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King of the ES* 05-09-2013 07:41 AM

Zack Kassian's Future
 
Anyone remember Stromile Swift?

Vancouver Grizzlies' 2nd overall pick in the 2000 NBA Draft, natural gifts galore. Incredible athleticism - 6'10" and could jump out of the gym. He went on to have a few decent seasons in the NBA, none spectacular, and absolutely did not live up to expectations/potential. An explanation for this, IMO, was that Stro simply didn't have the fundamentals of the game down pat, and his work ethic was questionable.

Remind you of anyone else?

LPH 05-09-2013 08:10 AM

:facepalm:

Wilch 05-09-2013 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of the ES (Post 65677549)
Anyone remember Stromile Swift?

Vancouver Grizzlies' 2nd overall pick in the 2000 NBA Draft, natural gifts galore. Incredible athleticism - 6'10" and could jump out of the gym. He went on to have a few decent seasons in the NBA, none spectacular, and absolutely did not live up to expectations/potential. An explanation for this, IMO, was that Stro simply didn't have the fundamentals of the game down pat, and his work ethic was questionable.

Remind you of anyone else?

No. Not really.

m9 05-09-2013 08:34 AM

12-18 goals next year.

digger18 05-09-2013 09:03 AM

Kassian is going to be fine and basketball sucks

Nick the Viking 05-09-2013 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of the ES (Post 65677549)
Anyone remember Stromile Swift?

Vancouver Grizzlies' 2nd overall pick in the 2000 NBA Draft, natural gifts galore. Incredible athleticism - 6'10" and could jump out of the gym. He went on to have a few decent seasons in the NBA, none spectacular, and absolutely did not live up to expectations/potential. An explanation for this, IMO, was that Stro simply didn't have the fundamentals of the game down pat, and his work ethic was questionable.

Remind you of anyone else?

Get off the ledge bud, he's gonna be fine.

He's still young and a power forward - we knew he'd take a few years to develop. We were spoiled with his start to the season and how it ended was pretty underwhelming. Somewhere in between that would be what I'd expect for next year, if not closer to how he started (linemates dependant)

PRNuck 05-09-2013 09:09 AM

I just want to take this opportunity to again thank arsmaster, who showed me how to ignore threads.

LPH 05-09-2013 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digger18 (Post 65680099)
Kassian is going to be fine and basketball sucks

this

y2kcanucks 05-09-2013 09:13 AM

I can see Kassian becoming a blend of Torres and Bernier. He hasn't really shown much of anything offensively outside of a mini streak with the Sedins at the beginning of the season. Not sure he will be this big top 6 force everyone seems to say he will be.

Alflives 05-09-2013 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digger18 (Post 65680099)
Kassian is going to be fine and basketball sucks

Good one! The NBA is horrible. Zero interest in that league.

dave babych returns 05-09-2013 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kcanucks (Post 65680579)
I can see Kassian becoming a blend of Torres and Bernier. He hasn't really shown much of anything offensively outside of a mini streak with the Sedins at the beginning of the season. Not sure he will be this big top 6 force everyone seems to say he will be.

He will probably be a 2nd/3rd line type.

I don't think many (reasonable) posters have been saying he's destined to be a "top six force" - I'm betting that some nights he is exactly that and others he's on the third line..

If he can do that and be a consistent physical force and a bit of a wildcard, I'm happy.

The Kassian Train 05-09-2013 09:36 AM

:clap:

:deadhorse

Another well thought out post which you haven't brought up before. :sarcasm:

Lonny Bohonos 05-09-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dave babych returns (Post 65681463)
He will probably be a 2nd/3rd line type.

I don't think many (reasonable) posters have been saying he's destined to be a "top six force" - I'm betting that some nights he is exactly that and others he's on the third line..

If he can do that and be a consistent physical force and a bit of a wildcard, I'm happy.

I'll be unreasonable. He will.

GrogZilla 05-09-2013 09:46 AM

Yeah he certainly still has the potential to be an elite NHL power forward.

