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Any Colour You Like 04-18-2013 10:16 PM

2013-14 Lines Discussion Thread
 
Let's keep it all in one place here for the sake of my OCD and the sanity of the moderating faithful.

I don't think Pirri's ever going to get a fair shot here in Chicago. If Stalberg ends up elsewhere I think we package Bolland and Frolik to upgrade at C and open up a roster spot for LeBlanc (possibly, if he re-signs, if not someone like him).

HockeySensible 04-19-2013 02:04 PM

Pirri will get a shot in training camp next year. LeBlanc will be resigned. Any moves that will be made will depend on how the playoffs play out.

Saad - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Pirri - Hossa
Morin - Bolland - Shaw
Carcillo - Kruger - Smith
Bollig

Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Hjalmarsson
Oduya - Brookbank
Stanton

Crawford
Emery/UFA

IU Hawks fan 04-19-2013 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossTheBoss (Post 64264229)
Pirri will get a shot in training camp next year. LeBlanc will be resigned. Any moves that will be made will depend on how the playoffs play out.

Saad - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Pirri - Hossa
Morin - Bolland - Shaw
Carcillo - Kruger - Smith
Bollig

Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Hjalmarsson
Oduya - Brookbank
Stanton

Crawford
Emery/UFA

that's still a Cup contending lineup, IMO.

HockeySensible 04-20-2013 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IU Hawks fan (Post 64274935)
that's still a Cup contending lineup, IMO.

You could even make the argument that, that team, could be better than this year's team.

If Pirri can come in a solidify the 2nd line centre "hole", and post 15-20G, and 40-50Pts, then I think it's safe to say that team would be better. The biggest question would be the replacement of Bickell/Stalberg.. but with Morin, J.Hayes, Smith, Kruger (bigger role), Shaw (to the wing), McNeill, Danault, Sauve (potentially), I doubt Chicago would have much problem doing so. Someone could be available via FA as well.

Sevanston 04-20-2013 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossTheBoss (Post 64264229)
Pirri will get a shot in training camp next year. LeBlanc will be resigned. Any moves that will be made will depend on how the playoffs play out.

Saad - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Pirri - Hossa
Morin - Bolland - Shaw
Carcillo - Kruger - Smith
Bollig

Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Hjalmarsson
Oduya - Brookbank
Stanton

Crawford
Emery/UFA

I think Handzus will stay as well, but I like this lineup a lot.

For all of the flak I've given Bolland this year, if he can manage to return to his old self on the 3rd line, all Pirri would have to do is match Dave's lackluster play on the second line this year and that's a deeper lineup down the middle.

It's not like Dave has set the bar for a 2C very high at all, so Pirri should have almost no problem pulling that off.

BronYrAur 04-20-2013 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossTheBoss (Post 64264229)
Pirri will get a shot in training camp next year. LeBlanc will be resigned. Any moves that will be made will depend on how the playoffs play out.

Saad - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Pirri - Hossa
Morin - Bolland - Shaw
Carcillo - Kruger - Smith
Bollig

Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Hjalmarsson
Oduya - Brookbank
Stanton

Crawford
Emery/UFA

Yeah that looks fine with me, though IMO they will keep Frolik or re-sign Bickell and perhaps re-sign Handzus. Pirri/Morin/Smith are probably ready but I don't think we will see them all up to start the season.

But if Pirri can hack it that top 6 looks outstanding.

Bubba88 04-20-2013 06:26 PM

Hoss, I like that you include Sauve as outside chance. Guy was on the verge of making the Bruins teams in the past but injury held him back.

HockeySensible 04-20-2013 06:35 PM

I've too thought the Hawks might resign Handzus. As I believe I posted in another thread, it will depend on how the playoffs shake up. If things go well, I could definitely see the Hawks resigning him. He seems to like it in Chicago, and he must know he won't get a significantly larger role on another team at this point in his career.

Bubba88 04-20-2013 06:59 PM

depends on what he is asking for and what other teams may want to offer. They see he still can keep up with our team

BronYrAur 04-20-2013 07:52 PM

Definitely don't think Handzus would play every game of 82-game season (even if healthy) on the Hawks, though. He is a guy who would need some maintenance days in order to keep pace on this team. Would he be ok with that?

HockeySensible 04-20-2013 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BronYrAur (Post 64346913)
Definitely don't think Handzus would play every game of 82-game season (even if healthy) on the Hawks, though. He is a guy who would need some maintenance days in order to keep pace on this team. Would he be ok with that?

I don't see why he wouldn't be. As long as he plays his role well, he'll be there when the games really matter. I have a funny feeling Roszival knew he would platoon during the regular season, and he still signed.

Blackhawkswincup 04-21-2013 01:47 PM

Longshot scenario but hey Philly makes moves every summer

- Promote Pirri + Morin + Hayes or Smith
- Promote Dahlbeck or re-sign Stanton as #7 dman
- Re-sign Leddy (2.35M) + Kruger (1.35M)
- Sign affordable backup (Theodore type) at 1M or so
- Trade Clendening + Brookbank to Flyers for Coburn (4.5M cap hit) (Add mid level prospects or picks if needed from Hawks)
- Trade Frolik for pick/prospect (Though I am open to moving Bolland first)

Saad-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Pirri-Hossa
Morin-Bolland-Shaw
Carcillo-Kruger-Hayes or Smith
(Bollig)

Keith-Seabrook
Hjalmarsson-Leddy
Oduya-Coburn
(Dahlbeck/Stanton)

Crawford
UFA


Coburn had bad year for Flyers and they need a PMD type young dman (Have for a while). Price cap wise is pricey (4.5M) but he would provide security should Hjalmarsson depart in 2014 summer

Like I said longshot but Flyers are missing playoffs this year and there GM always does baffling things

HockeySensible 04-21-2013 01:52 PM

No to taking on Coburn to be the a 3rd pairing Dman. We don't need 6 top-4 Dmen.

