Players season evaluation
I been waiting for someone to start a thread on this for a bit now but no one has so I will. Keep in mind my evaluations are with how I expected the player to perform for this season. Meaning if I grade player 1 an A while grading player 2 a C does not mean I think that player 1 is better than player 2. I would appreciate to see what other people think too (GKJ in particular as he is not a big homer compared to 99% of us including myself) and not just bash my grades/thoughts! So here goes... Also keep in mind I missed the last three games of the season. No smart comments saying I missed all season if you don't like my grades!!!! :laugh:
A+=The best C=Average (What was expected) F=You sucked
Claude Giroux (A-) I know some people were down on Giroux this season. To me his improvement in the face off circle was amazing and his passing was as great as ever. Opposing teams really keyed on him this season though to reduce his scoring chances. The coach will have to find ways to get him the puck more in scoring situations. The one thing that upset me about Giroux this season was his embellishment. I never seen him embellish before this season so I don't know where that came from.
Brayden Schenn (C) I had high expectations for Schenn this year and he did not step his game up. I honestly believe that he was playing too fast out there at times. All he was doing was flying around trying to hit people while charging half the time he did it and that also put him out of position for when the other team came back and he wasn't on his man leaving him wide open for a good chance. He needs to learn from Richie and pick his spots better. If he can slow his game down and play a smarter game of hockey then the sky is the limit for Schenn.
Sean Couturier (C) He kept up his stellar defensive game, but his offensive game was completely terrible until later on in the season where he shown flashes. If he can improve on his skating in the off season he will become the number 2 center on the team and have the potential to put up a lot of points. I just feel that if he doesn't improve his skating then he will never become a top point producer. He does have great hands and one of the best hockey senses on the team. This team needs to keep him to match up against the Penguins even if he doesn't find his offensive game. His defensive game is just that good.
Maxime Talbot (C-) He took a step down this season, but that should have been expected seeing that last season was his career year. He is a solid WING that plays smart defensive hockey and can chip in offensively here and there. A good team guy even though I still don't like him from his Penguin days.
Jakub Voracek (A+) The best Flyer this season. I knew he was a good player but I didn't see this kind of potential in him till now. He hardly ever lost a board battle, he was scoring, great balance and puck control, great passing, amazing defense, and just never stopped playing. His fight to stand up for Giroux was also great to see. My favorite Flyer this season.
Ruslan Fedotenko (B-) He was better than I expected. I expected just a fourth line guy that can play good defense and be on the pk, but I found him to be a solid player that can occasionally play more minutes. He was a good pickup for the season.
Wayne Simmonds (B+) He cemented himself in the number 1 pp unit as one of the better players in the league in front of the goalie. He has the grit, size, teamwork and tenacity that is Flyer hockey. The only thing that upset me with him was that he always tried to get to cute with the puck and turned it over by doing that half the time.
Matt Read (B) He had a solid year showing that he can be a responsible smart player out there but I expected more from Read. I was hoping that he could place himself on the top line with Giroux and Voracek but that just didn't work out. My expectations were too high on Read going into the season as I expected him to be one of the top 4 forwards on this team. Still, he is a great role player that can play on the 2nd or 3rd line.
Danny Briere (F) He sucked....I do think he started the season injured, but come on. He was bad and ruined every line he was on. IF he is a Flyer next year he needs to regain his form of the past or he will be gone soon.
Scott Hartnell (D-) One of my favorite Flyers for a few seasons now. What happened? He fell apart and took so many bad penalties this season. It was like he didn't care about his team. I have no idea what happened to him, but I hope he can fix it in the off season because Hartnell is a rare player in this league that can put up a lot of points and do all the dirty work. Highly disappointed in him this season but I do believe he will regain his form.
Zac Rinaldo (A+) My only other A+ grade. Why an A+ for Rinaldo you may think? The dude hits like a truck out there, never stopped playing no matter what the score and he gained the respect of his teammates while also gaining the respect of most of the referees. He didn't get nearly as many penalties for being Rinaldo this year and I still can't believe he did that while also staying strong on his checks. He really had an unbelievable year to transform his game and his reputation.
Mike Knuble (C-) He was solid to play games here and there and to bring veteran leadership to this game, but this should be his last season. I would like to bring him back in the organization though.
