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Chacal667 05-16-2013 08:21 PM

Stastny to the habs
 
I already made 2 thread about it because I thought that he could have a good chemistry with Galchenyuk, the majority of the users on this board told me that it was a ridiculous idea.

Now that they play together for team USA, I want to know if some of you guys changed your mind about it. ( they play very well together )

And what it would take to land him with the habs considering that he is UFA after the next season ?

triggrman 05-16-2013 08:25 PM

He needs to go to Nashville to play with Smith.

hundreddollarbill 05-16-2013 08:37 PM

Avs need d? or wingers? obviously center is a position of strength with O'Reilly Duchene, wingers are Parenteau/landeskog.mcginn, so I'm guessing wingers. Their d with Jones and Johnson, along with Barrie elliott coming up isnt looking too bad

We probably don't make good trade partners

Hans Landaskog 05-16-2013 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triggrman (Post 66174189)
He needs to go to Nashville to play with Smith.

Smith needs to come to Colorado to play with Stastny. :sarcasm:

Rhaego 05-16-2013 08:41 PM

Need a top line winger or a top pairing defensemen.

Nothing else makes sense to move Stastny for.

Pierce Hawthorne 05-16-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hans Landaskog (Post 66175509)
Smith needs to come to Colorado to play with Stastny. :sarcasm:

This.

I would be very intrigued from an Avs POV for Smith.

Would love to have him and Stas playing together for the Avs.

Frozenice 05-16-2013 09:00 PM

I'd offer Gorges, Kristo and Nashville 2nd 2013.

Kristo has 1st line upside but who knows with him, besides I think he's more suited to life in Colorado, things are probably a tad too serious for his liking in Montreal.

Stastny would have to agree to an extension first.

Habsawce 05-16-2013 10:05 PM

MTL needs a #2 defenseman, not another centreman when they need to get rid of one in the first place.

EagleBelfour 05-16-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsawce (Post 66183751)
MTL needs a #2 defenseman, not another centreman when they need to get rid of one in the first place.

Bingo. Even if you switch Desharnais on the wing next year, which I hope the Habs does, we still have Plekanec, Eller, Galchenyuk, Prust, White etc ... Stastny would be nice, obviously, but he's not a priority and I wouldn't want to pay the asking price for a luxury, when we have more important matter to attend, as the previous poster say, a solid defenceman.

Drydenwasthebest 05-16-2013 10:22 PM

"No" to Stastny. We do not need another center. Especially at the cost of Gorges, Kristo and such a high 2nd in a deep draft!! Where do some Habs' fans come up with this crap? NEEDS are more important than NHL 13 for ***** sake. We do NOT need Stastny and should not give up the necessary assets it would take to get him.

Did anyone even look at his cap hit? $6.6 million for a guy to score less points than the two guys we currently have playing the top 6 center positions? With that hit, and his decreasing offensive production I wouldn't take him for DD straight up! DD scored more and hit more than Stastny did over the last 2 seasons! For a heck of a lot less money, too!

Wow. Just...wow. What are people thinking???

Frozenice 05-16-2013 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Drydenwasthebest (Post 66185197)
"No" to Stastny. We do not need another center. Especially at the cost of Gorges, Kristo and such a high 2nd in a deep draft!! Where do some Habs' fans come up with this crap? NEEDS are more important than NHL 13 for ***** sake. We do NOT need Stastny and should not give up the necessary assets it would take to get him.

Did anyone even look at his cap hit? $6.6 million for a guy to score less points than the two guys we currently have playing the top 6 center positions? With that hit, and his decreasing offensive production I wouldn't take him for DD straight up! DD scored more and hit more than Stastny did over the last 2 seasons! For a heck of a lot less money, too!

Wow. Just...wow. What are people thinking???

We should either get "real" wingers for Pleks or we should trade him which means we should trade him. Players like Bourque and Gionta don't cut it and sooner or later things will come to a head and we'll get a lot less for Pleks in a trade then he's worth. That is how things roll in the real world.

