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Beef Invictus 05-08-2013 12:40 PM

The All-Purpose Goaltending Thread XI
 
And on it goes.

I'm with BBS. Signing Bryz made a lot less sense than a stopgap veteran, for once.

Giroux It 05-08-2013 12:42 PM

Its not even Bryz really, they would have made this mistake with any goaltender IMO. The problem is they weren't looking for a stopgap or to groom somebody, they were looking to go all-in regardless of the consequences. And here he comes back to bite them with Bob

GoneFullHextall 05-08-2013 01:02 PM

Oh we are using roman numerals now? I wonder where that idea came from :sarcasm:

MsMeow 05-08-2013 01:17 PM

I laugh at anyone who tries to downplay Bob's performance here. Remember this: he came here not speaking English, no support system and was a self-taught goalie. He was overplayed badly by Lavi and was exhausted by the time the playoffs came around. Then they brought in Bryz and the writing was on the wall. He just needed some coaching by a good goalie coach and he got that...in Columbus.

JDinkalage Morgoone 05-08-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MsWoof (Post 65610677)
I laugh at anyone who tries to downplay Bob's performance here. Remember this: he came here not speaking English, no support system and was a self-taught goalie. He was overplayed badly by Lavi and was exhausted by the time the playoffs came around. Then they brought in Bryz and the writing was on the wall. He just needed some coaching by a good goalie coach and he got that...in Columbus.

Who has downplayed it? We've all been applauding how great he has been!

MsMeow 05-08-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JDinklage Morgoone (Post 65610979)
Who has downplayed it? We've all been applauding how great he has been!

A few people have made comments that he only had half a good season. All he needed was proper coaching and playing management, and a decent backup.

Broad st phantom 05-08-2013 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MsWoof (Post 65615885)
A few people have made comments that he only had half a good season. All he needed was proper coaching and playing management, and a decent backup.

I think the majority here realizes how great he has been, but carry on.

Curufinwe 05-10-2013 10:31 AM

I find it hard to argue with most of this article.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...altending.html

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My inbox was filled with vitriol for asking Bryzgalov after the season if he thought he'd been professional during his tenure with the Flyers. Some saw that as out of line. On the ice, Bryzgalov has been mostly professional - aside from the water bottle and stick throwing - and he has put in an honest effort. Can anyone say that he has handled himself in the most professional way in front of a microphone? He's been a headline writer's dream and a front-office nightmare.

For the record, I do not believe Bryzgalov to be a bad person. He is a family man who clearly enjoys spending time with his kids, who were often around the rink. I do not believe him to be a bad goaltender. None of this is personal - we don't have any sort of relationship, positive, negative or otherwise. And a reporter's job is not to be liked, but rather to answer tough questions like how to solve the Flyers' goaltending.

I do believe, though, that Bryzgalov has been a marginal goaltender in his 99 appearances as a Flyer. His combined save percentage in 99 games in .902. His goals-against average is 2.61.

Take all of Bryzgalov's "color" out of the mix for a second. Are those stats worth $5.667 million a year for the next 7 years? That's 8.8 percent of next year's salary cap.

When you throw Bryzgalov's personality back into the mix, which clearly has the ability to rub team-first players the wrong way, I think the answer becomes a bit clearer. It's easy to say, because I don't need to write off $23 million over the next 14 years.

Flyersfan1493 05-10-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Curufinwe (Post 65756525)
I find it hard to argue with most of this article.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...altending.html

I stopped reading at "ask tough questions."

DrinkFightFlyers 05-10-2013 11:27 AM

Are Dominic Roussell or Tommy Soderstrom still active?

BillDineen 05-10-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Curufinwe (Post 65756525)
I find it hard to argue with most of this article.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...altending.html

One of the most idiotic pieces I have ever read. Where to start? His opinion or most others from other reporters on fixing the goaltending or other issues are useless at best.

He and the other writers need readers. They know they can provoke Bryz into saying something that might draw attention to their articles and proceed as such. That is it. That is their assignment.

