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lonewolfsx 04-25-2013 05:34 PM

More flex... intermediate vs senior + cap?
 
Hey everyone, I'm new here but I've been cruising as a guest for a long time. Anyway, I'm about to move and join my first adult rookie-league type team. Most of my questions are reasonably well answered, but I have some regarding sticks before I dive in.

I've been using Easton SY50's for several years now, they are higher-end wood sticks and I'm pretty fond of the Hall curve that is available on them. I am having two problems with these sticks though, and as I plan to purchase at least 3 one-piece composite sticks solely for ice, I hope to solve these issues the best I can. I'll break it down:

Issue 1: The SY50's are too short for me. I'm 6'2, and these sticks are 58", so they are probably around 2" under my chin in skates. I know senior sticks generally measure about 60", but I was thinking I may need an end plug of maybe 2 inches or so. So say I get a stick at 85 flex, will adding 2 inches to it lower that flex value to say, 80? Everyone talks about cutting down a stick which raises the flex value but I can't find an authoritative answer here.

Issue 2: I weigh about 160lb, but was 150lb probably 6 months ago before I really started a rigorous muscle-building gym routine. My goal is to top out around 175-180 if possible, but that's a little ways down the road. Anyway, the sticks I have now are 95 flex, which is way too high for me... I have no issues lifting wrist shots, snap shots, or rebounds but I do have some trouble achieve the flex I need to really snap up a one timer or slap shot consistently. I know technique is very important here, but I can't help but feel like a lower flex would help me out a bit. So, I've read about some players using intermediate sticks with plugs in them to get lower flex values. Since I will most likely have to add an end plug into even a senior length stick, what would you recommend to me to do? Senior 85 flex with an end plug, or Intermediate 75 or whatever with a longer plug? Or do they make Senior length sticks with lower flexes? The lowest I have seen is a Bauer with a 77 flex but on a mid-high end model. The lower end models all start at 85/87. I'm not really willing to dump $180 per stick just to "try out" a low flex at this stage of my hockey "career."

So in short, I'm 6'2 160lb, have a relatively low budget (looking at sticks like the Mako M1 for $70), and can't decide between senior 85 flex and trying to lower it to 80 or intermediate 75 flex and trying to lengthen the stick (which may turn it into a noodle..). Thoughts?

Side question: Are the next-level-up from entry-level sticks worth the extra cash? I.E. Mako M1 for $70 or M2 for $100, is the M2 worth the $30 durability wise?

Jarick 04-25-2013 05:44 PM

Welcome!

I would recommend checking out the stick buying guide in the sticky up top. It would answer most of your questions, but I'll give you my ten cents...

- IMO wood sticks lack performance and don't flex properly, composite gives much better performance.

- Intermediates will be too short for you...at 6'2 I would recommend 85 flex BUT you could certainly try 75 flex and maybe that's where you feel more comfortable.

- Entry level sticks are not worth it at all. The $100-115 range is pretty much the minimum to get any performance and puck feel out of a stick.

- Last year's model sticks can often be found on clearance giving you way better performance for the money.

- Another option is to buy a tapered shaft and some wood blades to try different curves, but this is becoming less economical as companies phase them out.

What curve do you use and are you left or right handed?

lonewolfsx 04-25-2013 06:34 PM

I did read the sticky a few times, tons of good info in there. Just didn't have anything about flex relating to lengthening a stick... but I assume it works the same way as cutting a stick... extending = lower flex value, cutting = higher flex value.

I'm right handed and shoot right, and use Easton's Hall curve, at least for the past few years. It's a mid-curve with a pretty open face, not too difficult to find an equivalent in other brands.

I'll definitely be looking for clearance high-end sticks, but if I can't get a few in the curve I want or there is a time pressure situation, I wanted to have a mid-level new stick in mind that I could readily order mid-season. Good to know my suspicions about entry-level sticks being crap were right.

Thanks for the response!

7toZulu 04-25-2013 07:47 PM

I'm also 6'2, but I'm around 210 lbs. I've always purchased sticks on clearance around mid-level, and have also tried out some high end sticks, as i work and play at the the same ice rink. Mid level sticks are perfect as far as cost/benefit in my opinion. I've been using a Reebok Ai5 in 85 flex for a while, and it's a great stick for the price. I also have a sickick 6 stick, in 75 (wanted to try a whippy stick). I like the 85 for normal everyday play, but for some reason i get insane slappers with the 75 flex. I'd think, for you being 160 lbs, an 85 flex would be too stiff. Try out a 75 flex adult stick if you can, imo.

jorbjorb 04-26-2013 02:19 PM

depends how you shoot. you're height. and what type of shots you prefer.

i like snappers and i'm only 5'8

70 flex sticks do me good when they're cut down.

snizzbone 04-26-2013 02:55 PM

Intermediate sticks I find are much skinnier than senior sticks. Try to find a 75 flex in a higher end clearance model. If you're in the USA, hockeymonkey usually has some great deals.

lonewolfsx 05-06-2013 04:53 AM

Sorry for the late reply, thanks for the tips everyone. Looks like I'll be hunting for a 75-flex senior stick. I won't be playing league for a few months so I have some time to try some new stuff over summer. I'll post a review up here when I get new sticks.

I'm definitely a snap/wrist kind of player. I don't have insane dekes or a super powerful slap, but I pass really well (at least in practice situations). Since this will be my first real "competitive" league, I suppose I don't really know exactly how I will shoot/pass/perform in game situations. I've never really thought of myself as a defensive player but I do skate backwards well and am good at staying between a guy and the net, so I might even end up playing "offensive" D as much as I don't really want to... idk. We'll see.

Thanks again for the advice! :yo:

Jarick 05-06-2013 08:14 AM

Offensive vs defensive depends on your skill level vs the rest of the players. If you're playing tough competition, you'll have to keep it simple (more defensive). Vs weaker players, you could step up and get more involved in the offense.

Oh_so_saad 05-06-2013 04:21 PM

i just switched over from 80's to intermedietes. Best thing i ever did. i am 5'8 185 and i can crank out snappers with this noodle


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