Pleks said what he said last wek for a reason, he wants more skilled players to play with and the best for way for that to happen is to trade him.

IceDaddy 05-17-2013 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chacal667 (Post 66173943)
I already made 2 thread about it because I thought that he could have a good chemistry with Galchenyuk, the majority of the users on this board told me that it was a ridiculous idea.

Now that they play together for team USA, I want to know if some of you guys changed your mind about it. ( they play very well together )

And what it would take to land him with the habs considering that he is UFA after the next season ?


so you were already told twice that it was a bad idea and yet you made another thread about it??

The habs dont need anyone to play with Chuckie. They need to add size on D and more botton 6 grit. That shoul dbe their main focus for the summer...

Chacal667 05-17-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by IceDaddy (Post 66200297)
so you were already told twice that it was a bad idea and yet you made another thread about it??

The habs dont need anyone to play with Chuckie. They need to add size on D and more botton 6 grit. That shoul dbe their main focus for the summer...

I made another thread because we now have the proof via the world champ that they have a good chemistry together.

And yes maybe the habs need a big D, but a guy like Stastny could add some size AND skills to our top6 something that they need for sure.

We dont need size at our bottom 6, we need size at our TOP 6.

S E P H 05-17-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Frozenice (Post 66177069)
I'd offer Gorges, Kristo and Nashville 2nd 2013.

Eller
Gorges

for

Stastny
McLeod/Bordeleau

No interest in Kristo at all and I agree this would only work if Stastny signed a contract extension. The only thing that makes no sense is we want to move him for a premium and Habs really do not need to pay for another centre at premium cost to be honest.

Frozenice 05-17-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by S E P H (Post 66207855)
Eller
Gorges

for

Stastny
McLeod/Bordeleau

No interest in Kristo at all and I agree this would only work if Stastny signed a contract extension. The only thing that makes no sense is we want to move him for a premium and Habs really do not need to pay for another centre at premium cost to be honest.

I'd be willing to switch out Kristo and replace him with Leblanc - 1st round pick (18th or so), has played 40 games in the NHL. He had a high ankle sprain last season and wasn't able to play as well as he is capable of. Spent a year at Harvard and he's a quality person. Not sure he is in the Hab's future plans.

TwoPadStack 05-17-2013 12:20 PM

If something could be done around Eller + Gorges with the Avs adding a bit, I'd be all for it. Habs would need Stastny signed long-term but I could see him and Patches being a lethal duo for several years.

Prairie Habs 05-17-2013 12:34 PM

We don't need another center. We also don't need to spend premium assets to bring in a center to play with Galchenyuk because soon Chucky will be playing center himself so it will make the whole thing pointless.

If we are moving the assets necessary to bring in Stastny I would prefer they be spent on a first/second line powerforward or a top 4 physical RD. You know, they areas we need to improve on...

Prairie Habs 05-17-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoPadStack (Post 66208631)
If something could be done around Eller + Gorges with the Avs adding a bit, I'd be all for it. Habs would need Stastny signed long-term but I could see him and Patches being a lethal duo for several years.

Wouldn't make sense at all for Montreal IMO.

Eller: 24 years old, 6'2, signed one more year at 1.3M then RFA, 30 points in 46 games last year

Stastny: 27 years old, 6'0, signed one more year at 6.6M then UFA, 24 points in 40 games last year

I don't really see incentive for Montreal to move Eller much less add another valuable piece in Gorges (though some idiots on the Habs forum will tell you Gorges needs to go).

Lonewolfe2015 05-17-2013 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Prairie Habs (Post 66209433)
Wouldn't make sense at all for Montreal IMO.

Eller: 24 years old, 6'2, signed one more year at 1.3M then RFA, 30 points in 46 games last year

Stastny: 27 years old, 6'0, signed one more year at 6.6M then UFA, 24 points in 40 games last year

I don't really see incentive for Montreal to move Eller much less add another valuable piece in Gorges (though some idiots on the Habs forum will tell you Gorges needs to go).

