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Mythras 04-15-2013 12:16 PM

What's the deal with Ryan Ellis?
 
I was a big fan when he played at the WJC, and I was sad Ottawa took Cowen over Ellis. I've tried to follow him here, but living in Ottawa means little coverage of Nashville. What's going on with him? Is he getting a fair shake as an offensive defenseman? Is he not playing up to potential? I'd love some views from regular Pred viewers.

Joe T Choker 04-15-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mythras (Post 63981841)
I was a big fan when he played at the WJC, and I was sad Ottawa took Cowen over Ellis. I've tried to follow him here, but living in Ottawa means little coverage of Nashville. What's going on with him? Is he getting a fair shake as an offensive defenseman? Is he not playing up to potential? I'd love some views from regular Pred viewers.

Terry Crisp pretty much called him a bottom pairing dman for life due to the fact he can't move any NHL sized forward from outside the crease when he's on the ice... that's pretty much what is going on with "The Human Rocketship"

glenngineer 04-15-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave is a killer (Post 63982101)
Terry Crisp pretty much called him a bottom pairing dman for life due to the fact he can't move any NHL sized forward from outside the crease when he's on the ice... that's pretty much what is going on with "The Human Rocketship"

If that's what Crisp said then the only NHL dman we have is Rinne since no one else seems to clear the crease for him.

triggrman 04-15-2013 01:34 PM

It's not that he's short, he's short, light and weak. He also doesn't have elite skating skills so he gets hit, a lot. His frame just isn't up to NHL standards.

MrJoshua 04-15-2013 02:01 PM

Meh, I don't buy all the negativity. He's still a kid and needs to put on a few more pounds, granted, but I think he has a bright future in front of him as a third-pairing d-man and powerplay specialist. I don't know that he'll ever be a top-four guy, but I think he'll be a solid defenseman with offensive flair.

deanwormer 04-15-2013 03:27 PM

Clearly undersized - even if he doesn't fill out much more he's gonna' have to get stronger. On O he's shown some good instincts and intelligence. He's basically in an A/B thing right now with Blum - both need protected minutes, both should be effective on PP. Ellis got the first half of the games and while he wasn't horrible, didn't shine, so Blum is getting the second half of the games and Ellis is getting to work on it at Milw.

TMI 04-15-2013 05:17 PM

Solution to Ryan Ellis's problem.

Nothing but intense core and leg work outs for the next year. When he can lie on his back and flip a car with his legs he's ready to go.

PFL615 04-15-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AtrickhayOrnqvistpay (Post 63984915)
If that's what Crisp said then the only NHL dman we have is Rinne since no one else seems to clear the crease for him.

Exactly... He is just this years whipping boy for Trotz.
He has a ton of skill and potential. If size truly was an issue be creative and try him out at a wing position.

Mythras 04-15-2013 08:29 PM

So if all goes well, should expect a M-A Bergeron-type player?

Top 6 Spaling 04-15-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mythras (Post 64015185)
So if all goes well, should expect a M-A Bergeron-type player?

That is the worst case scenario. He has proven that can be a very good PPQB, and even if he doens't progress at all, he is at least even with MAB. I think he will be significantly better.

kakemono 04-16-2013 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdManIn (Post 63998279)
Solution to Ryan Ellis's problem.

Nothing but intense core and leg work outs for the next year. When he can lie on his back and flip a car with his legs he's ready to go.

He can probably already do that - he does the Gary Roberts offseason training with guys like Stamkos.

sighthndlady 04-16-2013 03:16 PM

I haven't been particularly impressed with either Bartley or Ekholm. I think we'll see Ellis back come fall.

NoNecksCurse 04-16-2013 03:21 PM

i think ekholm will be here next fall. he looks pretty good to me

Byrddog 04-16-2013 03:24 PM

The basic problem with Ellis is size a team can work with one smallish defenseman but we have ben juggling two Blum and Ellis one needs to be moved. Each one has strengths to there game and can play in the league but not on the same team.

