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weber32* 05-21-2013 05:24 AM

Draft big players : Nhl realty now
 
THE NHL REALITY NOW : DRAFT BIG FAST GOOD SKATER PLAYERS

HAWKS SCOUTS: WORk TO GET THESES PLAYERS RIGHT NOW.

Bubba88 05-21-2013 05:32 AM

It worked fine with Olsen and Beach, didn't it? Jury still out on McNeill but I would think he fits those 2 more than not.

weber32* 05-21-2013 05:33 AM

KANE , KRUGER , KEITH , ODUYA , are good BUT TOO SMALL PLAYERS , SORRY .:shakehead

Sir Psycho T 05-21-2013 05:53 AM

If you could find 2 players with the exact same skill set you would obviously take the bigger player but that's usually isn't the case.

Marotte Marauder 05-21-2013 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubba88 (Post 66368633)
It worked fine with Olsen and Beach, didn't it? Jury still out on McNeill but I would think he fits those 2 more than not.

Fast, good skater? When was that ever the scouting report on Kyle Beach? :laugh:

HockeySensible 05-21-2013 12:00 PM

Size for the sake of drafting size is beyond stupid. If you can draft a guy that's 6'4" because he's the BPA, then go for it. Otherwise, skill > size.

Chicago doesn't lack size in their system anyways:

Brandon Saad - 6'2", 205lbs
Mark McNeill - 6'2", 210lbs
Kevin Hayes - 6'3", 205lbs
Jimmy Hayes - 6'5", 215lbs
Chris Calnan - 6'2, 190lbs

What was this thread born out of? Chicago being down 2-1 against Detroit? Because if there's one team that emphasises size and grit, it's Detroit.

BobbyJet 05-21-2013 12:34 PM

Although I agree with the premise, not all small players play like they are. They are the players you want, if they're undersized. Z and D are perfect examples, so is Martin St Louis. On Hawks, if Saad ever figures out how good he can be, we have an elite power forward in the making.

hawksfan50 05-21-2013 01:27 PM

This theory explains why Getzlaf Perry and Ryan are out...why Bigger Toews has Zero goals but little Pageau in Ottawa and little Krug in Boston have provided scoring impact for their yeams...it explains why Big Seabrook is worth $5 million plus despite impersonating a pylonin the playoffs. ..Could tje Jawks use. a Lucic or a Byfiglien...sure. ..what team wouldn't want such difference-maksr Big giys. .but they are mot that numerous..Big can skate and hit and score. But as seen with ANH it still can fail...look we do not want to be MTL tony...but you do not need 4 lines of big like L.A....anf you still need hreat not just good enpugj gpaltending...and you still mrrd competence from your big guys...not pylon play like we have gotten from Seabrook these playoffs. As for Kane beong too small...is his one and out minimal impact due to his size or to his loss of intetest...no longer on a mission to prove he is the dofference-maker, is thos due to size or just a lack of will? I think the latter.

Marotte Marauder 05-21-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hawksfan50 (Post 66380885)
This theory explains why Getzlaf Perry and Ryan are out...why Bigger Toews has Zero goals but little Pageau in Ottawa and little Krug in Boston have provided scoring impact for their yeams...it explains why Big Seabrook is worth $5 million plus despite impersonating a pylonin the playoffs. ..Could tje Jawks use. a Lucic or a Byfiglien...sure. ..what team wouldn't want such difference-maksr Big giys. .but they are mot that numerous..Big can skate and hit and score. But as seen with ANH it still can fail...look we do not want to be MTL tony...but you do not need 4 lines of big like L.A....anf you still need hreat not just good enpugj gpaltending...and you still mrrd competence from your big guys...not pylon play like we have gotten from Seabrook these playoffs. As for Kane beong too small...is his one and out minimal impact due to his size or to his loss of intetest...no longer on a mission to prove he is the dofference-maker, is thos due to size or just a lack of will? I think the latter.

I don't think it's really a size issue as much as a personality issue. Some guys don't like the physical contact, we have an overabundance of guys like that and it makes for tough going when the going gets tough.

We don't have Dmen who like to bomb from the point, makes PP difficult especially if nobody goes to the front.

It is a lot of talented players but not the right blend of skills, IMO.

SLarmer28* 05-21-2013 06:02 PM

How about drafting tough hockey players?

For example, 2006 NHL Draft Second Round - 61st overall:

Defenseman Simon Danis-Suckage (the human toothpick) instead of defenseman Eric Gryba

SLarmer28* 05-21-2013 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Marotte Marauder (Post 66369069)
Fast, good skater? When was that ever the scouting report on Kyle Beach? :laugh:

The same could be said for Dylan Olsen.

