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Ola 05-16-2005 04:39 PM

Rumor: Mikael Samuelsson to sign with Toronto once...
 
...the CBA is in place. According to reports the Leafs had talks with Mikael last summer. Then talked with him again during the WC to say that they are still interested. The report in a Swedish paper also said that Toronto planned to play him with Sundin.

Dark Knight 05-16-2005 04:40 PM

who is he ? :dunno:

Leaf Army 05-16-2005 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDdY
who is he ? :dunno:

The exact type of player we don't need.

He's never put up big numbers so I don't know why he'd be a good candidate to play with Sundin.

The only distinction he has is that he's been involved in a couple pretty big trades. He was traded for Adam Graves, and he was one of the players that the Rangers sent to Pittsburgh for Kovalev.

ULF_55 05-16-2005 04:50 PM

Mikael Samuelsson Right Wing
Born Dec 23 1976 -- Mariefred, Sweden
Height 6.01 -- Weight 205 -- Shoots L
Selected by San Jose Sharks round 5 #145 overall 1998 NHL Entry Draft


I suppose with Roberts, Niewy, Nolan, Mogilny, Reichel, Renberg, Domi, ..., gone they want to add a 29 year old for depth.

Mess 05-16-2005 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULF_55
Mikael Samuelsson Right Wing
Born Dec 23 1976 -- Mariefred, Sweden
Height 6.01 -- Weight 205 -- Shoots L
Selected by San Jose Sharks round 5 #145 overall 1998 NHL Entry Draft


I suppose with Roberts, Niewy, Nolan, Mogilny, Reichel, Renberg, Domi, ..., gone they want to add a 29 year old for depth.

Toronto never really replaced Hoglund and his production fully on the 1st line, so they are going back to the Swedish well again now the only way they now how in a Bettman New CBA world and find some $350 - 500 K players to fill out the Stanley Cup roster. :D

Frankie 05-16-2005 05:07 PM

ling's replacement on the farm.

Twist and Shout 05-16-2005 05:10 PM

If it is true, finally something worth it.

He is a solid, solid player to have on a 3rd line. I think he would even look good with Sundin. He had a good World Championships with Sweden.

Again, I hope this rumour is true.

Pulfy14 05-16-2005 05:11 PM

I dont see the point of this guy inless they were going to be putting him on 3/4 line.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/player_b...=1698&hubName=

Leaf Army 05-16-2005 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sevenSteen
He is a solid, solid player to have on a 3rd line.

Maybe on a bad team.

McFly 05-16-2005 06:18 PM

How is some nobody player, who hasn't done anything in 5 seasons magically going to step in and play with Sundin, AND produce? Won't happen. Like someone else said, a good replacement for Ling on the farm.

MaV 05-16-2005 06:35 PM

Most likely a Swedish player like Samuelsson isn't going to sign to play in AHL at this point of his career (unless he need to be in NA for some reason). So Leafs sign him it's reasonable to expect that they see him as possible NHL player in their team.

Patty Lee 05-16-2005 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ola
...the CBA is in place. According to reports the Leafs had talks with Mikael last summer. Then talked with him again during the WC to say that they are still interested. The report in a Swedish paper also said that Toronto planned to play him with Sundin.

finally, the pieces are falling into place....

Leaf Army 05-16-2005 07:26 PM

Another big drawback about Samuelsson is that he takes a ridiculous amount of penalties. Especially for a guy that's not very physical.

That's really the last thing we need on this team.

burgess1978 05-16-2005 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leaf Army
The only distinction he has is that he's been involved in a couple pretty big trades. He was traded for Adam Graves, and he was one of the players that the Rangers sent to Pittsburgh for Kovalev.

... and from Pittsburgh to Florida for the #1 pick (Fleury).

Mat 05-16-2005 08:44 PM

why would we want a player who's career year was scoring 10 goals to be sundins winger? WOW HES SWEDISH TOO, THAT MUST EQUAL CHEMISTRY!

Stephen 05-16-2005 10:42 PM

A Mikael Samuelsson calibre player is definitely something we don't need. He's definitely a Mike Murphy era calibre player.

FLYLine24 05-17-2005 12:01 AM

Ive watched Samuelsson on the Rangers and I watched him at the WC...he has IMPROVED GREATLY, he is a type of player that ALWAYS gives 110%, if he gets pissed off WATCH OUT...no he wont take a dumb penalty but he will go mad on the ice hitting everything in site...(he even injured big goon ERIC CARINS with a huge legal check along the boards as a Ranger) His stats and is TSN report i would not go by, he is definitely a 3rd line player that can EASILY make the 2nd line after what i've seen of him in the WC. People are really under-rating him here..but trust me he would be a GREAT signing for the leafs.

FLYLine24 05-17-2005 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leaf Army
Another big drawback about Samuelsson is that he takes a ridiculous amount of penalties. Especially for a guy that's not very physical.

That's really the last thing we need on this team.

Incorrect, he played physical in every big game he played with the Rangers (Philly, Isles) and he would always throw a few hits a game....hes not extremely physical but he is more physical then most players.

