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ViD 04-16-2013 09:44 PM

Sergey Bobrovsky
 
Obviously, only hypothetical idea as he is untouchable at the moment, but what would your team give up to get Bob out of the Jackets? What's he worth currently?

Vankiller Whale 04-16-2013 09:47 PM

I think he's worth a lot more to Columbus than he would be other teams. Columbus shouldn't trade their MVP by a mile, and other teams might be afraid to give up too much value in case he pulls a Steve Mason.

stevo61 04-16-2013 09:49 PM

He is currently worth a nice contract extension from Columbus.

Also it's Sergei

ViD 04-16-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo61 (Post 64083977)
He is currently worth a nice contract extension from Columbus

yeah, that's a given

palindrom 04-16-2013 09:51 PM

Schneider + 1st.

Vancouver get a goalie upgrade for a playoff run.

And Schneider become Colombus starter.

stevo61 04-16-2013 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 64084323)
Schneider + 1st.

Vancouver get a goalie upgrade for a playoff run.

And Schneider become Colombus starter.

This may start a war...

palindrom 04-16-2013 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo61 (Post 64084641)
This may start a war...

Then each camp is well armed....But Vancouver fans count among them more war veterans.

stevo61 04-16-2013 10:05 PM

Vancouver fan: No way Vancouver makes this trade, I wouldnt trade Schneider for Bobrovsky alone. Schneider is more proven and as good or a better goalie.

Columbus fan: Bobrovsky is just as proven and putting up a bit better but similar numbers on a lesser team. Also is 3 years younger.

Vancover fan: Thats debatable, we'll just keep Schneider and our 1st.

Columbus fan: Sounds good.

Then everyone hugs and says have a nice day

palindrom 04-16-2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo61 (Post 64086143)
Vancouver fan: No way Vancouver makes this trade, I wouldnt trade Schneider for Bobrovsky alone. Schneider is more proven and as good or a better goalie.

Columbus fan: Bobrovsky is just as proven and putting up a bit better but similar numbers on a lesser team. Also is 3 years younger.

Vancover fan: Thats debatable, we'll just keep Schneider and our 1st.

Columbus fan: Sounds good.

Then everyone hugs and says have a nice day

Pacifist!

palindrom 04-16-2013 10:12 PM

Price for Brobovsky straight up?

McBaevid 04-16-2013 10:27 PM

Tough to gage his value without him showing he can be an elite goalie again next year.

palindrom 04-16-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gritzky98 (Post 64089165)
Tough to gage his value without him showing he can be an elite goalie again next year.

Brobovsky did a good job in 2010-2011 as a 22yo starter with 54gp and .915%.


Is this elite number? I will let you judge, but for comparison .915% is Carey Price career saves %.

TSA0402 04-16-2013 11:33 PM

Nobody is going to give the value for Bobrovsky that Columbus fans think he is worth.

If not for him, Columbus is close to a lottery team. They are a playoff team now, pretty big difference.

palindrom 04-17-2013 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TSA0402 (Post 64095929)
Nobody is going to give the value for Bobrovsky that Columbus fans think he is worth.

If not for him, Columbus is close to a lottery team. They are a playoff team now, pretty big difference.

do you think if Bob was the starter for a current lottery team (Florida, Colorado, Calgary, Carolina or Nashville) their team would be fighting for the playoff ?

Sergei Shirokov 04-17-2013 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 64084323)
Schneider + 1st.

Vancouver get a goalie upgrade for a playoff run.

And Schneider become Colombus starter.

:shakehead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gritzky98 (Post 64089165)
Tough to gage his value without him showing he can be an elite goalie again next year.

This.

I hope Bobrovsky can continue this, I'm a fan of his. But with any player that is having great success in this shortened season, I think we need to see something over a full season before claiming him proven as elite.

TSA0402 04-17-2013 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 64102951)
do you think if Bob was the starter for a current lottery team (Florida, Colorado, Calgary, Carolina or Nashville) their team would be fighting for the playoff ?

If any of those teams had a goalie with a .930 SV %, what do you think...

and to answer your question, Im not sure, havent watched those teams enough to honestly answer. But the speculation is there.

palindrom 04-17-2013 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sergei Shirokov (Post 64105905)
:shakehead



This.

I hope Bobrovsky can continue this, I'm a fan of his. But with any player that is having great success in this shortened season, I think we need to see something over a full season before claiming him proven as elite.

I hope it apply to Schneider as well. Especially with Schneider having less NHL experience than Bobrovsky.

And Brobovsky did prove something by being a starter for a full season with the Flyers at 22yo in 2010-2011.

palindrom 04-17-2013 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TSA0402 (Post 64106269)
If any of those teams had a goalie with a .930 SV %, what do you think...

and to answer your question, Im not sure, havent watched those teams enough to honestly answer. But the speculation is there.

