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Schalkenullvier* 04-20-2013 03:28 PM

Will NHL teams start wearing new jerseys every season?
 
European football teams change their home, away and 3rd jerseys basically every season or every second season. That can be a complete change, or for clubs who have a histoic jerseys, almost the same design with a little update. It makes them more money from fans always wanting to have a current jersey.

You guys think NHL teams will go down the same route in the future?

CookieCrumbs* 04-20-2013 03:30 PM

No I don't.

Schalkenullvier* 04-20-2013 03:36 PM

damn this was supposed to go to the business forum, could a mod please move?

Killion 04-20-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Schalkenullvier (Post 64334039)
damn this was supposed to go to the business forum, could a mod please move?

Well maybe not, it sort of transcends business & history in blending the two.... the Leafs are a good example of this as they dig into the past bringing back retro 3rd jerseys in order to remain relevant. When you suck as badly as they have for eons, no great shakes in the here & now, nothing really all that promising to look forward to in the future, you package the product in the garb of the past & I guess just hope people will imagine thats actually Dave Keon out there instead of.... go out & buy a 67 Leaf jersey, mebbe a 63 version, whatever. So sure, ya, the 06'rs and those that have been around for 30-40yrs can always dip into the past in order to move merchandise or in some cases just completely go for a complete re-do every other year... like the Canucks... and they still havent got it right.... I dont know if its deliberate or just bad taste, no fashion sense whatsoever. Like, whats with the Vancouver over the logo? People dont know that thats where the teams from? Just looks so collegiate, amateurish. And I guess if guys like Yormark in Florida ever get their way with plastering sponsor logo's on jerseys, then for sure every 2yrs or so as sponsors come & go, gotta get a new one.

Stonewall 04-20-2013 04:11 PM

Yeah, they'll change the Official Jersey Ads every season. :baghead:

Killion 04-20-2013 04:20 PM

Here for example are next years Winter Classic jerseys;

http://i47.tinypic.com/y165x.jpg

Note how they messed up first the number fonts on the jerseys, the block lettering far more appropriate on the Wings than the Leafs uni. Then on both theyve added tie downs at the neck. That vintage Leaf sweater wasnt a tie-down, nor did it have the added white shoulder flashing. The Detroit jersey meanwhile is just bizarre. A hybrid Detroit Cougars / Wings dealeo, the lettering - Detroit - destroying the beauty & simplicity of one of the nicest logo's in pro-sports (the script font lettering matched by the silly script numbers). Forget that they never used a tie-down. Yet whatdya' wanna bet they just fly off the racks? To me they both look like something some needle house in China would mass produce & wholesale through discount retailers like Wal Mart avoiding NHL Enterprises altogether in paying licensing fee's, some sort of stupid looking knock-off just close enough to "real" to satisfy budget strapped consumers. Like "Wow, Look, just $19.95". :shakehead

Hoser 04-20-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Killion (Post 64336165)
Here for example are next years Winter Classic jerseys;

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Note how they messed up first the number fonts on the jerseys, the block lettering far more appropriate on the Wings than the Leafs uni. Then on both theyve added tie downs at the neck. That vintage Leaf sweater wasnt a tie-down, nor did it have the added white shoulder flashing. The Detroit jersey meanwhile is just bizarre. A hybrid Detroit Cougars / Wings dealeo, the lettering - Detroit - destroying the beauty & simplicity of one of the nicest logo's in pro-sports (the script font lettering matched by the silly script numbers). Forget that they never used a tie-down. Yet whatdya' wanna bet they just fly off the racks? To me they both look like something some needle house in China would mass produce & wholesale through discount retailers like Wal Mart avoiding NHL Enterprises altogether in paying licensing fee's, some sort of stupid looking knock-off just close enough to "real" to satisfy budget strapped consumers. Like "Wow, Look, just $19.95". :shakehead

The lettering on the Red Wings jersey emulates the numbering they had in the '82-'83 season:

http://pics.classicauctions.net/clas..._383_41325.jpg

Anyway, I agree with your main point. It's preposterous that two of the oldest hockey clubs in the world are manufacturing "fauxback" (faux throwback) sweaters.

Stephen 04-20-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Killion (Post 64336165)
Here for example are next years Winter Classic jerseys;

http://i47.tinypic.com/y165x.jpg

Note how they messed up first the number fonts on the jerseys, the block lettering far more appropriate on the Wings than the Leafs uni. Then on both theyve added tie downs at the neck. That vintage Leaf sweater wasnt a tie-down, nor did it have the added white shoulder flashing. The Detroit jersey meanwhile is just bizarre. A hybrid Detroit Cougars / Wings dealeo, the lettering - Detroit - destroying the beauty & simplicity of one of the nicest logo's in pro-sports (the script font lettering matched by the silly script numbers). Forget that they never used a tie-down. Yet whatdya' wanna bet they just fly off the racks? To me they both look like something some needle house in China would mass produce & wholesale through discount retailers like Wal Mart avoiding NHL Enterprises altogether in paying licensing fee's, some sort of stupid looking knock-off just close enough to "real" to satisfy budget strapped consumers. Like "Wow, Look, just $19.95". :shakehead

I agree with the spirit of your post, but the Leafs jersey is actually a historic jersey minus the tie collar, since there's two versions of that jersey, though the numbering doesn't match that particular version of the jersey:

http://www.nhluniforms.com/MapleLeaf...pleLeafs04.png

http://www.nhluniforms.com/MapleLeaf...pleLeafs01.png

I love the historic logo but I'm not too crazy about the insane striping.