Simon Gagne (B+) I don't care if people don't like my grade on Gagne. He just played solid hockey for the Flyers and they need his presence and leadership on the ice. He still has the shot, the speed and the defense that this team needs in their top 9. I was quite surprised with how well he looked as a Flyer again.
Tye Mcginn (B-) He really came out of no where for me when he was on the team. He was a good fighter that gave it his all. With more seasoning in the minors I hope he can become a nice power forward that can chip in on the scoring like a Simmonds.
Jay Rosehill (C-) He played his role well as the enforcer, but I hope he doesn't think he will play many games on the Flyers. He is a nice 13th forward on this team to play against teams that you know will get chippy.
Adam Hall (D) I loved the pick up when it happened.... He did not impress me at all though and I been one of the people saying they need to go out and get that fourth line center and a face off specialist. It could be because I have wanted Gaustad to have that role for a long time now on this team and he isn't as good as him.
Scott Laughton (B+) It is a high grade for a player with only five games and zero points, but he looked to be a solid player with a lot of potential to me. I see him becoming the fourth line center next season and maybe moving up a line if Couturier pushes himself to the second line center and move Schenn to wing. He is going to be a great two way center in this league.
Luke Schenn (B+) I love the way he plays, but he has to learn how to pick his spots with his hitting. As a D positioning should be the number 1 priority. Just ask Pronger that. With that being said he put in top minutes and was one of the best D's we had this season.
Kimmo Timonen (A) His age shown some, but that is to be expected playing in this type of scheme which calls for the D's to become very active. He never stops trying, is the smartest D we have with the puck and shuts down 2 on 1's against him with ease. My favorite D on this team easily.
Bruno Gervais (D-) Why did he play so much? He is a forward playing defense. He was never in position and was not good at defense.
Braydon Coburn (C-) I was never that impressed with Coburn until the playoffs start. He was the new scape goat to take Carles place. He is worth keeping around as long as this team makes the playoffs. In the playoffs he becomes a top D that can shut down the opposing teams top players. In the regular season he just seems to coast half the time.
Nicklas Grossmann (A) Our best Defensive D on the team. I love his game and hope he can stay healthy.
Erik Gustafsson (B+) I was always down on Gustafsson, but he has shown me this season that he deserves to be on this roster. He has top 4 potential with pp time. He was much better on his positioning than I remembered from seasons past. I was always a Bourdon > Gustafsson person but that has changed.
Kurtis Foster (C+) I expected a terrible player and he ended up being a good team guy with a bomb of a shot and an actual smart player with his positioning. Sucks he can't take a hit though. I think a butterfly could knock him over.
Oliver Lauridsen (A-) A big mean defensive D that with more time in the minors can be a bottom pairing D on the Flyers. I was really surprised with him.
Andrej Meszaros (D-) I was one of the few that liked the trade when we got him, but he just has looked worse and worse each season. Even when he is playing all it seems that happens is he hangs his D partner out to dry with him pinching and the other team having a 2 on 1 against his D partner.
Kent Huskins (B) A really solid pickup and a surprise. A smart player with the puck with limited ability. A great 7th D to have.
Ilya Bryzgalov (C+) I didn't expect much from any goalie on this team with the way this team plays in its style of attacking and not worrying much about defense. Bryz had his ups where everyone loved him and he had his downs where everyone hated him. Bryz is the type of goalie that needs his confidence and the Flyers with this system won't give him the confidence he needs for all season long.
Steve Mason (A) A .944 save percentage? That was really a great start for him being on the Flyers, but lets see if he can keep it up before getting rid of Bryz.
Brian Boucher (F) He couldn't even start games when you knew Bryz needed a rest. He didn't have the trust in the coach and deserves the F grade.
If I missed anyone I apologize, I just thought a thread like this needed to be done at the end of every season. I do also apologize for the length!
Pretty close to what I'd say with a few exceptions
Hall is definitely a B or B+. He came in here late as a waiver wire pickup. He did his job perfectly and could possibly be back this season as the 4th line C. Heart and soul type guy. He cried after the season was over because he liked this team.
B. Schenn : B+ . He's finally starting to put it together like he was in the playoffs. Needs to work on when to go not go for a hit.
L. Schenn : A++. Best flyer this year besides Voracek, but they are probably really close. We expected Schenn to be similar to what he was in TOR the previous season, but he was our most consistent D man and his offense was looking okay.
