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Moonlapse Vertigo 05-09-2013 02:31 PM

Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part 17: What does "bold" mean?
 
Quote:

Bruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur
Kaboom? RT @HarrisonMooney: Gillis: Five years ago we came in here and reset this organization and it's time to do it again.
Fire sale in Vancouver? They're already in cap trouble going into the off-season so now is as good a time as any to hit the reset button.

joestevens29 05-09-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonlapse Vertigo (Post 65697201)
Fire sale in Vancouver? They're already in cap trouble going into the off-season so now is as good a time as any to hit the reset button.

So if you are ownership, why is Gillis the one to reset? He built around the Sedins and Lou and couldn't get it done, so why is it going to better this time when in reality they don't have anyone up front that they can build around.

Hockey Nightmare 05-09-2013 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 65697485)
So if you are ownership, why is Gillis the one to reset? He built around the Sedins and Lou and couldn't get it done, so why is it going to better this time when in reality they don't have anyone up front that they can build around.

They do. They have Sam Gagner, in return for Alex Edler. :sarcasm:

joestevens29 05-09-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Ones (Post 65698135)
They do. They have Sam Gagner, in return for Alex Edler. :sarcasm:

I really think they have to get rid of the Sedins to make the next level. Problem is what do they actually get for them? The only teams I can see making a pitch are CBJ, NSH and Florida. So what do you get from those teams?

McRib 05-09-2013 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 65698305)
I really think they have to get rid of the Sedins to make the next level. Problem is what do they actually get for them? The only teams I can see making a pitch are CBJ, NSH and Florida. So what do you get from those teams?

And I would imagine the Sedins would only go somewhere as a package deal. Though it'd be interesting to see what they can do apart. I bet they've never played on different teams.

joestevens29 05-09-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobs (Post 65698577)
And I would imagine the Sedins would only go somewhere as a package deal. Though it'd be interesting to see what they can do apart. I bet they've never played on different teams.

My assumption is that they are dealt together, that's why I think it makes them tough to move as not too many teams are looking for 2/3 of a first line.

T-Funk 05-09-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 65698771)
My assumption is that they are dealt together, that's why I think it makes them tough to move as not too many teams are looking for 2/3 of a first line.

I'm sure Florida, Nashville, Calgary, Phoenix, CBus certainly wouldn't mind having them around.

joestevens29 05-09-2013 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Funk (Post 65699123)
I'm sure Florida, Nashville, Calgary, Phoenix, CBus certainly wouldn't mind having them around.

Can't see PHX spending that kind of money to be honest.

Ya why not CGY they want to try make the playoffs next year.

The Sedins just seem like they would be for those teams that are struggling to make that next step and don't have anyone to rely on.

Do the Sedins want that? Will they waive their NTC or play out their contracts and either go back to Europe or maybe sign with a contender for 2mil a year to try win the cup?

Soundwave 05-09-2013 03:23 PM

I could see the Rangers being interested in the Sedins and would probably buy-out Richards' contract in that case.

That said, I doubt Vancouver seriously is entertaining dealing them.

Rogers Place is sold out every night at sky high ticket prices and there's no player that gauntness a Cup.

Pittsburgh's had Crosby *and* Malkin and has one Cup to show for it in like 6 seasons and they may be on the brink of an epic choke job against the Islanders. Or at the very least, that series has no business being that competitive.

Jimmi Jenkins 05-09-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonlapse Vertigo (Post 65697201)
Fire sale in Vancouver? They're already in cap trouble going into the off-season so now is as good a time as any to hit the reset button.

There's 3 guys I WANT off that team, Hamhuis, Burrows and Hansen, that would make this team SO much better.

Oilbleeder 05-09-2013 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins (Post 65700101)
There's 3 guys I WANT off that team, Hamhuis, Burrows and Hansen, that would make this team SO much better.

I'd take Edler over all 3. I think he'd be quite a good addition to our D.

Qrispy 05-09-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins (Post 65700101)
There's 3 guys I WANT off that team, Hamhuis, Burrows and Hansen, that would make this team SO much better.

I'd just take Garrison and Hamhuis.

Jimmi Jenkins 05-09-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YakuBOT (Post 65701967)
I'd just take Garrison and Hamhuis.

Garrison isn't that good, he didn't bring much to the table this year for the Nucks, and the Oilers need better quality depth upfront.

s7ark 05-09-2013 05:09 PM

Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part 17: What does "bold" mean?
 
