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CREW99AW 05-15-2013 01:40 PM

Nassau County arena reno bid promises Islanders return (for 6 games)
 
Steve55 posted this.

Ratner's group and a group from MSG, are 2 of 4 groups bidding to develop Coliseum land. Part of Ratner's bid is having the Isles and Brooklyn Nets, play some regular season games at the new 13,000 seat Nassau County arena. Isles would play 6 games.

But, Ratner looks to have included that 6 game proposal, without clearing it with the NHL or Rangers. No way would the Rangers want to help Ratner's bid and I don't see the NHL wanting the isles playing in a 13,000 seat arena.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...bzapoJpjb0k0aL

By JOSH KOSMAN
Last Updated: 3:59 AM, May 15, 2013
Posted: 11:35 PM, May 14, 2013


The battle to renovate and operate a downsized Nassau Coliseum may be about to get nasty.

Bruce Ratner, one of four who is vying for the job and who is wooing Nassau County executives by promising to play six Islanders games at the 41-year-old arena even after they move to Barclays Center, may not be able to deliver on that promise, The Post has learned.

Madison Square Garden, which owns the NHL’s Rangers and is also bidding on the job, has to approve such a move — and that OK is not guaranteed, sources said.

Ratner took a full-page ad in a local newspaper yesterday touting the six-game slate, calling it “Nassau Like Never Before.”

“You can’t run around playing games wherever you want to,” a sports owner not directly involved in the battle said...

I thought Ratner is trying to bite more than he can chew here anyway. Also it may not make financial sense to play 6 games at the renovated Coliseum since that's not going to make up the loss from 6 less games at Barclays.

LadyStanley 05-16-2013 12:44 AM

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/stor...ording-sources

ESPN NY story from Strang with a couple more points:

Quote:

According to NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly, via a league spokesperson, the issue is an "internal matter upon which we are not commenting."

Although at least one league source doubted the capacity issues would be a deterrent -- "I don't think that would be a determining factor," the source told ESPNNewYork.com -- another person briefed on the situation believes otherwise.

That source said sacrificing revenue on those six games at Nassau, which is expected to hold a capacity of 13,000 fans after renovations, is a major concern.

CREW99AW 05-16-2013 11:23 AM

One of our posters bought up the point, that the Isles paid the NYR $4.5m for a territory fee and amended the agreement in the 1980s, allowing the Isles to play anywhere in Suffolk, Nassau, Queens or Brooklyn.

I expect Ratner would argue the NYR should have no say. A bigger issue could be, the league not wanting the isles playing 6 games in a 13,000 seat arena.

cheswick 05-16-2013 11:42 AM

I'm missing something. What do the Rangers have to do with this?

tarheelhockey 05-16-2013 11:57 AM

Wait, have the Islanders actually agreed to this?

That seems like a somewhat significant hurdle...

LadyStanley 05-16-2013 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarheelhockey (Post 66141855)
Wait, have the Islanders actually agreed to this?

That seems like a somewhat significant hurdle...

Nope. Putting the cart before the horse.

Brodie 05-16-2013 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyStanley (Post 66142183)
Nope. Putting the cart before the horse.

Wang has agreed.

cutchemist42 05-16-2013 12:13 PM

I really don't see how this involves the Rangers???

CREW99AW 05-16-2013 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheswick (Post 66141093)
I'm missing something. What do the Rangers have to do with this?

MSG(Rangers group) and Ratner's group, are 2 of 4 groups bidding to develop the land.

It sounds like the Rangers, want to move their AHL team into the Coliseum, while Ratner's group is saying they also have a minor league team to move in.

CREW99AW 05-16-2013 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyStanley (Post 66142183)
Nope. Putting the cart before the horse.

I think Wang probably has agreed to Ratner's plan.
Wang has turned the business side of running the isles, over to the Ratner group. Wang/Snow continue to run the team.




http://islanderspointblank.com/islan...ns/#more-40845
Earlier this month, the Barclays Center unveiled its bid for a revamped Nassau Coliseum, spearheaded by developer Bruce Ratner and CEO Brett Yormark. The plan includes six Islanders games in a new, scaled down 13,000 seat arena back in Nassau County — with owner Charles Wang’s blessing — with the hope that the team should stay connected with its Long Island fanbase.


