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McMozesmadness 05-07-2013 09:39 PM

How far can Nichushkin slide?
 
Just wanted to get some people's thoughts on how far Valeri Nichushkin could potentially slide.

I have absolutely no clue.

So I thought I should her from some others.

He is the drafts big questionmark.

boredmale 05-07-2013 09:57 PM

Buffalo #8

McLotto 97 05-07-2013 10:01 PM

#7. Whoever the oilers trade pick too

Zajacs Bowl Cut 05-07-2013 10:04 PM

I think he won't get past NJ.

Brodeur 05-07-2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Zajacs Bowl Cut (Post 65551735)
I think he won't get past NJ.

It'd be an interesting dilemma with the Devils. If Nichushkin were available at #9, he'd more than likely be the BPA by a margin. Lou has a policy about not signing contracts with performance bonuses, so Nichushkin would only get the 925K max salary like Larsson did. Can only imagine they'd have to do their homework beforehand to see how big an issue that might be.

Kahuna Nanu 05-07-2013 10:20 PM

Probably as far as 30, it really depends on how scared teams are of the Russian factor.

Could see a team in the top-10 taking a chance if "their guy" is off the board at that point, but I think he'll go around 12-17.

DevilChuk* 05-07-2013 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur (Post 65555265)
It'd be an interesting dilemma with the Devils. If Nichushkin were available at #9, he'd more than likely be the BPA by a margin. Lou has a policy about not signing contracts with performance bonuses, so Nichushkin would only get the 925K max salary like Larsson did. Can only imagine they'd have to do their homework beforehand to see how big an issue that might be.

Don't really see that as much of an issue. I mean, what is the average salary with bonuses anyways? Most rookies probably don't hit their performance bonuses.

I think the bigger issue is the fact that the Devils want immediate impact and he's not likely to come to the NHL for at least another 2 years..

Marchessault Good 05-07-2013 10:42 PM

Kirill Kabanov?

Leafs87 05-07-2013 10:57 PM

Everyone has to remember how far kuznetsov fell because of the Russian factor. Kuznetsov was also alot better

HighLifeMan 05-07-2013 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafs87 (Post 65562391)
Everyone has to remember how far kuznetsov fell because of the Russian factor. Kuznetsov was also alot better

No he wasn't.

Kuznetsov had 3 goals and 9 points in 39 KHL games during his draft year.
Nichushkin had 10 goals and 15 points in 43 KHL games during his draft year.

Either way, it will all come down to how Nichushkin interviews at the combine. I can't seeing him slipping past Philly at 11, or NYR wherever they select.

Mason10 05-07-2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan (Post 65563673)
No he wasn't.

Kuznetsov had 3 goals and 9 points in 39 KHL games during his draft year.
Nichushkin had 10 goals and 15 points in 43 KHL games during his draft year.

Either way, it will all come down to how Nichushkin interviews at the combine. I can't seeing him slipping past Philly at 11, or NYR wherever they select.

NYR doesn't have a first this year, so second round? :)

CoachBadkitten 05-07-2013 11:39 PM

Probably pick #32

Wishful Thinking

Kahuna Nanu 05-07-2013 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mason10 (Post 65567521)
NYR doesn't have a first this year, so second round? :)

They don't have a second rounder either. :laugh:

Could see them moving a D to acquire a #1 at the draft, though, so if the Rangers have a first, and Nichuskin is there, I expect him to be a Ranger.

Otherwise, I could see Edmonton moving down and picking him.

Brodeur 05-08-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilChuk (Post 65555683)
Don't really see that as much of an issue. I mean, what is the average salary with bonuses anyways? Most rookies probably don't hit their performance bonuses.

I think the bigger issue is the fact that the Devils want immediate impact and he's not likely to come to the NHL for at least another 2 years..

Taransenko's ELC has bonuses that put his contract up to 1.75 million. It might be tough to convince a guy who could make millions in Russia to sign a three year deal for 925K/season. The performance bonuses would at least help bridge some of that gap.

Teams will have to do their homework. It probably won't be a huge issue, but you might run into a case like Atlanta did with Ilya Nikulin. Thrashers couldn't give him a huge offer due to the ELC restrictions and he ended up never coming over.

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Originally Posted by Gudbranson4Prez (Post 65559893)
Kirill Kabanov?

Kabanov is probably a bad example. His stock fell partially due to his play but mostly because of his attitude which wasn't necessarily due to the Russian Factor.

He had an okay draft year, but didn't set the world on fire. He did seemingly burn a lot of bridges along the way which was probably enough for teams to red flag him. It's not unheard of for a team to omit a guy that they'd think is a headache.

Tarasenko/Kuznetsov would be closer comparables to Nichushkin's situation.

HighLifeMan 05-08-2013 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mason10 (Post 65567521)
NYR doesn't have a first this year, so second round? :)

Haha, totally forgot about that.
I just can't imagine he slips past Philly, and even if he does then there are still three teams with multiple first round picks this year (CGY,CBJ,BUF) that would no doubt take a gamble on such a skilled player with one of their selections.