Adam Warlock 05-10-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Curufinwe (Post 65756525)
I find it hard to argue with most of this article.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...altending.html

80% of his argument is based on his own speculation that Bryz is a locker room problem. The only shred of evidence he has of that is something a couple of his former PHX teammates said. If Bryz was really a locker room problem, don't you think Pronger (Bryz's teammate in ANA) wouldve stepped up and said so before they signed him? These guys are professionals. If some players dont like Bryz, it shouldnt change anything. If a player in this locker room did not play their hardest this year bc they dont like Bryz's personality (as Frank is suggesting), then that player is the problem, not Bryz.

I think they should give Bryz one more year and buy him out next summer, but I recognize that there is an argument for buying him out this summer... yet this article does not make it at all. It sounds like Serevalli is just trying to defend himself more than anything.

Also, what would bringing in Bernier say to Mason? Mason played with fire bc he wants to be the future goalie here...how is bringing in another 25 year old with the same goal going to solve anything? If you do buy out Bryz, bringing in a vet makes a lot more sense.

RevUpThoseGolfCarts 05-10-2013 11:57 AM

bryz sucks

LegionOfDoom91 05-10-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BillDineen (Post 65760017)
One of the most idiotic pieces I have ever read. Where to start? His opinion or most others from other reporters on fixing the goaltending or other issues are useless at best.

He and the other writers need readers. They know they can provoke Bryz into saying something that might draw attention to their articles and proceed as such. That is it. That is their assignment.

I agree that Bryz's days should be numbered here. Other than that though garbage article that felt like it was written by a teenage girl.

spudnick 05-10-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RevUpThoseGolfCarts (Post 65761177)
bryz sucks

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BernieParent 05-10-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mota (Post 65761139)
80% of his argument is based on his own speculation that Bryz is a locker room problem. The only shred of evidence he has of that is something a couple of his former PHX teammates said. If Bryz was really a locker room problem, don't you think Pronger (Bryz's teammate in ANA) wouldve stepped up and said so before they signed him? These guys are professionals. If some players dont like Bryz, it shouldnt change anything. If a player in this locker room did not play their hardest this year bc they dont like Bryz's personality (as Frank is suggesting), then that player is the problem, not Bryz.

I think they should give Bryz one more year and buy him out next summer, but I recognize that there is an argument for buying him out this summer... yet this article does not make it at all. It sounds like Serevalli is just trying to defend himself more than anything.

Also, what would bringing in Bernier say to Mason? Mason played with fire bc he wants to be the future goalie here...how is bringing in another 25 year old with the same goal going to solve anything? If you do buy out Bryz, bringing in a vet makes a lot more sense.

To me, bringing in Bernier (of which I am not an advocate) would say to Mason that nobody is being given the starter's job and that the Flyers want two young, talented goaltenders to compete for ice time, just like any other player needs to do on a well-run organization. Bringing in a well-past-his-prime vet sends a bad message to Mason; ie, that Mason is the starter.

spudnick 05-10-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mota (Post 65761139)
80% of his argument is based on his own speculation that Bryz is a locker room problem. The only shred of evidence he has of that is something a couple of his former PHX teammates said. If Bryz was really a locker room problem, don't you think Pronger (Bryz's teammate in ANA) wouldve stepped up and said so before they signed him? These guys are professionals. If some players dont like Bryz, it shouldnt change anything. If a player in this locker room did not play their hardest this year bc they dont like Bryz's personality (as Frank is suggesting), then that player is the problem, not Bryz.

I think they should give Bryz one more year and buy him out next summer, but I recognize that there is an argument for buying him out this summer... yet this article does not make it at all. It sounds like Serevalli is just trying to defend himself more than anything.

Also, what would bringing in Bernier say to Mason? Mason played with fire bc he wants to be the future goalie here...how is bringing in another 25 year old with the same goal going to solve anything? If you do buy out Bryz, bringing in a vet makes a lot more sense.

Why? Keeping him here 1 more year does what, besides take up 8.8% of the cap space?

CSKA1974 05-10-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MsWoof (Post 65615885)
A few people have made comments that he only had half a good season. All he needed was proper coaching and playing management, and a decent backup.

And that was not going to happen here, unfortunately.