Seth Lake 04-16-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NoNecksCurse (Post 64057265)
i think ekholm will be here next fall. he looks pretty good to me

I agree. Ekholm has come a long way since his debut last season and that was evidenced by his game last night. He needs to continue building strength, but skates very well for a guy his size and was making simple plays to move the puck and even join the rush at times by reading the game. It really appeared to me last night that the game has slowed down for him and too believe he will be in Nashville next season.

deanwormer 04-16-2013 03:51 PM

There is room for both Eckholm and Bartley next year; but skillsy75 is gonna' be watching a lotta' hockey then.

Seth Lake 04-16-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrddog (Post 64057369)
The basic problem with Ellis is size a team can work with one smallish defenseman but we have ben juggling two Blum and Ellis one needs to be moved. Each one has strengths to there game and can play in the league but not on the same team.

Blum doesn't have the dynamic skill that Ellis has and the choice between the two is coming, but I believe both are role players in the next few years as they continue to develop, the question is which brings more to the table both now and in the long term? In that regard, I believe Ellis wins over Blum with his offensive upside...

jlsg 04-16-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SLake (Post 64058923)
Blum doesn't have the dynamic skill that Ellis has and the choice between the two is coming, but I believe both are role players in the next few years as they continue to develop, the question is which brings more to the table both now and in the long term? In that regard, I believe Ellis wins over Blum with his offensive upside...

I think he wins with general defensive play as well. As has been stated his only real weakness (literally) is size. He gets out muscled by the bigger forwards. And to his defense a smaller guy can play the position. He needs to add 10-15 lbs and learn to use it.

PredsV82 04-16-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by deanwormer (Post 64058765)
There is room for both Eckholm and Bartley next year; but skillsy75 is gonna' be watching a lotta' hockey then.

Gill was signed with the thought that we would be a contending team this year and next.

the events of this year make it more likely that next year will be a 'transition" season and so Im not sure that other than as a mentor to the young guys we will have much use for Gill

Im wondering if he will quietly ask for a trade this summer. If not he's a good 7th d man to have but kinda pricey.

The Zetterberg Era 04-16-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sighthndlady (Post 64057007)
I haven't been particularly impressed with either Bartley or Ekholm. I think we'll see Ellis back come fall.

Obviously not the NHL level, but Ekholm is the guy that impresses me the most when I get to see them all in Milwaukee. I think he is going to be really good.

Top 6 Spaling 04-16-2013 06:15 PM

I'd take Blum over Ellis. I think Ellis is a career 3rd pairing D that is good on the PP, but Blum can be a very solid 2nd pairing D. We've seen that. I also think Ellis has higher trade value.

They're close, but I'd trade Ellis. Just my opinion.

PFL615 04-16-2013 08:48 PM

Trade Blum. Ellis has shown more with the opportunities given. Him and Weber at the point on the power play could be very nasty. It's obvious teams have focused on Weber this year and it has affected the power play.

token grinder 04-16-2013 09:27 PM

Re: Elis, he is most often compared to rafalski, or rather what rafalski became. Rafalski was damn near 26-27 when he finally was able to break in with NJ. He needed alot of seasoning and played 4-5 years overseas after college. I think we are too quick to judge development here.

one concern I have overall is the amount of youth on this team. Too young does not win. look at Edmonton. Does Rinne-Weber-Fisher-and the rest of the core have enough grit and resiliency to handle a lineup next year with 2-3 young dmen and 4-5 young young forwards-(pick, FF, beck, bourque?)

adsfan 04-16-2013 10:18 PM

Ellis had 2 assists tonight. He played well.

Phototropic 04-17-2013 07:37 AM

I've been surprised in that Blum looks better to me on the PP than Ellis. Blum moves the puck quicker and has a very quick slapshot from the point. As talented as Ellis is offensively, he seems to have a lot of difficulty getting shots off and deciding to shoot instead of passing up opportunities.

I'd agree with those who would prefer to only keep one of the two.


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