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oilersfan87 05-02-2013 05:43 PM

Edmonton - Nashville
 
Note: If I was Mactavish and Poile said "if you change the first to 2013 we have a deal" I'd hesitate for a while but eventually accept because of how much Weber could help the oilers.
:edmonton
Weber

:nashville
Eberle
Petry
2014 1st round pick

Why it makes sense for Nashville:
After a tough season Nashville begins a rebuild by trading their best defenseman (and one of the best defenseman in the league) for a young scorer, a young defenseman and a first round pick. Nashville obviously needs offense and Eberle, Barkov, Forsberg, and Wilson is a good young core to build around. Since Nashville is sending a defenseman to Edmonton they also add another defenseman that can step into the lineup in Petry. Also, another first round pick obviously helps a rebuilding team as well.

Why it makes sense for Edmonton:
Edmonton needs to make a big trade. Eberle is the most likely of the big 4 to be traded and the oilers need a vetran player instead of relying on only young players. With Weber in the lineup there is little doubt that the oilers would at least make the playoffs next season and for many seasons to come.

PredsFanFromla 05-02-2013 05:49 PM

Haven't You Heard The Latest News:Shea Weber is Committed To The Rebuilding Process in Nashville

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...22/2072/SPORTS

MPStoEberletoHall 05-02-2013 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilersfan87 (Post 65118459)
Note: If I was Mactavish and Poile said "if you change the first to 2013 we have a deal" I'd hesitate for a while but eventually accept because of how much Weber could help the oilers.
:edmonton
Weber

:nashville
Eberle
Petry
2014 1st round pick

Why it makes sense for Nashville:
After a tough season Nashville begins a rebuild by trading their best defenseman (and one of the best defenseman in the league) for a young scorer, a young defenseman and a first round pick. Nashville obviously needs offense and Eberle, Barkov, Forsberg, and Wilson is a good young core to build around. Since Nashville is sending a defenseman to Edmonton they also add another defenseman that can step into the lineup in Petry. Also, another first round pick obviously helps a rebuilding team as well.

Why it makes sense for Edmonton:
Edmonton needs to make a big trade. Eberle is the most likely of the big 4 to be traded and the oilers need a vetran player instead of relying on only young players. With Weber in the lineup there is little doubt that the oilers would at least make the playoffs next season and for many seasons to come.

No way Nashville does this. Maybe something like:

To Nashville:
Eberle
7th overall pick in 2013(Monahan)
Petry
2014 1st round pick

They then have Barkov, Monahan, Eberle, Forsberg... I wouldnt want the Oilers to do that though. They would be pretty screwed upfront

FaceOfTheFranchise 05-02-2013 05:52 PM

Nashville is not trading Weber. It has been stated multiple times, not only by Poile but by Weber himself. Weber wants to be part of the solution in Nashville, hence the reason he signed the offer sheet that would keep him in Nashville the rest of his career.

IF the Preds were to trade Weber, they couldn't do so until this summer, after they would have already paid him $30 mil in bonuses. Just doesn't make sense on Nashville's part....why don't people understand this :cry:

herashak 05-02-2013 05:57 PM

if i were a nash fan id say no.

supert 05-02-2013 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilersfan87 (Post 65118459)
Note: If I was Mactavish and Poile said "if you change the first to 2013 we have a deal" I'd hesitate for a while but eventually accept because of how much Weber could help the oilers.
:edmonton
Weber

:nashville
Eberle
Petry
2014 1st round pick

Why it makes sense for Nashville:
After a tough season Nashville begins a rebuild by trading their best defenseman (and one of the best defenseman in the league) for a young scorer, a young defenseman and a first round pick. Nashville obviously needs offense and Eberle, Barkov, Forsberg, and Wilson is a good young core to build around. Since Nashville is sending a defenseman to Edmonton they also add another defenseman that can step into the lineup in Petry. Also, another first round pick obviously helps a rebuilding team as well.

Why it makes sense for Edmonton:
Edmonton needs to make a big trade. Eberle is the most likely of the big 4 to be traded and the oilers need a vetran player instead of relying on only young players. With Weber in the lineup there is little doubt that the oilers would at least make the playoffs next season and for many seasons to come.

