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Barney Stinson76 05-10-2013 12:39 PM

Drouin or MacKinnon?
 
who you guys think would put up better numbers at NHL level?
Iīm living in Europe and didnīt have the chance to see them play :(
and now I have the chance to pick first overall in a fantasy league and canīt decide between them ;)
The league is based only scoring so please help me out :)
thanks

Barney Stinson76 05-10-2013 06:15 PM

nobody can tell me? :(

George Maharis 05-10-2013 09:27 PM

Honestly, I have no idea what the answer would be... They both play two different styles of hockey, and it's difficult to guess at who'll get more points from it.

If I have to pick who I think will get more points, I'd go with Drouin simply because he's the more offensively talented player.

Killahpunk 05-10-2013 10:37 PM

It will depend on who they get to play with and which team they play for.

IHaveNoCreativity 05-12-2013 11:09 AM

I think Drouin will be the better player and he will get more points.

Patmac40 05-12-2013 12:48 PM

I think Mackinnon will be the better player but Drouin will have more points

TA1 Sports 05-12-2013 04:02 PM

Gun to my head, Nate.

My reasoning is this. I think Drouin is going to have trouble scoring at the NHL level at first. Not because of his size, but rather because of his all around goal scoring ability. He has a very solid shot, but not a great NHL shooter yet IMO. Dangles with the best of them, but I think he's going to be dishing the puck a ton and racking up assists. Especially if he's playing with Stamkos in Tampa.

Nate on the other hand, will go to dirty areas a bit more and I think it'll result in him scoring more around the net, his shot is better the Drouin's as well.

Put it this way, when they hit their primes in 5 years, I would expect numbers like this.

Nate - 40 goals - 45 assists
Jo - 25 goals - 55 assists

Such a tough thing to predict, but I'd expect it to shake out a bit like that down the road. Both are going to be successful pro's, the kids just have to much drive not to succeed.

IHaveNoCreativity 05-12-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cut and Dry Sports (Post 65880877)
Gun to my head, Nate.

My reasoning is this. I think Drouin is going to have trouble scoring at the NHL level at first. Not because of his size, but rather because of his all around goal scoring ability. He has a very solid shot, but not a great NHL shooter yet IMO. Dangles with the best of them, but I think he's going to be dishing the puck a ton and racking up assists. Especially if he's playing with Stamkos in Tampa.

Nate on the other hand, will go to dirty areas a bit more and I think it'll result in him scoring more around the net, his shot is better the Drouin's as well.

Put it this way, when they hit their primes in 5 years, I would expect numbers like this.

Nate - 40 goals - 45 assists
Jo - 25 goals - 55 assists

Such a tough thing to predict, but I'd expect it to shake out a bit like that down the road. Both are going to be successful pro's, the kids just have to much drive not to succeed.

I think they'll be 100+ points in their primes. They'll never stop working hard.

TA1 Sports 05-12-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity (Post 65881557)
I think they'll be 100+ points in their primes. They'll never stop working hard.

Well, they may get there. The potential is there. But even when you look at guys like Stamkos and Kane who are both approaching those prime years, have still yet to have 100 point seasons. That's tough to do in today's NHL. I don't know that I'm comfortable enough yet to say that they will both be top 5 or 8 players in the NHL. Which is where they'd need to be if they're putting up 100 points in a year.

Hope you're right though.

King Mapes 05-12-2013 08:37 PM

Drouin is likely a future line mate with Stamkos and St Louis (who is probably closing in on retirement but still). So I'd choose him in a fantasy league.

KingKadri 05-13-2013 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity (Post 65881557)
I think they'll be 100+ points in their primes. They'll never stop working hard.

I doubt that, 100 plus points seem to be a rarity recently and I don't see Nate being purely offensive enough or Jonathan's game transferring well enough to pull of seasons like that

fst6 05-13-2013 08:57 AM

Mackinnon seems like more of a sure thing to me, as Drouins style of play might be tougher to bring to the NHL (Rob Shremp).

Dgill 05-13-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzy Mandelbaum (Post 65934659)
Mackinnon seems like more of a sure thing to me, as Drouins style of play might be tougher to bring to the NHL (Rob Shremp).

Schremp and Drouin are not really comparable aside from their hands and size. Schremp is a one dimensional player who relied on flashy plays. Big reasons why he never succeeded in the NHL.

Drouin has a solid all around game (not as solid as MacKinnon's) that will allow him to have a decent NHL career. Pair that with his sky rocketing hockey IQ and the guy has the chance to be an excellent NHL player.

Players Drouin has been mostly compared to are St. Louis, Patrick Kane, and Claude Girioux. All of which are top line players.

KingKadri 05-13-2013 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dgill (Post 65944369)
Schremp and Drouin are not really comparable aside from their hands and size. Schremp is a one dimensional player who relied on flashy plays. Big reasons why he never succeeded in the NHL.

Drouin has a solid all around game (not as solid as MacKinnon's) that will allow him to have a decent NHL career. Pair that with his sky rocketing hockey IQ and the guy has the chance to be an excellent NHL player.

Players Drouin has been mostly compared to are St. Louis, Patrick Kane, and Claude Girioux. All of which are top line players.