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Here are some posts

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Originally Posted by Toydarian (Post 65699487)
Kesler is primarily a goal scorer who struggles to utilize his wingers well. Considering the Oilers have top wingers, it sounds like a bad combo.

It also doesn't help that he's such a d-bag and a diver.

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Originally Posted by MetaOil1993 (Post 65699511)
No thanks to Kesler, We don't need whiners/divers on this team, I doubt the Canucks would trade him here anyway.

I would love any of the other players though.

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Originally Posted by Lacaar (Post 65699547)
I wouldn't mind pursuing Paul Martin. Not with the 7th overall, he's just not consistent enough for that.

One of the seconds though and maybe one of our b prospects.(pretty much any prospect other than Klefbom and perhaps Marincin and the coke machines)

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Originally Posted by stoff (Post 65700015)
I would assume that's what it would take. I would be happy with a deal like that.

Trade market actually looks favourable this summer with a lot of teams looking to shed salary. Might be some pretty good bargains out there.

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Originally Posted by The Perfect Human (Post 65700335)
It's honestly weird how much his game has changed over the course of the lockout. He looks very comfortable playing the tough minutes alongside Hjalmarsson or Keith/Seabrook when he's on the ice.

And he didn't do anything special for the lockout either - he was playing on a traveling ice hockey team full of ex-pats out in Thailand. Weird huh?

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Originally Posted by The Perfect Human (Post 65700409)
Yes to the first 2, "meh" to the 3rd. Simmonds isn't a difference-maker the way Kes/Ryan are.

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Originally Posted by The Perfect Human (Post 65700439)
That's a heavy commitment on a guy arguably on the downslope of his career. Keep in mind RNH/Yak are due for extensions over the course of his contract as well.

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Originally Posted by misfit (Post 65701501)
If they retain some salary, I'd have interest, but not at full price. His cap hit is too high for that kind of term. At $4.6M, he's overpaid, but at $3.5M, he'd be a nice fit IMO.

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Originally Posted by jmoss45 (Post 65701545)
Kesler i'd do in a second if he was healthy. He's had constant injuries the last 2 years though, so I don't see how gambling 2 huge assets on him is worth it.

No chance I give that for Ryan. The last thing the oilers need is to spend their best assets on another non-physical winger.

Simmonds i'd love to add but not at the expense of 7th+MPS. We simply can't use those assets on wingers. We need a centre first, and D.


If we're dealing with Philly, I want the Schenns but that would likely cost Petry+7th+++

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Originally Posted by doubledown99 (Post 65702817)
Bob Stauffer said during the season that Det would love to get their hands on some of our Swedish prospects.

I know Det fans were against a Paajarvi for Smith swap. I think with the play of Dekeyser Smith maybe could become available.

Smith is LHD, puck mover so he fits our needs. He didn't breakout like some expected but he might be a worthwhile risk.

Paajarvi + Omark
for
B. Smith

Two other moves if like to see:

Gagner + Klefbom
for
Alzner

7th overall + Hemsky
for
5th overall

Sign Gordon, Bickell,Torres, Scuderi, Tim Thomas, Hendricks, Volpatti.

Torres-Nuge-Ebs
Hall-Gordon-Yak
Bickell-Horc-UFA
Volpatti-Hendricks-Brown

Alzner-JS
Smid-Petry
Smith-Scuderi

Dubs & TT

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Originally Posted by Tarus (Post 65703421)
Kesler is a risk with all his major injuries, definitely a 2nd line center type the Oilers could use though. Don't see why Vancouver moves him.

Bobby Ryan is a UFA soon, and has made it known that he wants to play out east. Trading long term assets for short term returns becomes an issue, and i suspect the long rumored deal of Coutiurer for Ryan goes through this offseason anyways.

Wayne Simmons is a decent player, can't help but think it's an overpay for a player who's value is sky high right now though.

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Originally Posted by stoff (Post 65703473)
That d is alright but the forwards are horrendous.

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Originally Posted by YakuBOT (Post 65703611)
1st deal: Yes
2nd: No
3rd: To move up 2 spots? Eh...depends on who's available and who's not. Most likely no.

That lineup is worse than the one we have now. Throwing a bunch of grinders on the team won't make us better. Torres on the 1st and Gordon on our 2nd line? Yikes.

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Originally Posted by doubledown99 (Post 65703661)
I sort of agree....I sort of did it that way because if we get the 5th we can let him develop instead of rushing. In mean time we need someone so I thought some players that can fit needs would do.

