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MARCUS FOLlGNO PHD 05-01-2013 05:52 PM

Nashville's #4 to Buffalo
 
Given Poile and Regier's respective comments it's reasonable to speculate they've discussed a potential trade-up.

What would Buffalo have to add to #8 (or #16, I guess) to turn it into #4? Assume nothing is untouchable but the key pieces for the rebuild (Grigorenko/Hodgson/Armia) are overvalued.

Top 6 Spaling 05-01-2013 05:55 PM

It will take a huge overpayment. We have 0 reason to move this pick, since one of Mac/Drouin/Barkov will go a long way toward fixing our scoring woes. Also, the pieces we'd really want are the ones you said are overvalued, which makes it harder.

It'd take #8+Vanek for #4+SK or something. Yes, that is horrific overpayment by Buffalo, but that is what it would take for us to move it. Or, at least, I hope Poile won't move it for less.

tsujimoto74 05-01-2013 05:59 PM

Assuming Poille/NSH aren't rebuilding, which I think is a reasonable assumption -- I think they want to build around the franchise players they have in their prime right now in Weber and Rinne -- something around Vanek + 8th/16th for 4th + ???

MARCUS FOLlGNO PHD 05-01-2013 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top 6 Spaling (Post 65044027)
It will take a huge overpayment. We have 0 reason to move this pick, since one of Mac/Drouin/Barkov will go a long way toward fixing our scoring woes. Also, the pieces we'd really want are the ones you said are overvalued, which makes it harder.

It'd take #8+Vanek for #4+SK or something. Yes, that is horrific overpayment by Buffalo, but that is what it would take for us to move it. Or, at least, I hope Poile won't move it for less.

Would Vanek at half salary + #16 be enough for #4 alone, or with a cap dump?

Chainshot 05-01-2013 06:04 PM

Ennis and #8 for #4? Vanek and #8 for #4 doesn't give Nashville any insurance if Vanek doesn't stay.

Top 6 Spaling 05-01-2013 06:15 PM

Forgot Vanek only has one year...

I'd do Vanek+8th for 4th+SK if, and only if, we knew we could sign him long term.

The Preds are not in a position to give up a great asset for two good ones, in regards to Ennis and everyone.

I like Myers a lot too, as a side note.

Chainshot 05-01-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucky Gleason (Post 65044689)
Would Vanek at half salary + #16 be enough for #4 alone, or with a cap dump?

Don't see that being enticing enough to move down that far, to be honest.

MARCUS FOLlGNO PHD 05-01-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Top 6 Spaling (Post 65046035)

I like Myers a lot too, as a side note.

If that's the case, where could he fit in to this?

Top 6 Spaling 05-01-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucky Gleason (Post 65046857)
If that's the case, where could he fit in to this?

Probably too big of a deal, but...

#4+SK+Blum/Ellis for #8+Vanek+Myers

Chainshot 05-01-2013 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top 6 Spaling (Post 65047003)
Probably too big of a deal, but...

#4+SK+Blum/Ellis for #8+Vanek+Myers

Too much to move up 4 spots for Blum/Ellis.

MARCUS FOLlGNO PHD 05-01-2013 06:29 PM

Can Blum/Ellis become Josi?

AdmiralsFan24 05-01-2013 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucky Gleason (Post 65047407)
Can Blum/Ellis become Josi?

I would say no but Blum has a better chance of doing it.

Iron Duke 05-01-2013 06:54 PM

Not a huge fan of Vanek being the main return. Don't think we're close enough to being a contender to justify that move, and too much risk he won't re-sign. Probably more interested in Ennis, but not sure if interested enough to give up drafting Barkov.

Soundgarden 05-01-2013 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AdmiralsFan24 (Post 65047849)
I would say no but Blum has a better chance of doing it.

I think he means would we change Blum/Ellis to Josi in the deal. If so, absolutely not.