Lets end this talk . As an Oiler fans we are not giving up 1/2 our team to get Weber . Nashville match the Flyers offer because they value Weber , so with out a overpayment that would gut our team it is not happening

Soundgarden 05-02-2013 06:24 PM

Is it safe to assume Oilers fans would regret one of the following deals?

2 of Eberle/RNH/Hall/Yakupov + One Petry/Smid/Schultz

or

2 of the above defenders + one forward + whoever you draft at number 7 this year.

If so, then that is exactly what it would take. I mean That's half of a pairing and 2/3rds of an entire 1st line, they certainly won't be contending anytime after that deal goes down. Perfect for Nashville, if we were to entertain offers.

Oh, and we are not rebuilding at all, several of our forwards, as well as Rinne, were injured the majority of the season.

Rpro 05-02-2013 06:28 PM

Until Weber demands a trade, there's no point making offers for him. It would require a massive overpayment!

416Leafer 05-02-2013 06:47 PM

Even if he was available (which he's not), its a VERY easy no for Nashville. The trade value simply isnt there.

None of Edmontons "big 4" come all that close to Weber in value.... And your proposal is centered around the least valuable of the big 4? Come on, get real.

Weber is a perennial Norris contender, top 2-3 at his position in the world, and probably considered the 6th-7th best player in the world. Eberle does have decent value, but not nearly enough to land Weber, and the other pieces dont make up for it.

Legitimately, I think he'd be worth Hall + Kefbom + 2013 1st, maybe more. So upgrades Eberle to Hall, upgrades Petry to Kefbom, and upgrades the 2014 1st to the 2013 one. And it doesnt matter if you as an Edmonton fan think its too much, Edmonton isnt the team setting the price, Nashville is. And they would want something a lot closer to that proposal than to the OP proposal. Even then, theyre trading a top 10 player in the world for three pieces, all of which are almost guaranteed to not be as good.,

thadd 05-02-2013 07:20 PM

No way in hell Edmonton is paying market value for Weber.

If Edmonton picks up a #1 d-man they'll be getting a discounted rate off of a cap strapped team.

blinkman360 05-02-2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thadd (Post 65126297)
No way in hell Edmonton is paying market value for Weber.

If Edmonton picks up a #1 d-man they'll be getting a discounted rate off of a cap strapped team.

Cap strapped teams don't trade away #1 d-men to make room. Especially not for discounted rates.

DKQ 05-02-2013 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blinkman360 (Post 65127139)
Cap strapped teams don't trade away #1 d-men to make room. Especially not for discounted rates.

http://origin.agilitycms.com/nhlpaco...shots/6554.jpg

AKL 05-02-2013 08:04 PM

Holy ****. OP's deal is awful.

s7ark 05-02-2013 08:07 PM

Weber really isn't going anywhere. Without him Nashville are in full rebuild mode no matter how well Rinne can play. They aren't going to go through that, when they are only a 1C and another 1st line forward away from contending again. They will grab the tougher one to find with Barkov this year. Then they are a trade/signing/2nd top 5 pick away from where they need to be.

Nashville has the vets and one of the young forwards that are needed to do a quick re-tool. Why would they decide to go the longer route and start looking for a 1D again?

Number1RedWingsFan52 05-02-2013 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilersfan87 (Post 65118459)
Note: If I was Mactavish and Poile said "if you change the first to 2013 we have a deal" I'd hesitate for a while but eventually accept because of how much Weber could help the oilers.
:edmonton
Weber

:nashville
Eberle
Petry
2014 1st round pick

Why it makes sense for Nashville:
After a tough season Nashville begins a rebuild by trading their best defenseman (and one of the best defenseman in the league) for a young scorer, a young defenseman and a first round pick. Nashville obviously needs offense and Eberle, Barkov, Forsberg, and Wilson is a good young core to build around. Since Nashville is sending a defenseman to Edmonton they also add another defenseman that can step into the lineup in Petry. Also, another first round pick obviously helps a rebuilding team as well.

Why it makes sense for Edmonton:
Edmonton needs to make a big trade. Eberle is the most likely of the big 4 to be traded and the oilers need a vetran player instead of relying on only young players. With Weber in the lineup there is little doubt that the oilers would at least make the playoffs next season and for many seasons to come.