Stephen 04-20-2013 08:22 PM

Anyway, teams already do change their uniforms every couple of years already.

Killion 04-20-2013 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 64354543)
I agree with the spirit of your post... I love the historic logo but I'm not too crazy about the insane striping.

I think if your a dyed-in-wool Leaf or Wings fan you'd have to agree with me. The idea of a Fauxback (nifty term btw) is really pretty heretical. I mean, c'mon here? What the hecks wrong with playing it straight & being authentic? Both clubs have excellent jerseys from the past upon which to draw without any alterations please & thank you.... and ya, I often wondered as a kid at the Gardens in the 60's why the Leafs had those funny lookin multi-multi-multi striped socks goin on there. Wasnt until I saw those early version jerseys that the tumblers clicked. :)

BubbaBoot 04-20-2013 10:58 PM

For the sake of merchandising I'm surprised it's not done more often....but for the life of me I can't understand why soccer and hockey jersey's are so big in sales. They're essentially just billboards for some corporate entity that buys the space for the season.

It's too bad because there are some very good logos over there. It just sucks that they seem to be dwarfed, relegated to some area near the shoulder while some thieving bank or whatever has the prime real estate in the front.

I mean seriously:

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files...al_crest_b.gif

-or-

http://epltalk.com/wp-content/upload...away-shirt.jpg

- and before that-

http://www.aworldofsoccer.com/jersey..._2005_home.jpg

- and even farther back -

http://76.my/Malaysia/arsenal-home-j...sweet666@2.jpg

I mean, do these jersey's show anything about being "Gunners"?

SashaSemin28 04-20-2013 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BubbaBoot (Post 64366941)
It's too bad because there are some very good logos over there. It just sucks that they seem to be dwarfed, relegated to some area near the shoulder while some thieving bank or whatever has the prime real estate in the front.

Im not sure if part of this post was sarcastic or not, but in football, over the course of history, rarely has the teams emblem been anywhere but the left hand side of the shirt, its always been like that and if there was a giant version of the logo in the middle instead of the left, there would be mass outcry, it is historic, it should not be changed, ever,

BubbaBoot 04-20-2013 11:15 PM

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Oh yeah? Really doesn't seem quite the same, now does it?

SashaSemin28 04-20-2013 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BubbaBoot (Post 64367855)
Oh yeah? Really doesn't seem quite the same, now does it?

IN FOOTBALL, teams had the emblem on the left of the damn shirt before sponsorship >_>

BubbaBoot 04-20-2013 11:21 PM

So now they're all corporate ******, it's a shame.

BubbaBoot 04-20-2013 11:23 PM

The MLS is getting into the same trap.

This is the Portland Timbers jersey:

http://seattlest.com/attachments/aus...mls-jersey.jpg

Advertising Alaska Airlines?

The NE Revs now have an insurance company logo on their chest....it's pathetic.

SashaSemin28 04-20-2013 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BubbaBoot (Post 64368137)
So now they're all corporate ******, it's a shame.

money talks, it is a shame tbh

BubbaBoot 04-20-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SashaSemin28 (Post 64368255)
money talks, it is a shame tbh

That's the point. I mean, what if Depends Diapers or Ex-Lax were the main sponsor? I remember when their was a weed chemical company sponsored one of the college football bowl games for a while...."Welcome back to the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl game!" Doesn't quite have a dignified ring too it, eh?

Killion 04-21-2013 12:05 AM

Detroit Red Wings, "presented by... Amway"... Anaheim Ducks, "presented by.... Dollar Loan Centres".... just a matter of time before these logo's start appearing on Wings & Ducks jerseys, small patch upper left chest or shoulder, on helmets. Kids & adults alike requiring a new, updated version every couple of years as its "tweaked". Theres just too much money in it for this league to turn a blind eye, suddenly start showing any integrity in that regard. I mean honestly, who in their right mind signs deals with Amway or a short term money lender that charges usury interest rates?... anyhoo, carry on. Something for the kids to look forward to I s'pose.

Theokritos 04-21-2013 06:52 AM

Logos never played a much more prominent part on Football Jerseys, even before there were ads:

Ajax Amsterdam:
http://perlbal.hi-pi.com/blog-images...-Amsterdam.jpg

Bayern Munich:
http://www.merkur-online.de/bilder/2...blick-2c09.jpg

Arsenal FC:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qcu0JoakXQ...AL+1978-79.jpg

Real Madrid:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln...mbqo1_1280.jpg

AC Milan:
http://storiedicalcio.altervista.org...n_1980-81_.jpg

DJ Man 04-21-2013 09:13 AM

When we were kids playing little league baseball, the uniforms all carried the name of a contributing sponsor, so you'd play with GRIMES CHEVROLET or RENDLOVITCH FUNERAL HOME or LOYAL MOOSE 441 on your back.