CSKA1974 05-10-2013 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Curufinwe (Post 65756525)
I find it hard to argue with most of this article.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...altending.html

this garbage piece of journalizm is a response to Bryz's interview yesterday in the perpetual war of words between Bryz and Philly media.

LegionOfDoom91 05-10-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BernieParent (Post 65763237)
To me, bringing in Bernier (of which I am not an advocate) would say to Mason that nobody is being given the starter's job and that the Flyers want two young, talented goaltenders to compete for ice time, just like any other player needs to do on a well-run organization. Bringing in a well-past-his-prime vet sends a bad message to Mason; ie, that Mason is the starter.

I agree with this. I think it's a forgone conclusion that Bryz will be out of here before 2014 ends anyway. Unless we need the cap space there's no difference in Bryz being on the roster next year or not.

Despite what they may say the organization is going to spend all their time and focus on Mason next season.

CSKA1974 05-10-2013 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BernieParent (Post 65763237)
To me, bringing in Bernier (of which I am not an advocate) would say to Mason that nobody is being given the starter's job and that the Flyers want two young, talented goaltenders to compete for ice time, just like any other player needs to do on a well-run organization. Bringing in a well-past-his-prime vet sends a bad message to Mason; ie, that Mason is the starter.

There is also another side to this argument- you have to pay twice (both financially and team deppth wise) to bring Bernier here. Bryz must be paid, Bernier must be paid and you need to gut the team to pry Bernier from LA. Once rumors of Bryz's buyout hit the news Bernier's asking price will go up exponentially.

DrinkFightFlyers 05-10-2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MsWoof (Post 65610677)
I laugh at anyone who tries to downplay Bob's performance here. Remember this: he came here not speaking English, no support system and was a self-taught goalie. He was overplayed badly by Lavi and was exhausted by the time the playoffs came around. Then they brought in Bryz and the writing was on the wall. He just needed some coaching by a good goalie coach and he got that...in Columbus.

Now Bob was overplayed? I've never seen a goalie that played in 54 games called overplayed (and certainly not badly overplayed). He played 19 more games than he ever played so he was overplayed? I assume that is the reason you are saying he was over played. Give me a break.

EDIT: Also 7 of those games he played half the game or less, either in relief or being pulled.

Haute Couturier 05-10-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BernieParent (Post 65763237)
To me, bringing in Bernier (of which I am not an advocate) would say to Mason that nobody is being given the starter's job and that the Flyers want two young, talented goaltenders to compete for ice time, just like any other player needs to do on a well-run organization. Bringing in a well-past-his-prime vet sends a bad message to Mason; ie, that Mason is the starter.

You heard Snider. They are prepared to run with him as the starter.

Embiid 05-10-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Curufinwe (Post 65756525)
I find it hard to argue with most of this article.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...altending.html

Well below comment is spot on at least..

Bright side...at least the polarization with Bryz is not as bad as Hitchcock and Halak these days. Supposedly the two of them got into a big shouting match over playing time.....talk about distraction..during the playoffs no less. I can only imagine Bryz and Hitchcock especially with the way Hitch needles certain players to motivate them....

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Gambling is exactly what Ed Snider did when he bid against himself for Bryzgalov's $51 million contract 2 years ago, anyway.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...X3H5hBgXhrp.99

Adam Warlock 05-10-2013 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spudnick (Post 65763559)
Why? Keeping him here 1 more year does what, besides take up 8.8% of the cap space?

They dont need that 8.8% cap space next year. Amnestying Briere and LTIRing Pronger gets them enough cap space. When they will need that cap space is next summer when they need to resign G, Schenn, Coots, and Read. I'd rather they wait and buy out Bryz then instead of them using his money to sign a player they dont need to a big contract this summer, essentially screwing them for next year. They always spend to the cap.

It also gives Mason another year to develop and get his game consistently where he wants it without having the pressure of being "the guy". If Mason out plays Bryz, give him more starts. If Mason flops, then you know you need to look for two new goalies next year. If both play well, then they both play well.

If for some reason a player becomes available that is worth the cap investment, then I'd be ok with buying him out this summer. If they do it just to do it like the article is suggesting, I just think its a mistake.


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