

LeftCoast 04-15-2013 09:57 AM

No Adam Erne?

ManByng 04-15-2013 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ManByng (Post 63972341)
Nichushkin 2nd? not in my world!

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Originally Posted by Krishna (Post 63972841)
Whether people want to admit it or not, he's really good. He's going later due to him having the KHL contract

^is that really the reason why he may not go 2nd overall or is it more that teams feel Drouin and MacKinnon are just as talented? the teams always interview these players before the draft, asking if they will play for their team if they pick them as well i imagine, with the Euro and KHL players, if they want to come to North America. i'm just saying i personally would take Jones, Drouin, MacKinnon and barkov over Nichushkin, i'm not saying he isn't a great talent.

JetsHomer 04-15-2013 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fanatic (Post 63973403)
The Leafs need another defensive prospect? Really?

Have you taken a look the Leafs defence lately?

seafoam 04-15-2013 11:44 AM

It's nice to see Zykov make it into the top 20. He has had an impressive rookie season.

AfroThunder396 04-15-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoast (Post 63975075)
No Adam Erne?

That's what my first thought was as well. Surely he'll go in the 1st round.

chasespace 04-15-2013 12:26 PM

Let Nichushkin fall, Tampa will happily grab him.

Guilliam 04-15-2013 12:32 PM

I don't think I've seen Steve Santini in the first round before...

AmartZing 04-15-2013 10:23 PM

Wow bo horvat at 10...

Dgill 04-16-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AfroThunder396 (Post 63980901)
That's what my first thought was as well. Surely he'll go in the 1st round.

His and Duclair's stock seemed to have fallen. Quebec had a terrible second half and it definitely effected their play. They both could be steals depending on where they are picked. I got a feeling late first to early second.

InjuredChoker 04-16-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Guilliam (Post 63982689)
I don't think I've seen Steve Santini in the first round before...

For what it's worth he was #26 on Ryan Kennedy's ranking at the end of March.

tsujimoto74 04-16-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Krishna (Post 63972841)
Whether people want to admit it or not, he's really good. He's going later due to him having the KHL contract

He's not as good as MacKinnon or Drouin regardless of his KHL status. He pretty much has one move, it just works most of the time for him. He seemed to particularly pick up steam in the standings when he was shooting at a ridiculous ~30%. His hockey IQ is definitely questionable.

Fulcrum 04-16-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tsujimoto74 (Post 64058871)
He's not as good as MacKinnon or Drouin regardless of his KHL status. He pretty much has one move, it just works most of the time for him. He seemed to particularly pick up steam in the standings when he was shooting at a ridiculous ~30%. His hockey IQ is definitely questionable.

I really suggest you watch some FULL games before you say those things. He doesn't rely on 1 move, just because that is all you saw on youtube videos.

He can be downright dominating physically against some top defenders in KHL playoffs. If he doesn't score, he wears down the other teams defense almost EVERY shift.

At times he is impossible to knock off the puck. Apart from his speed, he can break off the boards into the clear and create dangerous chances like he scored earlier in the playoffs, or create assists like he gave many many passes to his teammates. He can also trap the team in their zone with his long reach and speed and break up a lot of breakouts. And this is all at PRO level, not junior hockey.

I used to question his hockey IQ like the rest, but it's just fine. He is by no means a playmaking virtuoso, but he can lay a critical pass for a goal and he can see his teammates. He doesn't fall out of the position defensively at such a high level. I think his hockey sense if just fine if not better than that considering his age. You can be sure that had he played in the Juniors he would rack up a fair amount of assists with his ability to create opportunities for the team.

I don't watch the Canadian kids so I wouldn't say who is better. But there is also no proof that they would show this much effectiveness at an adult level. While Nichushkin HAS proven it in adult hockey - that puts him in a special position and is very significant factor to be considered.

jfb392 04-16-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum (Post 64072089)
I really suggest you watch some FULL games before you say those things. He doesn't rely on 1 move, just because that is all you saw on youtube videos.

It was actually an NHL scout that said it.

I can't find the article anymore, but the quote was "he has one move but it works all of the time".

Fulcrum 04-16-2013 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jfb392 (Post 64077523)
It was actually an NHL scout that said it.

I can't find the article anymore, but the quote was "he has one move but it works all of the time".

Maybe it's true when talking about his 1v1 game, but saying 1 move does not really describe his overall game and the value he brings to his team. Certainly you can't base your evaluation of him as a player on that one statement.

malkinfan 04-16-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jfb392 (Post 64077523)
It was actually an NHL scout that said it.

I can't find the article anymore, but the quote was "he has one move but it works all of the time".

Thats one scout who probably only has had limited viewings of him from the U17/u20 WJCs. I can assure you that this scout hasn't been follwing him all season. Very few NHL scouts are stationed in Russia, a good portion of NHL teams have 0 scouts in Russia. Even fewer NHL scouts (maybe none) scout the VHL games. Many scouts blabber about hear-say from other scouts when it comes to some of the Russian guys.
I have watched a majority of his VHL games via youtube, almost all of his KHL games and he is head and shoulders better than any other forward out there. Fulcrum is right, its the fact that he can dominate at such a young age in a league where there exists a tonne of NHL experience. He turned Salmella inside out, then drove to the net and beat Kari Ramo for a brilliant clutch goal in the playoffs, for example. Its his strength, speed, shot, hockey sense that make him dangerous. Like an NHL scout has said, this type of domination in Russia hasn't been seen since Malkin. He's been way better than Kuznetsov already this play offs which speaks volumes. I can go on and on. He will likely go number 2, he's that good that it won't matter if a team needs to wait 2-3 years to get him - 1 NHL scout says throw th Russian factor out the window -he's that good..... Want me to go on naysayers?

Fulcrum 04-16-2013 11:01 PM

Would be really cool if Mulle could throw together a video of some of his sharp shifts. There are lots of them in every game.

Fearless Leaf* 04-16-2013 11:14 PM

Nurse is too high for my liking. I have watched him quite a bit this season, he is got great physical tools and potential to be a good all around d-man but he is too inconsistent and his decision making is questionable at times. Of course he can improve on it but I wouldn't put him over Zadorov or Monahan among the OHLers.
I had say he is more along the same lines as Morrissey.

ViD 04-18-2013 08:28 AM

Some people need to realize that Nichushkin is playing in the second best ADULT league in the world and his team made it all the way to the finals. He was getting some good ice time and he was noticeable playing against some top level players with NHL experience.

Pi 04-18-2013 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fanatic (Post 63973403)
The Leafs need another defensive prospect? Really?

We need a RHD. Pulock is an RHD that plays good two way hockey and has a great shot. He could be a future partner for any one of Phaneuf/Rielly/Gardiner.

calcal798 04-18-2013 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fanatic (Post 63973403)
The Leafs need another defensive prospect? Really?

We don't need one. Ideally we want a forward, like Horvat, but we'd still take BPA, so if Pulock dropped to us we'd probably be taking him.


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