We all used to dream of having an austere number there, or maybe just OUR name!

Killion 04-21-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Theokritos (Post 64376459)
Logos never played a much more prominent part on Football Jerseys, even before there were ads:

Ya, it was more then & really still is "The Colours". A sort of throwback to Napoleonic times. Brigade, Division or Regimental colours if you will. Actual badging not quite as important but important none the less in signifying rank. Cresting smaller, far less obtrusive until sponsorships entered the arena in a big way. Sharp, Fosters etc. The revenues those firms bring in beyond substantial, generally fully integrated campaigns, the jersey I.D. but one component of a multi-pronged campaign. Things like scarves, caps, banners & flags logo free huge sellers.... or hilariously, the suggestion that in order to get youth in Football crazy enclaves to practice safe sex, condom manufacturers should put club logo's on their "product", including Adidas & Nike, LG or whatever sponsor might be attached to Chelsea, ManU or whatever.

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Originally Posted by DJ Man (Post 64378709)
When we were kids playing little league baseball, the uniforms all carried the name of a contributing sponsor, so you'd play with GRIMES CHEVROLET or RENDLOVITCH FUNERAL HOME or LOYAL MOOSE 441 on your back. We all used to dream of having an austere number there, or maybe just OUR name!

Its interesting. Frankly with hockey, the NHL, I'd prefer they actually turn the clock way back & actually eliminate player names on the jerseys altogether. When they were first mandated, I didnt like it, as I felt aesthetically it junked them up. I knew, most people knew who a number 1, 4, 6, 9, 16, 27, 30 or 35 etc was on every team. It also subtly raised the question of "whats more important, the logo on the front or the name on the back"?. Harold Ballard and I actually agreed about this, as hilariously he rebelled when ordered by the NHL to comply, putting the names on the back in white lettering on the Leafs white jerseys, in blue on their blue jerseys. Obviously you couldnt read them properly but hey, "names on the back of the jerseys". Anyhoo, the NHL started fining him for every game that he didnt fix it so obviously that didnt last long, but at least he'd made his point.... sadly though, I do believe sponsor I.D. will be finding its way on to jerseys, small & unobtrusive at first but once those floodgates are opened, Lookout Lucy.

Theokritos 04-21-2013 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Killion (Post 64380605)
Ya, it was more then & really still is "The Colours". A sort of throwback to Napoleonic times. Brigade, Division or Regimental colours if you will.

That's a great & very original comparison. Now that I think about it, the Italian term for team is "squadra" and in Russian it's "команда/Komanda", both of which are also common in a military context and have a corresponding connotation.

The colours play a very prominent role in Football fan culture:

FC Barcelona:
http://www.barcelonafootballblog.com...Nou-Colors.jpg

Borussia Dortmund:
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...-5041-bear.jpg

AC Milan:
http://www.serieamania.net/acmilan/w...an_ovunque.jpg

Fluminense Rio de Janeiro:
http://www.shafir.info/shafir_images...inthians_1.jpg

Peņarol Montevideo:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/681/15zjdsl.jpg

Killion 04-21-2013 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Theokritos (Post 64412347)
That's a great & very original comparison. Now that I think about it, the Italian term for team is "squadra" and in Russian it's "команда/Komanda", both of which are also common in a military context and have a corresponding connotation.

Thanks, but I cant take any credit for that being my own "original thought" or analogy. Its recognized by sports historians that much of the pageantry, the rules of conduct & play, pretty much all of it in any given sport can trace its lineage back to militaristic precepts of one kind or another. For example each Regiment has a Colour Bearer or Colour Guard, the Regimental Colours & Crest mounted on a stanchion & carried into battle at the front of the lines. If you "lost the colours" and lived it was considered a disgrace, heres a loaded flintlock pistol, go on out behind the tent there and do the honourable thing. If you captured the enemies Colours, even a lowly Private, fame & fortune awaited upon your return to native lands. Within a Regiment, they took great pride in their Colours as being representative of their homelands, of courage & honour. Goes way back to the times of Heraldry, of Mercenaries (much as one might refer to an UFA in hockey following the money) or those "Loyal to the Colours" (an UFA who signs for less to retire in the Bruins Black & Gold for eg) and so on & so forth. Colours touch people on primal subconscious & conscious levels, a considerable weight of mythology, lore & tradition invoked by its spectrum's & hues. Some ancient, some more modern, some contemporary, some all 3. Military/Sport connection synonymous, analogous on a great many levels. "Going into Battle". All that sort of thing. Growing up in Toronto tail end of "Major" Conn Smythes era, the Gardens resembling really a fancy indoor Parade Ground, the entire culture of the Leafs entirely military, pretty hard to ignore, not make the connections.

DJ Man 04-22-2013 05:55 PM

Names on the back -- short names, long names -- make a uniform less, well, less uniform.

They also make the numerals smaller and harder to read.


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