Leaf Army 05-17-2005 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYLine4LIFE
Incorrect, he played physical in every big game he played with the Rangers (Philly, Isles) and he would always throw a few hits a game....hes not extremely physical but he is more physical then most players.

Samuelsson took 3.92 minor penalties for every 100 even strength minutes played last year.

Compare that to guys like;

McCabe- 3.17
Marchment- 2.68
Roberts- 3.26
Domi- 3.43
Tucker- 2.98
Perrott- 2.65

So yes, when a guy like Samuelsson takes that many more penalties than those guys, that's way too much for a player of his calibre.

Not the least bit interested in the guy. We had Tucker and Nolan on our third line last year. Samuelsson would be a big step back. If you really think he has that kind of potential, let a bottom feeder take a chance on him. We don't need him.

ULF_55 05-17-2005 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leaf Army
Samuelsson took 3.92 minor penalties for every 100 even strength minutes played last year.

Compare that to guys like;

McCabe- 3.17
Marchment- 2.68
Roberts- 3.26
Domi- 3.43
Tucker- 2.98
Perrott- 2.65

So yes, when a guy like Samuelsson takes that many more penalties than those guys, that's way too much for a player of his calibre.

Not the least bit interested in the guy. We had Tucker and Nolan on our third line last year. Samuelsson would be a big step back. If you really think he has that kind of potential, let a bottom feeder take a chance on him. We don't need him.

He played 37 games for the Panthers and had a +/- of 0, which was very good on that club. Trnka was their top +/- at +2.

He didn't play any other games, so he must have suffered a season ending injury.

His playing time would put him about a 4th. liner though, so you have to ask whether he'd be a better player than Belak, Perrott, Wilm, ...

He'll be 29 in December, and does have acceptable size.

So are there any kids ready to play at the NHL level (Mitchell/Sagat/Shinkar/...) that would be suitable for a 4th. liner spot?

Leaf Army 05-17-2005 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULF_55
He played 37 games for the Panthers and had a +/- of 0, which was very good on that club. Trnka was their top +/- at +2.

He didn't play any other games, so he must have suffered a season ending injury.

He had two major injuries last year- a broken jaw and broken hand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULF_55
His playing time would put him about a 4th. liner though

This I agree with. I think that notion of him playing with Sundin is pure speculation on the part of the Swedish newspaper simply because they're both Swedish.

If the Leafs were to sign him, he'd be more of a replacment for Fitzgerald. He'd get some PK time, but I highly doubt he'd play any higher than the 4th line unless we ran into injuries.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULF_55
He'll be 29 in December, and does have acceptable size.

So are there any kids ready to play at the NHL level (Mitchell/Sagat/Shinkar/...) that would be suitable for a 4th. liner spot?

This impossible to say because we don't really know what the team will look like. What about a guy like Colin Murphy?

I'm just tired of the Leafs filling roster spots with marginal players with little to no upside. And if they sign this guy, that's exactly what they'll be doing.

We bring in Khristich and send Sullivan packing. Modin is traded and replaced with Hoglund. Lumme plays top four minutes while Dempsey waits for his chance with another organization. We trade for Reichel and relegate McCauley to a fourth line role. Renberg gets top minutes these past three years and has one playoff goal to show for it.

Signing Samuelsson would just be another one to add to this line. He's a half decent player. But on a good team like the Leafs, all he'd be is another player with no upside taking up a roster spot. We don't need him.

And he does take way too many penalties.

Crossbar 05-17-2005 10:03 AM

From what I can remember of Mikael during his time with the Panthers, he started the season off very slowly, got injured twice and then finished the season pretty strong (tho by that time the Panthers were already eliminated from playoff contention). He was a pretty decent defensive player (he contributed to the Panthers having the 2nd best PK in the NHL), tho I have to agree with the poster that said he probably wouldn't be an upgrade to what the Leafs already had last season unless it is to replace an aging player....but who knows maybe he has improved his offensive game during his time over in Europe this season.

Mess 05-17-2005 01:12 PM

Well its made its way to the Toronto papers now !!!!

Quote:


Leafs looking at Swedish forward
Toronto interested in Samuelsson: Report

The Maple Leafs saw a lot of Mikael Samuelsson during the world championship and apparently, they liked what they saw.


There were reports in a Swedish newspaper yesterday that after the lockout the Leafs will sign Samuelsson, a 29-year-old journeyman defensive specialist who played with the Florida Panthers in 2003-04. Samuelsson played for Sweden which finished fourth in the tournament.


Teams are not allowed to negotiate with or sign players during the lockout, but the Leafs reportedly spoke with Samuelsson's agent, Peter Wallin.


"They told us they liked what they saw from Mikael and it was really nice that they showed interest," Wallin said. "But from that point to a contract, we'd have a long way to go. We'll see how it turns out."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...acodalogin=yes



salzy 05-17-2005 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen
A Mikael Samuelsson calibre player is definitely something we don't need. He's definitely a Mike Murphy era calibre player.

Looks like those glory days are returning.

ULF_55 05-17-2005 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salzy
Looks like those glory days are returning.

I hope it is worse.

Looking for some lottery picks.


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