Because Stastny is better than Eller and Pleks would be a great 2-C behind him.

To the OP, Staz and Galchenyuk aren't on the same line...

Staz and Pacioretty showed good chemistry last WC though.

No interest in a trade here, Gorges didn't have the kind of season I'd expect from him to justify getting #2 minutes in Colorado at the expense of Staz, long term I don't see him filling a need here once our guys develop.

Prairie Habs 05-17-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lonewolfe2015 (Post 66209795)
Because Stastny is better than Eller and Pleks would be a great 2-C behind him.

To the OP, Staz and Galchenyuk aren't on the same line...

Staz and Pacioretty showed good chemistry last WC though.

No interest in a trade here, Gorges didn't have the kind of season I'd expect from him to justify getting #2 minutes in Colorado at the expense of Staz, long term I don't see him filling a need here once our guys develop.

Stastny might be better than Eller but we are already paying Plekanec 5M, DD 3.5M, and have Gachenyuk to be our future 1C. It would be irresponsible from a cap management point of view to bring on a player 5M more expensive (not to mention we lose his rights much sooner) for a minimal gain at best. It would be irresponsible from a player management point of view to bring in a player to play as our 1C when we already have a player who we think we become an excellent 1C in the near future (Chucky) and we currently have a player who plays it well enough that we don't need to waste assets trying to bring someone in (Plekanec).

I like how you use this season to point out how you aren't interested in Gorges but completely ignore that Eller had a better season than Stastny this year.

Lonewolfe2015 05-17-2013 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prairie Habs (Post 66209997)
I like how you use this season to point out how you aren't interested in Gorges but completely ignore that Eller had a better season than Stastny this year.

Yep, points determine whether or not a player had a better season. And because you have a promising prospect you shouldn't add someone into the position they might fill.

If Staz was another average center I'd understand, but he's not.

Habsawce 05-17-2013 01:33 PM

The organization has put a lot of time and effort into grooming Eller and they're finally starting to reap the rewards, why in blue hell would they trade him for a player that cost 3x as much with aroudn the same ceiling and they have no idea if he woudl be able to adapt to the meat grinder that is Montreal.

This is going from dumb to just straight stupid.

Prairie Habs 05-17-2013 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolfe2015 (Post 66210339)
Yep, points determine whether or not a player had a better season. And because you have a promising prospect you shouldn't add someone into the position they might fill.

If Staz was another average center I'd understand, but he's not.

Um... yeah... they kind of make up a big part of it.

But I guess that just because Eller is younger, bigger, put up more points in less ice time, is cheaper, we own his rights longer, has 4 times more hits, plays comparable defense, and we already know he fits well within our club and the city, it doesn't mean we can't trade him + for a player we don't need.

If Staz wasn't another average center I'd understand.

Habsawce 05-17-2013 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prairie Habs (Post 66212131)
Um... yeah... they kind of make up a big part of it.

But I guess that just because Eller is younger, bigger, put up more points in less ice time, is cheaper, we own his rights longer, has 4 times more hits, plays comparable defense, and we already know he fits well within our club and the city, it doesn't mean we can't trade him + for a player we don't need.

If Staz wasn't another average center I'd understand.

Statsny is a good player who had an average year. He has all the tools to be a top end 2C on any team in the league.

However, the Avs are not dealing from a situation of strength. Everyone knows they have 2 centres who they believe are the future over Statsny and Paul is on a hefty cap hit. While I believe if he was made available they would get a fair value for him, fans should not expect a kings ransom for him either.

IglooBoy 05-17-2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habsawce (Post 66211305)
The organization has put a lot of time and effort into grooming Eller and they're finally starting to reap the rewards, why in blue hell would they trade him ......

My thoughts every time Eller's name is brought up or drafted prospects that are showing signs of promise.

Hey he's good! Trade him! Trade him now! (Player succeeds after being traded away) Why did we trade him! Look how good he is! Management screwed up!


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