AdmiralsFan24 05-01-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Soundgarden (Post 65052827)
I think he means would we change Blum/Ellis to Josi in the deal. If so, absolutely not.

Ahh yes, didn't even think of that.

Djp 05-01-2013 07:55 PM

Buffalo may do a small steps

STEP 1 deal MIN #1(16) to NYR (owned by CBS)/SJ/TOR for their #1 (19-21) + 2nd/3rd

STEP 2 with Calgary:

TO BUF: #6 + STL 1st (23)
TO CGY #8 + NYR/SJ/TOR 1st (19-21)

STEP 3 with Nashville

TO BUF: NAS #4 +
TO NAS: BUF #6 + BUF 2nd round pick

couture23 05-01-2013 08:19 PM

To move up 4 spots, I would offer 8 + 55 + 159 and a prospect with offensive upside like Logan Nelson or Colin Jacobs.

Won't get it done probably, but no need to sacrifice more of our future for 4 spots. We didn't tank well enough, move on and select at 8.

Zip15 05-01-2013 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by couture23 (Post 65063491)
To move up 4 spots, I would offer 8 + 55 + 159 and a prospect with offensive upside like Logan Nelson or Colin Jacobs.

Won't get it done probably, but no need to sacrifice more of our future for 4 spots. We didn't tank well enough, move on and select at 8.

I don't see 8 + 38 getting it done, so 8 + 55 and some other fodder most certainly will not get it done.

couture23 05-01-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zip15 (Post 65064959)
I don't see 8 + 38 getting it done, so 8 + 55 and some other fodder most certainly will not get it done.

Yeah I know, I just don't think it's worth it. We know Darcy very well, he will not overpay for something so he'll likely stay at #8.

CowbellConray 05-01-2013 08:37 PM

I would to #8 + 16 + 69. no need to get players involved.

In 2008, the Maple Leafs moved up 2 spots for #7 + #68 + #37 the following year.

So to move up 4 spots I think it would take two firsts and a third. My personal opinion.

western redmen 05-01-2013 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djp (Post 65060217)
Buffalo may do a small steps

STEP 1 deal MIN #1(16) to NYR (owned by CBS)/SJ/TOR for their #1 (19-21) + 2nd/3rd

STEP 2 with Calgary:

TO BUF: #6 + STL 1st (23)
TO CGY #8 + NYR/SJ/TOR 1st (19-21)

STEP 3 with Nashville

TO BUF: NAS #4 +
TO NAS: BUF #6 + BUF 2nd round pick

If you can get the 4th for the 6th and 2nd, then you dream on Calgary dealing that pick. Hell I'll even offer 2 1st for it but I doubt Nashville will do it. Ps feaster said he won't trade down, and what you offered isn't enough IMO

1972 05-01-2013 09:47 PM

It would take 8 + 16 for NSH to probably consider it, I could also they them keeping the pick under all circumstances.


But, at the same time giving up 8 + 16 is too rich for me to give up. We could very well be in the mix for Rei hart/Ekblad/Nylander next year.

Djp 05-01-2013 10:31 PM

Another option....

TO NAS: BUF #8 + Stafford
TO BUf NAS #4

captaincrunch89 05-01-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djp (Post 65076359)
Another option....

TO NAS: BUF #8 + Stafford
TO BUf NAS #4

How is this even close to what Nashville would want? Atrocious for them. I can get behind Ennis+8 for 4 or Vanek at half salary+16+3rd rounder for 4.

La Cosa Nostra 05-01-2013 11:14 PM

Good lord, ill gladly stay at #8 then trade Tyler Ennis or Thomas Vanek to move up 4 spots for a non superstar prospect.

Ennis is already a proven 55 point center who hasn't even reached his full potential. Vanek is a top 10 goal scorer. Either of them to move up 4 spots is a joke. Maybe if it was moving from 5 to 1 it's more reasonable but to move up from 8 to 4? Umm no. Vanek/Ennis + 8th best prospect>>> Barkov.


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