DevilChuk* 05-08-2013 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur (Post 65572351)
Taransenko's ELC has bonuses that put his contract up to 1.75 million. It might be tough to convince a guy who could make millions in Russia to sign a three year deal for 925K/season. The performance bonuses would at least help bridge some of that gap.

Right, but you actually have to hit those bonuses to earn that extra money. I'd wager that Taransenko's final salary this year is much closer to the 925k figure than the 1.75M figure.

Fantomas 05-08-2013 01:00 AM

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mouser 05-08-2013 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilChuk (Post 65576843)
Right, but you actually have to hit those bonuses to earn that extra money. I'd wager that Taransenko's final salary this year is much closer to the 925k figure than the 1.75M figure.

Reviewing the allowed bonus clauses under the past CBA I'll hazard a guess Tarasenko didn't earn a single performance bonus from his contract this season:


i) Ice time top 6 forwards on team total or per game -- No, finished 10th and 9th in the two definitions.

ii) 20 Goals (pro-rated 11?) -- No

iii) 35 Assists (pro-rated 20?) -- No

iv) 60 points (pro-rated 35?) -- No

v) .73 PPG -- No, had 0.50PPG

vi) Top three forwards on team in +/- -- No, finished 5th by the definition.

vii) End of season all-rookie team -- Not impossible yet, but very doubtful given the announced Calder finalists and other rookie forwards.

viii) NHL all-star game -- No

ix) NHL all-start game MVP -- No

candyman82 05-08-2013 01:24 AM

I hope 14

SHO NUFF* 05-08-2013 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Boyle (Post 65568243)
They don't have a second rounder either. :laugh:

Could see them moving a D to acquire a #1 at the draft, though, so if the Rangers have a first, and Nichuskin is there, I expect him to be a Ranger.

Otherwise, I could see Edmonton moving down and picking him.

Think MDZ would potentially be available? He's exactly what the Oilers are in the market for, a left shot puck moving defenseman. MacT says the #7 is in play, maybe something gets done with these teams.

DevilChuk* 05-08-2013 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mouser (Post 65580319)
Reviewing the allowed bonus clauses under the past CBA I'll hazard a guess Tarasenko didn't earn a single performance bonus from his contract this season:


i) Ice time top 6 forwards on team total or per game -- No, finished 10th and 9th in the two definitions.

ii) 20 Goals (pro-rated 11?) -- No

iii) 35 Assists (pro-rated 20?) -- No

iv) 60 points (pro-rated 35?) -- No

v) .73 PPG -- No, had 0.50PPG

vi) Top three forwards on team in +/- -- No, finished 5th by the definition.

vii) End of season all-rookie team -- Not impossible yet, but very doubtful given the announced Calder finalists and other rookie forwards.

viii) NHL all-star game -- No

ix) NHL all-start game MVP -- No

Right, so it looks like pretty much every rookie earns 925k with whoever wins the Calder/has a ridiculous season earning more.

I still want to figure out what the exact answer is regarding him coming over to the NHL.

Does his contract have an NHL out clause?
If not, I assume he can buyout his remaining contract (or negotiate a release) if he wishes but the NHL team who owns his rights is prohibited from helping out in any capacity (including financially)?

I can see him dropping if it's a guarantee he won't be in the NHL for another 2 years, as most teams picking top 10 are looking for immediate impact.

Would think the Devils would take a wager on him since they're in dire need of a skilled forward.. but that would mean they're content with basically not having a first round pick in the next two years hit the NHL for another few seasons.

JacketsFanWest 05-08-2013 01:47 AM

Nichushkin's performance at the U18 tournament might increase the doubts about him, so it's not just the Russian factor against him.

KovalSNIPE 05-08-2013 01:49 AM

If he reaches us (NJ) at #9 there is no way we aren't taking him. We have Kovalchuk, one of the top Russians in the NHL, to convince him to come over and play with him for years.

P.S. I believe I read somewhere on this board that Nichushkin has an option to leave for NA right away, but if he doesn't then he must stay for the 2 years. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Kahuna Nanu 05-08-2013 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SHO NUFF (Post 65581325)
Think MDZ would potentially be available? He's exactly what the Oilers are in the market for, a left shot puck moving defenseman. MacT says the #7 is in play, maybe something gets done with these teams.

Possibly, it depends on whether or not the organization thinks that Moore is ready to take the next step. He's been getting better every game, and he recently was in the top-4 ahead of Del Zotto — who seems to be in the doghouse at the moment. Moore has also taken on the role of PPQB, and he looks a lot better than Del Zotto has this year in that facet.

Regarding a move around Del Zotto/the #7 — I could see it being realistic. Staal is back from his injury and looked good in his first game back. The Rangers more than likely would like to get back into round one with the crop of talent that's available.

jnk96 05-08-2013 02:48 AM

Why isn't it possible to talk to a player before the draft and just ask him if he'd come over?


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