NHL history is full of power forwards who didn't become serious scorers until their mid 20's.

y2kcanucks 05-09-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrogZilla (Post 65682211)
Yeah he certainly still has the potential to be an elite NHL power forward.

NHL history is full of power forwards who didn't become serious scorers until their mid 20's.

Were they as unproductive as Kassian has been in their early 20's?

The Kassian Train 05-09-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kcanucks (Post 65682303)
Were they as unproductive as Kassian has been in their early 20's?

Absolutely.

Todd Bertuzzi had 36 points in his first 116 games.
Keith Primeau had 31 points in his first 97 games.
Joe Thornton had 48 points in his first 138 games.
Zack Kassian has 21 points in his first 83 games.

Did you want me to keep going?

Shareefruck 05-09-2013 10:04 AM

He wasn't spectacular or anything, but the way he played in the playoffs actually did give me some hope.

Lonny Bohonos 05-09-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Kassian Train (Post 65682941)
Absolutely.

Todd Bertuzzi had 36 points in his first 116 games.
Keith Primeau had 31 points in his first 97 games.
Joe Thornton had 48 points in his first 138 games.
Zack Kassian has 21 points in his first 83 games.

Did you want me to keep going?

Shhhhh....

y2kcanucks 05-09-2013 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Kassian Train (Post 65682941)
Absolutely.

Todd Bertuzzi had 36 points in his first 116 games.
Keith Primeau had 31 points in his first 97 games.
Joe Thornton had 48 points in his first 138 games.
Zack Kassian has 21 points in his first 83 games.

Did you want me to keep going?

Kassian is 22 and just came off a season where he averaged 22 points/82 games.

At the same age Bertuzzi averaged 29. Primeau averaged 77. Thornton averaged 84.

VinnyC 05-09-2013 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kcanucks (Post 65683741)
Kassian is 22 and just came off a season where he averaged 22 points/82 games.

At the same age Bertuzzi averaged 29. Primeau averaged 77. Thornton averaged 84.

Glass half full/half empty, eh.

y2kcanucks 05-09-2013 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinnyC (Post 65683821)
Glass half full/half empty, eh.

I just don't see it with Kassian. I think he can be a useful player, but I don't see him being a guy who will score 30-40 goals or 70-80 points. I think maybe 20g/20a if we are lucky.

CrazyJ 05-09-2013 10:19 AM

I think next year he needs to be played and not bounced around through the lineup. He was brought in to be a top 6 guy, so play him top 6 for the year on stable lines. At least after that we could know what we really have in him. This bouncing around from 1st to 4th to 2nd to 4th has to stop, how can we expect him to develop like that?

ddawg1950 05-09-2013 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of the ES (Post 65677549)
Anyone remember Stromile Swift?

Vancouver Grizzlies' 2nd overall pick in the 2000 NBA Draft, natural gifts galore. Incredible athleticism - 6'10" and could jump out of the gym. He went on to have a few decent seasons in the NBA, none spectacular, and absolutely did not live up to expectations/potential. An explanation for this, IMO, was that Stro simply didn't have the fundamentals of the game down pat, and his work ethic was questionable.

Remind you of anyone else?

Yeah. Your posts.

The Kassian Train 05-09-2013 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kcanucks (Post 65683741)
Kassian is 22 and just came off a season where he averaged 22 points/82 games.

At the same age Bertuzzi averaged 29. Primeau averaged 77. Thornton averaged 84.

Where they also had 80 + Games more experience for each respected individual by the time they hit the age..where as I was going at the number of games they first played despite age which is a far more accurate representation.

Age isn't so much a factor as is experience in this case. I expect him to be a 30-30 guy 35-35 guy. Not the ridiculous 80 points consistent basis or bust.

arsmaster 05-09-2013 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kcanucks (Post 65683901)
I just don't see it with Kassian. I think he can be a useful player, but I don't see him being a guy who will score 30-40 goals or 70-80 points. I think maybe 20g/20a if we are lucky.

Ryane Clowe didn't establish himself as an NHLer until 24.


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