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predwings 04-29-2013 04:24 AM

UFA Thread
 
This is a UFA thread.

Link to UFAs: http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents

Things to consider before posting:

Cap space
Team Needs
Cap is lower in 2013-2014 than it is this year
Roster Sizes

Now, please inspire and regale us with your thoughts of any UFAs we might be able to snag. Pipe-dreams are welcome as well as naysayers.

triggrman 04-29-2013 06:39 AM

I think Vanek might be more realistic than some on here. Here's why.

1) Buffalo wants to trade him, he's in the last year of his contract and they want to get something of value for him.

2) His high salary and cap hit really limit the number of teams he can go to.

I had a 3.....


There is a 3, somewhere.

PredsV82 04-29-2013 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triggrman (Post 64884309)
I think Vanek might be more realistic than some on here. Here's why.

1) Buffalo wants to trade him, he's in the last year of his contract and they want to get something of value for him.

2) His high salary and cap hit really limit the number of teams he can go to.

I had a 3.....


There is a 3, somewhere.

I agree with this and with only one year remaining before he's a UFA he shouldnt cost a massive amount of assets

maplepred 04-29-2013 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PredsV82 (Post 64885433)
I agree with this and with only one year remaining before he's a UFA he shouldnt cost a massive amount of assets

Do you think he resigns here though?

PredsV82 04-29-2013 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maplepred (Post 64885927)
Do you think he resigns here though?

I suspect that before a trade is consummated Poile is allowed to talk to Vaneks agent and find out what it would take. I imagine Poile parts with more assets if he's assured that an extesion will be signed. If not then I think all Buffalo can expect is high-end rental type return, ie, our 2014 1st and a prospect or maybe Blum

Preddownsouth 04-29-2013 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triggrman (Post 64884309)
I think Vanek might be more realistic than some on here. Here's why.

1) Buffalo wants to trade him, he's in the last year of his contract and they want to get something of value for him.

2) His high salary and cap hit really limit the number of teams he can go to.

I had a 3.....


There is a 3, somewhere.

I think Vanek is a possibility. Sounds like he will be moved. Poile seems to think a forward will probably be found via trade over FA this offseason. I certainly would love to see Poile make this move and sign him to an extension.

AtlantaWhaler 04-29-2013 09:12 AM

I'd be very excited if we landed Vanek, especially if we sign him to an extension.

DontCallPlayersStuds 04-29-2013 09:16 AM

Vanek would be great and all, but I don't see Buffalo making a deal that doesn't include one of: our first this year, Colin Wilson, Filip Forsberg

AtlantaWhaler 04-29-2013 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OurGocIsAnAwesomeGoc (Post 64888191)
Vanek would be great and all, but I don't see Buffalo making a deal that doesn't include one of: our first this year, Colin Wilson, Filip Forsberg

Don't forget that the cap is heading southward by $6 mil. Everyone agrees that he's a great player, but picking up a $7 mil contract is a $13 mil swing from this year (combined decrease and cap hit). That may not be very easy and will most likely drive the price down. Plus, Vanek won't be the only name out there.

KevFist 04-29-2013 10:33 AM

I'd like to add Ron Hainsey to our D-core if he'll take a step back on salary. Otherwise, the UFA field for this offseason is pretty meh.

AtlantaWhaler 04-29-2013 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevFist (Post 64891569)
I'd like to add Ron Hainsey to our D-core if he'll take a step back on salary. Otherwise, the UFA field for this offseason is pretty meh.

Rumor has it, he scores 6 a game (at least in the GDT's anyway).

Iron Duke 04-29-2013 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OurGocIsAnAwesomeGoc (Post 64888191)
Vanek would be great and all, but I don't see Buffalo making a deal that doesn't include one of: our first this year, Colin Wilson, Filip Forsberg

I agree with you. Even if it doesn't take any of those 3 pieces, I'm not sure we're in a position to be trading off assets (which would definitely include a 1st) for what will amount to a rental. If Vanek wants out of Buffalo, it's because he wants to go to a legit contender.

Iron Duke 04-29-2013 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevFist (Post 64891569)
I'd like to add Ron Hainsey to our D-core if he'll take a step back on salary. Otherwise, the UFA field for this offseason is pretty meh.