Finally, Yormark told SBJ that the has an agreement in place with an AHL franchise to move into the Coliseum if his group wins the bid, but would not reveal which team he has partnered with.

The Korean* 05-16-2013 01:22 PM

I dont think NHL like this move.

madhi19 05-16-2013 02:39 PM

The Islanders got out of that dump it hard to believe they want to return any time soon.

Acesolid 05-16-2013 03:28 PM

Why in the world would they want to play there? That's so weird...

The money is in the modern (and smaller) Brooklyn arena where the prices will be higher and there'll be no empty seats!

CREW99AW 05-16-2013 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acesolid (Post 66152493)
Why in the world would they want to play there? That's so weird...

The money is in the modern (and smaller) Brooklyn arena where the prices will be higher and there'll be no empty seats!

I doubt the isles want to really play in a 13,000 seat arena. But, offering to have the Isles play 6 games and possibly the Nets play 1-2 games, is a key part of Ratner's bid.


It sure got my attention when I read, Wang had turned the running of the business side of the team, over to the Ratner group. Makes me wonder if they won't be the new owners.

CREW99AW 05-16-2013 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madhi19 (Post 66149233)
The Islanders got out of that dump it hard to believe they want to return any time soon.

It won't be a dump once it's renovated.



http://snyislanders.files.wordpress....pg?w=664&h=291

gordie 05-16-2013 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CREW99AW (Post 66156521)
It won't be a dump once it's renovated.



http://snyislanders.files.wordpress....pg?w=664&h=291

Looks like the Alien ship from Close Encounters.

HabsByTheBay 05-16-2013 05:31 PM

Why should the NHL care how big an arena is? If I think I can make the most money with a 9,000 seat arena then the NHL should go and pound sand.

It's not like 13,000 is some ridiculous number, it's only 1500 fewer people than the Frankenstein half-rink the Isles are actually going to be playing their other 35 home games at. The Isles on The Island makes a lot of marketing sense for them and if the Ratner people turn the Coliseum into a half decent arena then they could make just as much money from those games (since they'll be events they can charge premium prices for) as from their games in Brooklyn.

The Korean* 05-17-2013 01:25 AM

Actually Barclays will be able to hold 15000 allegedly. A bit more according to Ratner actually.

tony d 05-17-2013 09:49 AM

I think it's a decent idea. Let the fans on Long Island who have supported the Islanders in the past be able to see a few live games a year at their old arena.

rkhum 05-17-2013 03:09 PM

I don't understand, if they are going to renovate the arena, then why couldn't the Islanders just stay?
Why renovate after the main tenant leaves?

CREW99AW 05-18-2013 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doakes (Post 66212619)
I don't understand, if they are going to renovate the arena, then why couldn't the Islanders just stay?
Why renovate after the main tenant leaves?

Wang's 1st attempt was the $3 billion Lighthouse project. It was going to be a huge privately funded project. Partisan pols and the nimby crowd blocked this project.

Wang's 2nd attempt was the 2011 bond vote, that would have the public pay $400m for a NYI arena and I think a minor league baseball stadium. Voters rejected this plan. Some voters and pols, seemed to think Wang should pay for an arena he wouldn't own, on land he was leasing.

With about 2 1/2 yrs left on the Coliseum lease, Wang gave up and signed the Brooklyn lease. This finally got County pols off their ***** and now they look ready to get the land developed. A day late and a dollar short.

nyrmetros 05-21-2013 07:34 PM

Incredible. A renovation AFTER the team is leaving......

danishh 05-22-2013 12:12 AM

the PA will raise a stink unless ratner guarantees the same revenue as an average barclays game.

Hugh Mann* 05-22-2013 12:48 AM

The Sabres have played regular-season games in the 11,200 seat Rochester arena, including one where only 8,552 were in attendance. Given that, I don't see why the still-reduced capacity of a renovated Nassau Coliseum over the Islanders new arena would be an issue.

Killion 05-22-2013 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Mann (Post 66416065)
Given that, I don't see why the still-reduced capacity of a renovated Nassau Coliseum over the Islanders new arena would be an issue.

Shhhhh. Mr.Wang doesnt need to be told the truth. Despite the rich local broadcast contract, give it a few years, he loses his shirt.


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