Nashville have Rinne.

Rinne alone is not enough to bring Nashville out of the bottom 5, but Bobrovsky could?

Vokoun in 2008-2009 and 2009-2010 had a saves % of .926 and .925

Florida was still a bottom 5 team.

and Bobbrosky isn't a .930% goalie. No goalies in the entire NHL history can be qualified of being a .930% goalie as none of them was able to maintain this saves % average for their entire career.

TSA0402 04-17-2013 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 64106323)
Nashville have Rinne.

Rinne alone is not enough to bring Nashville out of the bottom 5, but Bobrovsky could?

Are you saying Nashville is better than Columbus. History would disagree with you. Is one man, a defensive d-man that important. It is a team game, after all. Not an nba jam session.

my whole point is there is alot of speculation that yes, if these teams had better goaltending they might be closer to contenders. If Bob was closer to .900 Columbus would be looking at Seth Jones.

palindrom 04-17-2013 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TSA0402 (Post 64106485)
Are you saying Nashville is better than Columbus. History would disagree with you. Is one man, a defensive d-man that important. It is a team game, after all. Not an nba jam session.

my whole point is there is alot of speculation that yes, if these teams had better goaltending they might be closer to contenders. If Bob was closer to .900 Columbus would be looking at Seth Jones.

What i mean is, if an elite goalie like Rinne isn't enough to make the difference and bring his team out of the bottom 5, i doubt Bobrovsky could make any bottom 5 team instantly fighting for the playoff.

TSA0402 04-17-2013 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 64106611)
What i mean is, if an elite goalie like Rinne isn't enough to make the difference and bring his team out of the bottom 5, i doubt Bobrovsky could make any bottom 5 team instantly fighting for the playoff.

Are you saying that, on paper Nashville has as good of a team as Colorado...

Sergei Shirokov 04-17-2013 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 64106281)
I hope it apply to Schneider as well. Especially with Schneider having less NHL experience than Bobrovsky.

And Brobovsky did prove something by being a starter for a full season with the Flyers at 22yo in 2010-2011.

Schneider has proven more than this.

If you haven't noticed he has had outstanding numbers and been oustanding for the last 3 seasons.

palindrom 04-17-2013 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TSA0402 (Post 64106669)
Are you saying that, on paper Nashville has as good of a team as Colorado...

What i am saying is in the past few year we hear many Nashville fans saying "without Rinne, our team is a bottom 5 team."

Well, with Rinne this season they are so far a Bottom 5 teams.

I have hear the same thing in 2010-2011 about Carey Price..guess what, in 2011-2012, with Carey Price, Montreal had one of their worst season in history.

Of course an elite goalie have a positive impact for a team, but i dont think this impact is as much as 15 points in a full season vs an average goalie (Remember that starter usually play around 45-65 games and that the "average goalies" are pretty good nowadays.)

palindrom 04-17-2013 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sergei Shirokov (Post 64106719)
Schneider has proven more than this.

If you haven't noticed he has had outstanding numbers and been oustanding for the last 3 seasons.

He still never been a starter for a full season as did Bobrovsky. And Schneider faced a below average offensive opposition in the past few years. (As a backup playing in a low scoring division.)

We can see the impact of being a starter in a more offensive division had on a Lindback.

Also for what it worth, Bob have experience as a starter in the KHL. While Schneider was so so in swiss.

TheTechNoir 04-17-2013 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 64089669)
Brobovsky did a good job in 2010-2011 as a 22yo starter with 54gp and .915%.


Is this elite number? I will let you judge, but for comparison .915% is Carey Price career saves %.

Not saying I disagree with you or not, simply making a comment. In '10-'11 Philly's defense was actually good. Quite good in fact, had pronger played the whole year it was an upgrade from the previous season, in which their top-4 d alone carried the team to game 6 of the stanley cup finals. They may have won the cup if they had a 5th and 6th d-man that was a decent 3rd string defender, instead they had scrubs by AHL standards and the wear of having them only playing very tiny minutes over the entire playoffs got the best of the top-4 eventually. So just pointing out if anyone isn't aware and assumes (justifiably so) that Philly had ****** defense that year, they didn't.


I love Bobrovsky though. I agree, I have doubt that Bob could make any bottom-5 team fight for a playoff position. Also it remains to be seen whether or not he has it in him to handle the pressures of the playoffs. Perhaps he will, perhaps he won't. Don't know yet. But he has proven a decent amount in regular season play, would definitely still like him to be in PHI. Loved him since the pre-season of '10.

As for bob for scheinder + 1st, that's ridiculous.


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