Give it a rest, Nashville is'nt trading there Franchise player for garbage like this. Petrys not that great sorry Eberle and Petry dont bring to the Preds nearly the value that Weber has It would cost Edmonton way more then this.

jumptheshark 05-02-2013 08:29 PM

if the preds move Weber the oilers are sending back HAll

96 05-02-2013 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thadd (Post 65126297)
No way in hell Edmonton is paying market value for Weber.

If Edmonton picks up a #1 d-man they'll be getting a discounted rate off of a cap strapped team.

Please name one such defenseman on one such team.

Edmonton would have to give up two of Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, and the 7th pick just to get Nashville talking. They would probably have to add Hemsky and some deeper picks as well. Nashville literally cannot afford to trade Weber unless they have something insanely valuable to sell to their fans.

Trading Weber now won't actually save Nashville much money. They've paid a significant portion of Weber's huge contract up front already.

HockeySensible 05-02-2013 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DKQ (Post 65133229)

Brian Campbell's not a #1 Dman. At best, he's a #2, and would/does need a strong defensive partner.

I loved Soupy in Chicago.. but he's not a #1 Dman. He's great transitionally, good offensively and at best average defensively.

If Campbell really was a #1 Dman, 7.14M wouldn't have been that big a deal.. but he wasn't, so it was.

HockeySensible 05-02-2013 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE Predator 19 (Post 65118981)
Nashville is not trading Weber. It has been stated multiple times, not only by Poile but by Weber himself. Weber wants to be part of the solution in Nashville, hence the reason he signed the offer sheet that would keep him in Nashville the rest of his career.

IF the Preds were to trade Weber, they couldn't do so until this summer, after they would have already paid him $30 mil in bonuses. Just doesn't make sense on Nashville's part....why don't people understand this :cry:

Was that sarcasm errrr...?

So, instead of just signing an extension with Nashville, to stay in Nashville, Weber and Pollie planned on him going out and signing an offer-sheet, that looked unmatchable by Nashville at the time, to keep him in Nashville? For what? The lolz at Philly?

zytz 05-02-2013 09:12 PM

Given what NSH has paid Weber, I think EDM needs to start the discussion with 2013 1st, 2014 1st, Eberle, Schultz

triggrman 05-02-2013 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossTheBoss (Post 65142575)
Was that sarcasm errrr...?

So, instead of just signing an extension with Nashville, to stay in Nashville, Weber and Pollie planned on him going out and signing an offer-sheet, that looked unmatchable by Nashville at the time, to keep him in Nashville? For what? The lolz at Philly?

He used the tools he could to get the max deal. Ownership had told him all along any deal would be matched. So the deal looked tough for Nashville to match to you and some of the media but in reality it wasn't.

worstfaceoffmanever 05-02-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilersfan87 (Post 65118459)
:edmonton
Weber

I'm just going to stop you right there.

Including signing bonuses, the Predators plopped down $14M on Shea Weber this year. The organization is fully prepared to put down another $14M next season. He has been nominated for the Norris Trophy multiple times at age 27, and is widely considered one of the best defensemen in the world. You think we're going to trade him after all that drama and all that investment? More importantly, you think we're going to trade him for that? You're out of your mind. We could get a much better haul for Weber than that, although the whole exercise is strictly academic.

The Shea Weber Saga is over. Nashville is committed to him for the long haul, and vice versa. All the animosity of contract negotiations is in the past, and they are moving forward with a much more positive relationship. He stays.

Top 6 Spaling 05-02-2013 09:33 PM

SHEA. WEBER. WILL. NOT. BE. TRADED.

Where the hell do people keep getting the idea that we're shopping him. Poile has been quoted like 100000 times saying he won't.

It's over.

AtlantaWhaler 05-02-2013 09:37 PM

On top of that, the OP's offer is weak. Without any of the big 3 in a package, there's no discussion.

BackhandToeyJoey 05-02-2013 09:44 PM

Weber's a franchise defence man and will never leave the team.

I proposed this trade in another thread but I'll throw it in this one as it includes both teams. If Forsberg needs a player to play with, one with finesse WHILE having the chance to draft a bigger winger for him to play with in the top 10; I thought this proposal will help both teams as it also gives the chance to trade Gagner (if the Oilers decide to draft 2C Barkov)


To NSH:

EDM 2013 1st (7th ovr.)
EDM 2013 2nd
RW, Ales Hemsky

To EDM:

NSH 2013 1st (4th ovr.)

Would that be an alright trade? If NSH say no, throw in ANA 2013 2nd?


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