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STLBLUES44 05-11-2013 02:11 AM

Frank and Rattie
 
Am I the only one hoping and praying that two or three years down the road these two guys turn in to the big time scorers they are now but in the NHL? Rattie seems like the exact type of player the blues needed during the series. a guy who is a natural goal scorer and fines soft spots in defenses.

Colt 55 05-11-2013 02:20 AM

Of course we want that, but Rattie is a bit more of a long shot than Frank though. Playing against men when you are 16 is much tougher than playing against other 16 and 17 year olds. I am excited to see if Rattie will make the team though, I think he and Schwartz could have some chemistry.

erderuft 05-11-2013 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by STLBLUES44 (Post 65815519)
Am I the only one hoping and praying that two or three years down the road these two guys turn in to the big time scorers they are now but in the NHL? Rattie seems like the exact type of player the blues needed during the series. a guy who is a natural goal scorer and fines soft spots in defenses.

Um, no. You are not the only one hoping for that to happen.

Sushiko 05-11-2013 09:30 AM

Yeah I'm hoping too!

SirPaste 05-11-2013 09:57 AM

Of course everyone hopes so too, but I have a hard time seeing Rattie make the transition, mostly because of his size, hope im wrong.

stlblues9 05-11-2013 10:21 AM

No, we are all hoping they bust...

bluesman11 05-11-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SirPaste (Post 65821585)
Of course everyone hopes so too, but I have a hard time seeing Rattie make the transition, mostly because of his size, hope im wrong.

I have the same feeling and I'm hoping they use him in a trade, or a #1 pick along with other assests to get a #1 center. With all these extra assets I'm hoping they go for it this off season. But since they don't have this years #1 a guy like Rattie is a more likely tradable asset then next years #1 pick, but I could be wrong. It just depends on the trading partner and where they're at in their rebuild.

bleedblue1223 05-11-2013 10:52 AM

People are acting like Rattie is a midget or something. He's 6 foot or just under and has been adding on muscle.

Colt 55 05-11-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bleedblue1223 (Post 65823349)
People are acting like Rattie is a midget or something. He's 6 foot or just under and has been adding on muscle.

Yea, he is bigger than Jaden was at this point last year.

Alklha 05-11-2013 11:16 AM

I've seen more of Rattie this season, and I'll say I am less worried about him making the transition to the NHL than I previously was. He has an elusiveness about him, a knack for finding open ice. He plays a more rounded game than I expected as well. I think after 12-18 months in the AHL he could make a pretty seamless transition to the NHL. Hope so, anyway.

Tarasenko will be significantly better next season. A rest, adjustment to North America, gather himself after the concussion and a full preseason will do him the world of good. He might not be the same pace he was before the concussion this season, but he'll be a lot closer to that pace next season than what we seen for the second half of this season.

Note fan in Big D 05-11-2013 11:42 AM

The defensively-responsible chip and chase, cycle along the boards seems rather limiting production-wise. Perron, Oshie, etc. aren't achieving their full offensive potential in Hitch's current system, and I'm worried this will happen to Tarasenko and Rattie as well. We need that No. 1 center to make everything work and allow for sniping!

Best scorers under Hitch:

1995-96 Dallas Stars (43 Games), Missed Playoffs:
- Mike Modano, 36 goals
- Greg Adams, 22 goals
- Brent Gilchrist, 20 goals

1996-97 Dallas Stars, Lost in First Round:
- Mike Modano, 35 goals
- Joe Nieuwendyk, 30 goals
- Greg Adams, 21 goals

1997-98 Dallas Stars, Lost in Conference Finals:
- Joe Nieuwendyk, 39 goals
- Pat Verbeek, 31 goals
- Jamie Langenbrunner, 23 goals
- Jere Lehtinen, 23 goals

1998-99 Dallas Stars, Won Stanley Cup:
- Mike Modano, 34 goals
- Brett Hull, 32 goals
- Joe Nieuwendyk, 28 goals

1999-2000 Dallas Stars, Lost in Cup Finals:
- Mike Modano, 38 goals
- Brett Hull, 24 goals
- Jamie Langenbrunner, 18 goals

2000-01 Dallas Stars, Lost in Second Round:
- Brett Hull, 39 goals
- Mike Modano 33 goals
- Joe Nieuwendyk, 29 goals

2001-02 Dallas Stars, Fired
- Mike Modano, 34 goals
- Jere Lehtinen, 25 goals
- Joe Nieuwendyk, 23 goals

2002-03 Philadelphia Flyers, Lost in Second Round:
- Jeremy Roenick, 27 goals
- Michal Handzus, 23 goals
- Mark Recchi, 20 goals

2003-04 Philadelphia Flyers, Lost in Conference Finals:
- Mark Recchi, 26 goals
- Simon Gagne, 24 goals
- John LeClair, 23 goals

2005-06 Philadelphia Flyers, Lost in First Round:
- Simon Gagne, 47 goals
- Mike Knuble, 34 goals
- Jeff Carter, 23 goals

2006-07 Philadelphia Flyers, Fired:
- Simon Gagne, 41 goals
- Mike Knuble, 24 goals
- R.J. Umberger, 16 goals

2006-07 Columbus Blues Jackets, Missed Playoffs:
- Rick Nash, 27 goals
- Fredrik Modin, 22 goals
- Sergei Federov, 18 goals

2007-08 Columbus Blues Jackets, Missed Playoffs:
- Rick Nash, 38 goals
- Nikolay Zherdev, 26 goals
- Jason Chimera, 14 goals

2008-09 Columbus Blue Jackets, Lost in First Round:
- Rick Nash, 40 goals
- R.J. Umberger, 26 goals
- Kristian Huselius, 21 goals

2009-10 Columbus Blue Jackets, Fired:
- Rick Nash, 33 goals
- Antoinne Vermette, 27 goals
- R.J. Umberger, 23 goals
- Kristian Huselius, 23 goals

2011-12 St. Louis Blues, Lost in Second Round:
- David Backes, 24 goals
- David Perron, 21 goals
- Patrik Berglund, 19 goals
- T.J. Oshie, 19 goals

2012-13 St. Louis Blues (48 Games), Lost in First Round:
- Chris Stewart, 18 goals
- Patrik Berglund, 17 goals
- David Perron, 10 goals

Colt 55 05-11-2013 12:43 PM

Anyone who questions Ratties size or ability, go checkout some game highlights on the WHL website. He scores damn near every time he has the puck it seems like.