Meszaros : C. Didn't expect much. Played well when healthy for those handful of games.
Pretty fair, unbiased assessment by flyersfan187.
I would agree on almost all the ratings.
It's almost impossible to come to a final decision on those players who have played only 10 games or less or who have been forced into bigger roles due to major injury woes.
While I liked how Huskins and Hall have filled in when given a chance, I can't tell if they really contributed that much or if they just joined at the right time when the season was already over and pressure had lowered and everybody startet to elevate their game...
Gervais should never have been in the lineup as a regular.
I was disappointed with Feds in general. He was solid defensively but a complete bust in terms of leadership and has turned into a non-factor even strength at this point of his career. Also, his great faceoff performance never translated from the KHL to the NHL.
Fedotenko is no better than a grade C on my list.
Good write up!
I do have to object to Rinaldo beating out Simmonds, Timonen, Schenn, Couturier, and Giroux with his A+. I would have given Rinaldo a B...he began to escape his rep and is easily one of, if not the best, hitting forward in the league. That is worth something.
I would put Lauridsen at a B or C+ as well. While he entertained me, he had his "WHAT AM I DOING?" moments occasionally.
Shelley is an F. I think Coburn is a D.
I think I'd put Couturier at a B or B+...this team would have been a tremendous wreck defensively without him. I agree on the C for Schenn; I think I'd give Read an A- because he's such a utility guy, and if he wasn't putting up points he was still playing on whatever line necessary, at whatever spot, while also doing PP and PK. He had very few games where I thought he was bad, maybe like 2-3.
Goaltending, I go with the F for Boosh as a nonfactor. Mason I would give an "incomplete" because I'm not comfortable with his time spent playing when it didn't matter behind a group of energized guys playing their brains out to show they can maybe be NHL players. I'd give Bryz a D+. He was brutal, no other way around it. Just as Voracek's season ended up cancelling out his thoroughly putrid start, Bryzgalov's season ended up cancelling his excellent start. He started a lot, but it's not like he improved dramatically once he was rested. Leighton is an obvious F.
This team would have been a wreck without Couturier defensively which is why I can't stand seeing him in trade offers. Both Giroux and Schenn shouldn't be against the other teams top line. Granted Giroux would play well, I just wouldn't want that match up. Schenn on the other hand is not good defensively just yet because his positioning is one of the worst of all of our forwards currently. He is young though and will learn in time...Hopefully.
Thanks for the non-bashing thoughtful comments!
Just a couple:
Pretty solid. I would bring Gervais, Talbot and Hartnell up. Bryz, Grossmann, and Laughton (why is he even on the list?) down.
Lets not forget Schenn was on pace for 45 points in a full season and struggled mightily for 2/3 of the season. His numbers really weren't that bad, he had 26 points....
I think he'll be able to pot 55-60 points next year.
Yeah I thought Schenn did fine this year. He was a PPG player early in the season. If he can find consistency, he'll be one of the Flyers best forwards.
And lets not forget, he was playing with Briere most of the season....
I like your ratings and I agree with a good number of them except Adam Hall and Rosehill. They both played better than I would've ever expected.
I think Brayden Schenn derserves a B. He had portion where he was on pace for an A and then he got placed with some weak ES linemates and it affected his performance.
45-50 point pace is really encouraging at this point in his development. If that steadily improves and he becomes a 70-80 point guy in his prime, he's a perfect second line center. His two way game is pretty underrated because of how good Couturier is defensively too.
Another point on Brayden: when he was positioned in the slot on the power play he seemed more effective than Hartnell. Keeping him in that role may not have played well with Hartsy but I think it would have been the right move from a hockey standpoint.
Yeah I don't understand the continued disdain towards B. Schenn. He played well this year. I think we know what we're going to get from him in his career; about 55-70 pts per season spread out (aka inconsistent), some thunderous hits, and hopefully some improved two way play.
He was 3rd on the team in scoring for much of the season, finished 6th after the team woke up the final month. Not a bad season at all IMO.
I'm shocked people are rating Couturier higher.
Zero offence and inconsistent defense. The amount of turnovers he had at the blue line that resulted in goals against was mind boggling.
Considering C is "what we expected", I'd give him a D
Everything else outside of Hall seems to be on point.