Esse 05-21-2013 06:07 PM

This is such a weird thread.

Hawks82 05-21-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hawksfan50 (Post 66380885)
As for Kane beong too small...is his one and out minimal impact due to his size or to his loss of intetest...no longer on a mission to prove he is the dofference-maker, is thos due to size or just a lack of will? I think the latter.

What the **** are you talking about? Must be a rather thin line between insight and insanity.

SLarmer28* 05-21-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hawksfan50 (Post 66380885)
As for Kane beong too small...is his one and out minimal impact due to his size or to his loss of intetest...no longer on a mission to prove he is the dofference-maker, is thos due to size or just a lack of will? I think the latter.

Just quit posting on this message board.

HockeySensible 05-21-2013 10:22 PM

Kane has 2 goals in this series, and 8 points in 8 playoff games. Clearly, he's lost all interest. He's more of a regular season guy anyways. Once he wasn't nominated for the Hart, he mailed it in.

BobbyJet 05-22-2013 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Marotte Marauder (Post 66381267)
I don't think it's really a size issue as much as a personality issue. Some guys don't like the physical contact, we have an overabundance of guys like that and it makes for tough going when the going gets tough.

We don't have Dmen who like to bomb from the point, makes PP difficult especially if nobody goes to the front.

It is a lot of talented players but not the right blend of skills, IMO.

And you'd be right.

madgoat33 05-22-2013 06:03 PM

i think the coaching philosophy has alot to do with it. doesn't seem like physicality is emphasized at all

BobbyJet 05-22-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by madgoat33 (Post 66447625)
i think the coaching philosophy has alot to do with it. doesn't seem like physicality is emphasized at all

Scouts will always be looking for size, but the real secret is to find the combination of character first, with size and of course skill. Mark Messier is first to come to mind, and in today's NHL, Lucic is a fine example. People laugh, but I have always considered Messier as a better player than Gretzky, even when both were in their prime and Gretzky was racking up something like 200 pts in a season.

brtriad 05-22-2013 06:49 PM

Carter HUTTON???

DisgruntledHawkFan 05-22-2013 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyJet (Post 66447977)
Scouts will always be looking for size, but the real secret is to find the combination of character first, with size and of course skill. Mark Messier is first to come to mind, and in today's NHL, Lucic is a fine example. People laugh, but I have always considered Messier as a better player than Gretzky, even when both were in their prime and Gretzky was racking up something like 200 pts in a season.

Gretzky was better than Measure.

madgoat33 05-22-2013 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyJet (Post 66447977)
Scouts will always be looking for size, but the real secret is to find the combination of character first, with size and of course skill. Mark Messier is first to come to mind, and in today's NHL, Lucic is a fine example. People laugh, but I have always considered Messier as a better player than Gretzky, even when both were in their prime and Gretzky was racking up something like 200 pts in a season.

lucic? hes a monster. I'd say marchand is abetter example. same with philly carcillo. the hawks coaches seem to have aknack for turning previously physical and/or big guys into relatively docile creampuffs

Elverpond 05-22-2013 08:58 PM

this thread is so stupid, the last thing i want to see is people believing in one philosophy. I miss the old nhl when everyone had their own ideas of how to build a team and if you really put some thought and work into it. This is chess. There are many ways to win this game. Somewhere along the line after the lockout everybody decided to dump n hump(chase) or playing long passes from the d-men to the wingers on the blue line which is essentially just dumping it in when you're being lazy. for christ sakes do we have to take everything creative out of this game? **** "big" players.

Bubba88 05-23-2013 12:25 AM

Messier better than Gretzky?

that day will be great, good laugh to start my day.

Sir Psycho T 05-23-2013 03:00 AM

There is a much better argument to be made for Lemieux then Messier.

UsernameWasTaken 05-23-2013 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyJet (Post 66447977)
Scouts will always be looking for size, but the real secret is to find the combination of character first, with size and of course skill. Mark Messier is first to come to mind, and in today's NHL, Lucic is a fine example. People laugh, but I have always considered Messier as a better player than Gretzky, even when both were in their prime and Gretzky was racking up something like 200 pts in a season.

http://generatormeme.com/media/created/g9pepl.jpg

I would put Gretzky as "greatest player of all time" and Messier as "10-15"...and honestly, at various points in his career, i would have taken Yzerman over Messier for heaven's sake.


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