Torres brings toughness and can win board battles for Nuge and Ebs. Hall and Yak are talented enough that a guy that can win faceoffs and do the dirty work can work.The 4th line is the crash and bang-energy line.

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Originally Posted by The Perfect Human (Post 65703679)
Ok, so that means he still hits more than:
Winnik, Perry, Palmieri, Etem, Cogliano, Staubitz, Koivu, Steckel and Bonino

I guess Cory Perry is a non-physical winger as well...

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Originally Posted by The Perfect Human (Post 65703915)
Torres not being able to play a consistent top-6 role is the main reason why EDM moved him in the first place.

He's established himself as an ideal 3rd liner, and yet people are trying to slot him into a top-line role again. :facepalm:

Boyd Gordon at 2C is arguably even dumber of an idea. The guy's been playing a bottom-6 role his entire career. He was a 3rd liner on a non-playoff PHX team and a 4th liner for WAS when they made the playoffs.


Matt Ryan 05-09-2013 05:42 PM

I think a lot of you will moan and groan if we get a guy like Boyd Gordon or some third liner on our second line slowing down the likes of Yakupov or Eberle. Gagner can keep up with the high end talent, these bottom 6ers cant.

Paralyzer008 05-09-2013 06:14 PM

Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Clowe-Gagner-Eberle
Paajarvi-Horcoff-Hemsky
Smyth-Chipchura-Brown
Hartikainen/Lander/Emmerton

Smid-Petry
Scuderi-J.Schultz
Gilbert-Michalek
Potter/Klefbom

Dubnyk
Khudobin

Sign Ryane Clowe
Sign Rob Scuderi or Mark Streit
Sign Kyle Chipchura
Sigh Tom Gilbert after amnesty buyout
Trade Nick Schultz and Linus Omark to Red Wings for Cory Emmerton and a draft pick.
Trade EDM 2nd rounder in 2013 and Toni Rajala to Coyotes for Zbynek Michalek.

I think this team has enough depth and a decent enough roster to make the playoffs next year.
Hall-80 points
RNH-65 points
Eberle-65 points
Yakupov-60 points
Gagner-55 points
Clowe-45 points
Schultz-43 points
Hemsky-40 points
Paajarvi-35 points
Horcoff-28 points
Gilbert-26 points
Petry-23 points
Chipchura-23 points
Smyth-19 points
Michalek-18 points
Scuderi-16 points
Smid-12 points
Brown-7 points

In this case, the 1st rounder isn't used in trade, so Oilers end up drafting Nichushkin or Ristolainen or Monahan with the first and then can draft Jarry with their 2nd rounder. I'd also try to trade Belanger for an extra pick, and Nick Schultz would grab you Detroit's 3rd or 4th rounder so you have another pick.

Koto 05-09-2013 06:49 PM

hilarious you guys think the sedins need to be moved, you dont trade art ross winners in their prime. esp when the sign at far below market value.

Jimmi Jenkins 05-09-2013 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Koto (Post 65712759)
hilarious you guys think the sedins need to be moved, you dont trade art ross winners in their prime. esp when the sign at far below market value.

I agree, but they are on the down side of their prime.

armandh01 05-09-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Paralyzer008 (Post 65708437)
Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Clowe-Gagner-Eberle
Paajarvi-Horcoff-Hemsky
Smyth-Chipchura-Brown
Hartikainen/Lander/Emmerton

Smid-Petry
Scuderi-J.Schultz
Gilbert-Michalek
Potter/Klefbom

Dubnyk
Khudobin

Sign Ryane Clowe
Sign Rob Scuderi or Mark Streit
Sign Kyle Chipchura
Sigh Tom Gilbert after amnesty buyout
Trade Nick Schultz and Linus Omark to Red Wings for Cory Emmerton and a draft pick.
Trade EDM 2nd rounder in 2013 and Toni Rajala to Coyotes for Zbynek Michalek.

I think this team has enough depth and a decent enough roster to make the playoffs next year.
Hall-80 points
RNH-65 points
Eberle-65 points
Yakupov-60 points
Gagner-55 points
Clowe-45 points
Schultz-43 points
Hemsky-40 points
Paajarvi-35 points
Horcoff-28 points
Gilbert-26 points
Petry-23 points
Chipchura-23 points
Smyth-19 points
Michalek-18 points
Scuderi-16 points
Smid-12 points
Brown-7 points

In this case, the 1st rounder isn't used in trade, so Oilers end up drafting Nichushkin or Ristolainen or Monahan with the first and then can draft Jarry with their 2nd rounder. I'd also try to trade Belanger for an extra pick, and Nick Schultz would grab you Detroit's 3rd or 4th rounder so you have another pick.