Ya Drouin is somewhat of a lesser Kane in playing style, skill and junior point production. I would compare Schremp more to Frk: big shot, slick hands, one way, and dumb penalties.

fst6 05-13-2013 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dgill (Post 65944369)
Schremp and Drouin are not really comparable aside from their hands and size. Schremp is a one dimensional player who relied on flashy plays. Big reasons why he never succeeded in the NHL.

Drouin has a solid all around game (not as solid as MacKinnon's) that will allow him to have a decent NHL career. Pair that with his sky rocketing hockey IQ and the guy has the chance to be an excellent NHL player.

Players Drouin has been mostly compared to are St. Louis, Patrick Kane, and Claude Girioux. All of which are top line players.

Although he does have the potential to have the skill set to be a Kane or St. Louis if he pans out, he could be comparable to them in the future. But, at this moment, Drouin reminds me a lot of Shremp. Although Drouin has a slight advantage on Shremps skating at this point, it's a similar situation. I obviously thing Drouin will be more successful than Shremp, but still compare them.

RJQuack 05-13-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzy Mandelbaum (Post 65934659)
Mackinnon seems like more of a sure thing to me, as Drouins style of play might be tougher to bring to the NHL (Rob Shremp).

People won't like that comparison because of the name lol. But there are similarities... Hands, size... Drouin has a lot more than Schremp did and I believe will have more NHL success than Schremp, but that also isn't saying much.

Drouin's all-around game, vision and numbers he put up are all well above Schremp's at the same age... Schremp put up 145 points but as a 19yo and went 25th overall. I'm sure Drouin will go higher ( ;) ) and could do that at 18 even.

fst6 05-13-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RJQuack (Post 65951447)
People won't like that comparison because of the name lol. But there are similarities... Hands, size... Drouin has a lot more than Schremp did and I believe will have more NHL success than Schremp, but that also isn't saying much.

Drouin's all-around game, vision and numbers he put up are all well above Schremp's at the same age... Schremp put up 145 points but as a 19yo and went 25th overall. I'm sure Drouin will go higher ( ;) ) and could do that at 18 even.

It's almost as if people forget the numbers Shremp had in the CHL, aha.

KingKadri 05-13-2013 03:06 PM

Anyone think Drouin might be back with the moose next year? not really any point asking if Mackinnon will be

RJQuack 05-13-2013 03:08 PM

We can only hope.

Fel 96 05-14-2013 02:37 AM

To be honest, Drouin scares me a little bit more.

George Maharis 05-14-2013 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fel 96 (Post 66016333)
To be honest, Drouin scares me a little bit more.

In a good way (he could dominate) or a bad way (he could... go the Stefan route)..??

3 Minute Minor 05-14-2013 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KingKadri (Post 65952807)
Anyone think Drouin might be back with the moose next year? not really any point asking if Mackinnon will be

I think if he's in the NHL, it stunts his growth as a player. He'll get tossed around like a rag doll.



I'd take MacKinnon 10 times out of 9....... 10 times out of 9. He does all the little things that a lot of fans don't notice/care about. Picking off passes, winning battles on the boards, basic positioning, his ability to change speeds with ease, etc.

I think a lot of people were too focused on Drouins hands and point production and didn't really look at the overall play of the two.

optimus2861 05-14-2013 08:11 AM

Drouin has obvious skill, but I think his game is just a bit too flashy at this point to translate into the NHL. Not unlike other highly-touted Q stars who get plastered when they try those moves on NHL defencemen. It will probably take him a little longer than Mac to put up the points in the big show, and he may even end up back with the Moose next year though I wouldn't give it better than 50/50 odds.

MacKinnon is all but gone. I'd be shocked if he ended up back here, as there's just nothing left for him to learn in the Q. Such a pity he's likely to end up in Florida; what a wasteland of an NHL team in which to start his career.

KingKadri 05-14-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by optimus2861 (Post 66021523)
Drouin has obvious skill, but I think his game is just a bit too flashy at this point to translate into the NHL. Not unlike other highly-touted Q stars who get plastered when they try those moves on NHL defencemen. It will probably take him a little longer than Mac to put up the points in the big show, and he may even end up back with the Moose next year though I wouldn't give it better than 50/50 odds.

MacKinnon is all but gone. I'd be shocked if he ended up back here, as there's just nothing left for him to learn in the Q. Such a pity he's likely to end up in Florida; what a wasteland of an NHL team in which to start his career.

We will get to see a preview of that when he plays against Portland and London. I think he will still be an effective player but his points will drop dramatically

SympathyForTheDevils 05-14-2013 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by optimus2861 (Post 66021523)
Drouin has obvious skill, but I think his game is just a bit too flashy at this point to translate into the NHL. Not unlike other highly-touted Q stars who get plastered when they try those moves on NHL defencemen. It will probably take him a little longer than Mac to put up the points in the big show, and he may even end up back with the Moose next year though I wouldn't give it better than 50/50 odds.

MacKinnon is all but gone. I'd be shocked if he ended up back here, as there's just nothing left for him to learn in the Q. Such a pity he's likely to end up in Florida; what a wasteland of an NHL team in which to start his career.

This gets thrown around a lot, but the only player I can think of in the last 15 years that fits that description is PM Bouchard (and injuries had a lot to do with that). Historically, finesse forwards from the Q have had no problem translating their game to the NHL (at least, not any more than prospects from other leagues). It's the burlier, more physical players (Picard, Bourret, Bernier, Sheppard) that have had these problems.


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