Thanks for the good read FF187.
I would put Couts at D+, next year will go a long way in defining what type of player he becomes. Stuck as a shut down centre or viewed as a two way player.
And I love G but he was a B. He did not exceed expectations.
Good call out on the depth guys who over performed, we just have to hope they aren't required to do so next year.
Claude Giroux - B
Jakub Voracek - A+
Wayne Simmonds - B+
Scott Hartnell - C-
Daniel Briere - F
Matt Read - B-
Sean Couturier - C-
Brayden Schenn - C+
Simon Gagne - B-
Adam Hall - B
Ruslan Fedotenko - C+
Zac Rinaldo - A
Tye McGinn - B
Jay Rosehill - C
Max Talbot - C
Andrej Meszaros - D
Oliver Lauridsen - B-
Kimmo Timonen - A-
Luke Schenn - A
Braydon Coburn - D+
Nicklas Grossmann- A-
Kent Huskins - B
Kurtis Foster - F
Bruno Gervais - C
Erik Gustaffson - B+
Ilya Bryzgalov - C
Steve Mason - B+
Brian Boucher - F
Michael Leighton - Z
G is accurate, because his slow start really brought the team down. A different start with Bryz actually playing well would have meant the playoffs.
B- is a little harsh for Read given he came back too early and was playing through pain.
I would have Kimmo as an A rather than A- and B. Schenn as a B- rather than C+ and Hartnell should be a D in my opinion. He was brutal at even strength.
He also had the least consistent and worst linemates of any player on our team (look at the advanced stats)
While playing some of the hardest minutes in the WHOLE NHL (honestly... ~second among centres, matching against top lines every single night) and still having pretty good CORSI (best by a mile among players in NHL with the kind of minutes he plays.)
I would say he was consistently our best defensive forward, look at the advanced stats... the guy was vital. When he played more minutes we won at a higher %.
I honestly don't know what people were expecting! He played far harder mins than anyone who will be considered for the Selke this year... and had a positive CORSI and kept his PPG the same as last year. Statistically he is honestly one of the best 20 defensive forwards in the NHL in his 2nd season.
If he had put up over .5 PPG it would have been miraculous given the minutes he plays, no-one in the NHL who played his kind of minutes had over .35 PPG, and the guys who had more PPG than him in that bracket had far, far worse CORSI (like -10), all of the guys who play those minutes have been in the NHL for 5+ years... apart from Couts, who started the season month or so after turning 20.
I'd give him a C+ or B-, he was very impressive in my opinion considering what he was asked to do, but I do acknowledge that people expected a PPG increase.
Agree on Gagne and Huskins.
Regardless of whether Gagne can still snipe it he is still a silky skater and id never out of position. You can see Hitchcock's finger prints all over his gme still. Much like Kapanen did later in his career Gagne still has the wheels and sense to play in the top 9 even if his scoring has dropped.
Claude Giroux: B: G played well and even while we have complaints about his performance, he still played at a PPG pace. However, we expect more of a game changing presence than we saw.
Jakub Voracek: A+: Jake really stepped it up this season. He's becoming the player everyone saw in him when he was drafted. He's working on his flaws and he really is a tremendously complete player.
Wayne Simmonds: B: Status quo for Simmonds. He showed flashes of improvement upon last year and he played well, but disappeared for stretches and sometimes tries to be a skill machine when he's not. His defense also improved, albiet slightly.
Brayden Schenn: B-: only because he started off so well. He's still effective given his energy when not scoring, but he needs to start putting it together. What scares me is that, more often than not, when you get to the point in even young players careers when you're saying "____ needs to start putting it together".... You get the point
Sean Couturier: C+: his defense is tremendous, althought I saw some chinks in that armor this season as well. He didnt seem to be as tenacious or anticipatory as last season and his offense experienced virtually no progress. I was expecting more from Couturier this season, especially after his playoff performance last year.
Matt Read: B: Status quo for Read as well. He wasn't as explosive as he was last year, and that could have been due to injury. His defense probably regressed a tad, but the entire teams defense was awful as well so it might be abstracted by that fact. He started off really well though as well.
Simon Gagne: B-: Responsible play, veteran presence. Offense could potentially still return. Tools are all still there. Hope he's resigned as he makes an ideal 3rd line winger for us who can move up and down the lineup.