Bubba88 04-21-2013 04:36 PM

why sign Theodore and not just Emery? Will he really get more than 1.5 as UFA?

here come the 04-21-2013 10:27 PM

Why is everyone so keen to bring up Pirri? If he was good enough to be the number 2 center why wouldn't he be in the NHL now? There's just no way he is better than Kruger, probably not even Shaw. Points in the AHL are beyond meaningless indicators of NHL success

Any Colour You Like 04-21-2013 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubba88 (Post 64397159)
why sign Theodore and not just Emery? Will he really get more than 1.5 as UFA?

If he makes more than 1.3 there's no room for him and we have to go with a guy like Theodore, who I, to be quite honest, wouldn't mind all that much. He's a lefty with a goal to his name, I like it. :laugh:

Blackhawkswincup 04-21-2013 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by here come the (Post 64421345)
Why is everyone so keen to bring up Pirri? If he was good enough to be the number 2 center why wouldn't he be in the NHL now? There's just no way he is better than Kruger, probably not even Shaw. Points in the AHL are beyond meaningless indicators of NHL success

Because it is time he gets his chance

If he doesn't get chance and run with it then he needs to be traded while he still has value

Also there is no #2 C option on team for next year and doubt the Hawks trade for one

HockeySensible 04-21-2013 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by here come the (Post 64421345)
Why is everyone so keen to bring up Pirri? If he was good enough to be the number 2 center why wouldn't he be in the NHL now? There's just no way he is better than Kruger, probably not even Shaw. Points in the AHL are beyond meaningless indicators of NHL success

I've been one of Pirri's biggest detractors, but he's clearly taken the next step offensive. He was far more consistent this year than last and one could legitimately make the argument at this point, that Pirri might actually be able to out-score his defensive short-comings - something you couldn't say a year or ago.

Pirri's biggest problem has been his less than stellar defensive player, and it's been compounded by the fact he's a centre. He doesn't need to be a Selke winner, but he needs to be competent. I'm not confident, at this point, that he is competent defensively - yet, but I'm a lot more confident now, after his season and the way that it ended, that he might be able to out-score his lack of defensive awareness/skill.

EbonyRaptor 04-21-2013 11:18 PM

Saad-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Pirri-Hossa
Bickell-Shaw-Stalberg
Morin-Kruger-Smith

Bolland & Frolik traded for picks/prospects

HockeySensible 04-21-2013 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EbonyRaptor (Post 64425475)
Saad-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Pirri-Hossa
Bickell-Shaw-Stalberg
Morin-Kruger-Smith

Bolland & Frolik traded for picks/prospects

How does trading Bolland for picks help Chicago in any way?

Blackhawkswincup 04-21-2013 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossTheBoss (Post 64426069)
How does trading Bolland for picks help Chicago in any way?

Getting rid of your worst forward is never a bad thing

HockeySensible 04-21-2013 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 64426107)
Getting rid of your worst forward is never a bad thing

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltw9xfJCHs1qafrh6.gif

Kurtosis 04-22-2013 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossTheBoss (Post 64426069)
How does trading Bolland for picks help Chicago in any way?

Obviously it clears space for Bickell/Stalberg.

HockeySensible 04-22-2013 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurtosis (Post 64428203)
Obviously it clears space for Bickell/Stalberg.

Oh yeah, they don't suck and need to get paid. My bad.

Still, Bolland's more important to the team than Stalberg or Bickell. Quality seasons in contract years don't change that.

here come the 04-22-2013 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossTheBoss (Post 64423873)
I've been one of Pirri's biggest detractors, but he's clearly taken the next step offensive. He was far more consistent this year than last and one could legitimately make the argument at this point, that Pirri might actually be able to out-score his defensive short-comings - something you couldn't say a year or ago.

Pirri's biggest problem has been his less than stellar defensive player, and it's been compounded by the fact he's a centre. He doesn't need to be a Selke winner, but he needs to be competent. I'm not confident, at this point, that he is competent defensively - yet, but I'm a lot more confident now, after his season and the way that it ended, that he might be able to out-score his lack of defensive awareness/skill.

All fair points, but why did they let Kruger play center when Bolland was hurt then? Shaw was promoted in front of him, Hayes and Morin too. I just feel like if they had this high hopes for the kid he would have gotten a shot. Q likes centers that are really sound defensively and that's Pirri's biggest weakness. I just wouldn't feel comfortable with him matched up against guys like Richards and Kesler, they'd eat him alive in his own zone. I guess I just don't see it, but he might be given a shot. I'd like the Hawks to let Bicks go, keep Stals, and throw Ben Smith on the third line. Kid can play, has some size, just hope his brain isn't too mush after all his concussions


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