Not really a fan tbh. Hemsky doesn't belong on any 3rd line (too bad hes out of a job on our 2nd) if he has to stay Paajarvi has to go. Don't really like Gilbert. Clowe is ok. Mixed feelings about Gagner but there are minimal replacements. Don't like that Smid is still top line if were hurting for puck moving. He should be with J. Schultz on the 2nd if necessary.

I am the Liquor 05-09-2013 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 65697485)
So if you are ownership, why is Lowe the one to reset? He built around Visnovsky and Souray and couldn't get it done, so why is it going to better this time when in reality they don't have anyone on the back end or in net that they can build around.

Fixed.

Oilfan2 05-09-2013 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paralyzer008 (Post 65708437)
Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Clowe-Gagner-Eberle
Paajarvi-Horcoff-Hemsky
Smyth-Chipchura-Brown
Hartikainen/Lander/Emmerton

Smid-Petry
Scuderi-J.Schultz
Gilbert-Michalek
Potter/Klefbom

Dubnyk
Khudobin

Sign Ryane Clowe
Sign Rob Scuderi or Mark Streit
Sign Kyle Chipchura
Sigh Tom Gilbert after amnesty buyout
Trade Nick Schultz and Linus Omark to Red Wings for Cory Emmerton and a draft pick.
Trade EDM 2nd rounder in 2013 and Toni Rajala to Coyotes for Zbynek Michalek.

I think this team has enough depth and a decent enough roster to make the playoffs next year.
Hall-80 points
RNH-65 points
Eberle-65 points
Yakupov-60 points
Gagner-55 points
Clowe-45 points
Schultz-43 points
Hemsky-40 points
Paajarvi-35 points
Horcoff-28 points
Gilbert-26 points
Petry-23 points
Chipchura-23 points
Smyth-19 points
Michalek-18 points
Scuderi-16 points
Smid-12 points
Brown-7 points

In this case, the 1st rounder isn't used in trade, so Oilers end up drafting Nichushkin or Ristolainen or Monahan with the first and then can draft Jarry with their 2nd rounder. I'd also try to trade Belanger for an extra pick, and Nick Schultz would grab you Detroit's 3rd or 4th rounder so you have another pick.

You posted this a little while ago..

The team still sucks, Clowe sucks, the D sucks..AND you have 25 players..Only allowed 23..

Paralyzer008 05-09-2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilfan2 (Post 65733389)
You posted this a little while ago..

The team still sucks, Clowe sucks, the D sucks..AND you have 25 players..Only allowed 23..

I made changes actually, and I explained what I did. Klefbom and Harty would start in OKC, so there would be 23. I disagree that Clowe, the team or the D suck in this scenario.

Anyways though, I don't care what you guys say, it's light years more likely even with the UFAs that are on it than most of the rosters I see. Everyone else has a roster that magically acquires players for nothing and/or trades away the big 4 for less and/or expects Hemsky to actually have value and/or expects a team to trade a big defender or forward and/or trades Gagner and then realizes that we have nothing left at C, or downgrades Gagner to a bigger player who is only a 35-40 point guy.

I sense a lot of Oiler fans will be clamoring at whatever move MacT makes only to criticize it later when it doesn't pan out. That's my guess.

jumptheshark 05-09-2013 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonlapse Vertigo (Post 65697201)
Fire sale in Vancouver? They're already in cap trouble going into the off-season so now is as good a time as any to hit the reset button.

Not sure how Gillis reset the canucks

The core he has now was more or less the same core he had back then. While he added a few D-men--most of the key players were brought in by Burke and Nonis

Joey Moss 05-09-2013 10:31 PM

I could see Dave Nonis trying to bring the Sedin's to Toronto if they're available. They have some assets to move and need to take the next step. Nonis' relationship with the two of them is just a bonus. Imagine a trade this summer involving the Sedin's and Luongo going to Toronto.

Would Grabovski, Kulemin, Gardiner, Rielly, 1st even get it done? That would be crazy..

Gobo 05-09-2013 10:38 PM

Hemsky for Blum is something I could fully get behind.


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