HooliganX2 05-11-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bleedblue1223 (Post 65823349)
People are acting like Rattie is a midget or something. He's 6 foot or just under and has been adding on muscle.

I don't think he will be close in production wise but I can see Rattie being a poor mans Brett Hull in style.

stlblues9 05-11-2013 02:25 PM

I used to believe Eberle wasn't going to transition well to play in the NHL.

Robb_K 05-11-2013 04:37 PM

Rattie is 6 ft 180 lb now. After he weight trains this off season, he should be at least up to 190. After summer 2014, he should be about 6ft 200. That isn't too small to be effective, especially as he is elusive, and finds the open spots on the ice with regularity. He won't score as much as he did in juniors, but I think he should be a regular 30 goal scorer in The NHL.

illninofan* 05-11-2013 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Robb_K (Post 65835875)
Rattie is 6 ft 180 lb now. After he weight trains this off season, he should be at least up to 190. After summer 2014, he should be about 6ft 200. That isn't too small to be effective, especially as he is elusive, and finds the open spots on the ice with regularity. He won't score as much as he did in juniors, but I think he should be a regular 30 goal scorer in The NHL.

Yep.

Even a couple goals from two guys would have made a world of difference in this series.

I'd rather have four 30 goal scorers.

erderuft 05-12-2013 09:47 AM

Hope the Wolves manages Rattie well this coming season. Hope they play him much, in all kinds of situations and really gives him a chance to be a difference maker for them.

Gotta say, I'm a little worried about our prospects playing in Chicago next year. But that's a discussion for another time/place.

shifting 05-12-2013 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Note fan in Big D (Post 65824953)
The defensively-responsible chip and chase, cycle along the boards seems rather limiting production-wise. Perron, Oshie, etc. aren't achieving their full offensive potential in Hitch's current system, and I'm worried this will happen to Tarasenko and Rattie as well. We need that No. 1 center to make everything work and allow for sniping!

Best scorers under Hitch:
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Great post

intangible 05-12-2013 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Note fan in Big D (Post 65824953)
The defensively-responsible chip and chase, cycle along the boards seems rather limiting production-wise. Perron, Oshie, etc. aren't achieving their full offensive potential in Hitch's current system, and I'm worried this will happen to Tarasenko and Rattie as well. We need that No. 1 center to make everything work and allow for sniping!

Exactly right. Putting Tarasenko on the third or fourth lines isn't going to help his development or confidence. Or the public's perception of him, obviously. Wish Boudreau was available right about now.

Robb_K 05-12-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by erderuft (Post 65866999)
Hope the Wolves manages Rattie well this coming season. Hope they play him much, in all kinds of situations and really gives him a chance to be a difference maker for them.

Gotta say, I'm a little worried about our prospects playing in Chicago next year. But that's a discussion for another time/place.

I don't think The Wolves' coach will have any qualms about playing Rattie on The Power Play. The question is whether or not Rattie will demonstrate that he can play adequate defence. If so, he'll get plenty of even strength time, and together with PP time, he should get at least 16-17 minutes per game, even at the start of the season. It will just depend upon what he shows in camp, pre-season and the first few weeks of the season.

The Wolves only ice about 7 of their own players (including their goalie). Assuming (the worst for Rattie) they have 6 skaters, and 4 are forwards and 2 are defencemen, The Wolves could (at worst) occupy 4 of the 6 top 6 forward spots. that probably leaves (at LEAST) a spot for Rattie and Jaskin, with McRae slotted in the 3rd centre role. Lehtera is not going to want to play in The AHL. If he doesn't make The St. Louis roster, he'll want to be loaned to his KHL team.

A question comes in IF The Wolves have 3 veteran AHL defencemen. The Blues will want room for Haakenpaa, Edmundson and Fairchild. I don't think they'd be too worried about Ponich being the 6th and/or 7th.

Oberyn 05-12-2013 02:21 PM

There's something about Rattie that tells me he's going to be a helluva a player. His offensive instincts are very high, I could see him being similar to Phil Kessel, although his point totals may be slightly lower.

Daley Tarasenkshow 05-12-2013 03:50 PM

IMO, I see Rattie being a better player than Frank.

Terror91 05-12-2013 05:31 PM

Speaking of Rattie, with his first shorthanded goal tonight he is now the WHL all time playoff goal scoring leader. He's got two shorties tonight (same 4 min power play of Edmonton).

Bluesman91 05-12-2013 05:35 PM

I'm still impressed we were able to get Rattie and Jaskin in the 2nd round.

HooliganX2 05-12-2013 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall Ritchey (Post 65886449)
Speaking of Rattie, with his first shorthanded goal tonight he is now the WHL all time playoff goal scoring leader. He's got two shorties tonight (same 4 min power play of Edmonton).

Really hoping Rattie can be a clutch goal scorer in the NHL. He doesn't depend on speed or size it's more or less a Brett Hull like ability to be in the right place at the right time with a nose for the net.


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