I like Hainsey. Would be a good partner for Klein, or on the bottom pair.

Top 6 Spaling 04-29-2013 11:41 AM

If Erat could bring in Forsberg, Vanek could easily bring in someone of his caliber or better.

Persona5 04-29-2013 11:49 AM

It is really hard to say this season more than any in the recent offseason who will really be out there. There are plenty of forwards out there that may end up being free agents that can help the Predators. Until free agency hits though we simply don't know the options. It is going to be one crazy offseason and you will see a lot of players get jumbled around through trades and cap casulaties. Should make for a very interesting offseason for sure.

PredsV82 04-29-2013 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top 6 Spaling (Post 64894979)
If Erat could bring in Forsberg, Vanek could easily bring in someone of his caliber or better.

Washington was getting erat for 2 and a half seasons, and is signed for reasonable money and they got Latta too. Plus no pick was involved.

dulzhok 04-29-2013 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PredsV82 (Post 64895589)
Washington was getting erat for 2 and a half seasons, and is signed for reasonable money and they got Latta too. Plus no pick was involved.

Vanek was on pace for 40 goals, and has already scored 40 twice before that.

He will get more than Erat, even though he has 1 year left.

While the pool of teams will be less with the salary cap, there will still be a huge bidding war. Plus teams have amnesty buyouts if they need to make room.

Top 6 Spaling 04-29-2013 12:09 PM

Erat is a decent 2nd liner on a contender. Vanek was the MVP favorite halfway through the year.

ThirdManIn 04-29-2013 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triggrman (Post 64884309)
I think Vanek might be more realistic than some on here. Here's why.

1) Buffalo wants to trade him, he's in the last year of his contract and they want to get something of value for him.

2) His high salary and cap hit really limit the number of teams he can go to.

I had a 3.....


There is a 3, somewhere.

3) We have a need for a player of his caliber, and Poile may be willing to give up more than other teams.

braindead 04-29-2013 01:06 PM

Vanek also would return a lot in a trade deadline deal. Poile could give up more now knowing that either (1) he signs a long term deal or (2) he gets dealt at the trade deadline (like Jagr this year). The key is Poile could NOT treat him like Suter and Hamhuis and HOPE to sign him at the end of the year.

Still not sure why Buffalo does this unless they want the cash and cap space for a different deal... otherwise, they should just hold and sell later.

predwings 04-29-2013 01:30 PM

Lets not forget that this could be an off-season trade and not a deadline deal. Off-season trades generally cost less especially going into a cap lowering year where teams need to dump some salary to ensure they will be under the cap. If we tossed buffalo some key cheap pieces along with a high pick they'd be tantalized.

Top 6 Spaling 04-29-2013 01:34 PM

I highly encourage anyone who thinks we can get Vanek without giving up Wilson, Forsberg, Josi, or our 1st to go read the Value of: Vanek thread on the trade board. Some of the best offers I've seen:

Ceci+Silfverberg/Conacher+2013 1st
7th overall+Klefbom/Hemsky+Paajarvi

AtlantaWhaler 04-29-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top 6 Spaling (Post 64902107)
I highly encourage anyone who thinks we can get Vanek without giving up Wilson, Forsberg, Josi, or our 1st to go read the Value of: Vanek thread on the trade board. Some of the best offers I've seen:

Ceci+Silfverberg/Conacher+2013 1st
7th overall+Klefbom/Hemsky+Paajarvi

I'm a big fan, but...Geeze...No thank you.

Iron Duke 04-29-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top 6 Spaling (Post 64902107)
I highly encourage anyone who thinks we can get Vanek without giving up Wilson, Forsberg, Josi, or our 1st to go read the Value of: Vanek thread on the trade board. Some of the best offers I've seen:

Ceci+Silfverberg/Conacher+2013 1st
7th overall+Klefbom/Hemsky+Paajarvi

Yeah, it is going to be steep. Basically, what would we have been willing to give up Weber for prior to last season. Perhaps a little less than that, but that's the general ballpark.

ThirdManIn 04-29-2013 02:15 PM

It's important to keep in mind the disconnect between what fans are willing to offer and what GMs are willing to offer, and between what fans want in return and what GMs can get in return. I trust the trade forum for accurate analysis of a player's value about as much as I trust my mom when she tells me I'm a handsome man.


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