Scott Hartnell: C-: would be lower, but I think hartnells injury threw him out of whack for the season. He seemed frustrated and regressed to old, bad habits. He needs to be a leader on this team and he needs to produce. He didnt do that this year, but I have hope that hell turn it around.
Daniel Briere: D-: Danny is a good guy. He's a good leader, but unfortunately I just don't think he has it anymore. Will likely be gone.
Max Talbot: C-: max had a disappointing year, not just offensively but only really played solid defense sporadically before being injured. He needs to be the heart and soul guy in the mold of the man he was brought in to replace... I expected more from max.
Zac Rinaldo: A-: really took strides this year in becoming a valuable energy player. He hits like a train and even made progress in his relationship with the officials. He's a hard worker and really seems to want to be useful at the nhl level in whatever role necessary. Should have cemented himself on the 4th line for years to come.
Ty McGinn: B-: surprised me. Works hard and can chip in offensively here and there. Can hit and fight as well. His defensive game needs some work if he hopes to maintain an nhl job.
Mike Knuble: C+: what I expected essentially. His career is likely over and was really only a warm body anyway. Good guy though.
Adam Hall: C: great in the circle. Not very noticeable in any other facet... Which could be a good thing I guess.
Jay Rosehill: C: good fighter. Can hit hard too. Doesn't bring much else, but not much else is really expected.
Ruslan Fedotenko: C: just average. Mediocre if you will. Decently responsible, but not excelling. Scarce offensive contribution anymore.
Kimmo Timonen: A: responsible in all areas of the game. His age really started to show this season though. His reaction time is slowing down, along with his legs. Offensive production is still decent, though not as potent as it was.
Luke Schenn: A-: I graded him so high because I feel like he really made strides In his development in comparison with his last few seasons in Toronto. His speed was better than advertised as was his first pass. He's very consistent and is quite obviously improving. He's prone to taking himself out of position, though less so than I saw I Toronto, and sometimes he gets turned around easily, though his efforts getting back into position are usually admirable. I hope he continues to improve.
Braydon Coburn: C-: probably the biggest disappointment for me this year. I really thought he would step it up and he didnt. At all. In fact he regressed significantly. His offense has essential disappeared and his psyicality was even less prominent than its usual sporadic nature.
Nicklas Grossmann: B+: very solid, physical when need be and positionally sound. An ideal 3rd pairing, shutdown guy.
Andrej Meszaros: D: hard for me to give him and F. He's glass nowadays, but I kind of feel bad for him. He just can't stay healthy and you know it's probably frustrating for him. Any discrepancies in his game in the little time he HAS played can be directly attributed to his injuries.
Erik Gustafsson: B: mainly because he exceeded my expectations late in the season. I have never been a big supporter and never saw what so many saw in him. His positioning has improved as well as his offensive confidence. He really could stand to add some muscle and needs to be stronger on the boards though. The improvement is nice to see though. Could become a decent 3rd pairing puck mover with 2nd PP unit capabilities.
Bruno Gervais: C-: borderline 6th defenseman. Is pretty unreliable under any sort of pressure. Turns the puck over a lot. Is pretty much a warm body.
Kurtis Foster: F: bad.
Kent Huskins: C+: was actually pretty content with him in his short time here. Was solid, reliable and did was he was supposed to do. Hard worker too.
Oliver Lauridsen: B-: the Great Dane sure put in one hell of an effort towards the end of the season. Throwing himself in front of shots and being physical. He exceeded almost everyone's expectations in his showings due to injuries. Not sure if there's any tangible nhl upside there. Could probably be a deceny bottom pairing stay at home dman at best and a career callup at worst.
Ilya Bryzgalov: C+: he was average. Started off the season great and then reverted to his usual old self after over usage and little team defense. The teams struggles were not because of Bryz, but there was also no solution in his play either. He stole a few games early and then every now and then after... Pretty average. And for a goaltender with his contract, that's not OK.
Steve Mason: A: limited showings, but he really played great in those. Is the sole reason that were picking 11th and not 5th-8th probably. Really showed why he was the Calder winner in his rookie season and proved that the talent and athleticism is still there. I believe he has all the ability to put it back together, and I hope he does.
Brian Boucher : F: bad.
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