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Amazing Kreiderman 05-23-2013 11:34 AM

Brad Richards Part III: The Buy-Out!
 
After part II reached the limit, this is part III

Kel Varnsen 05-23-2013 11:34 AM

Brad Scratchards

Bob Yakupov 05-23-2013 11:35 AM

This one is for you, Brad.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/262...-one-out-o.gif

Florida Ranger 05-23-2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inferno (Post 66480953)
i still wouldn't buy him out. give him another year...theres almost NOTHING worth spending money on this offseason, might as well hope that a former 90 pt/year player regains his form than to just piss him away for nothing with no real options elsewhere.

I agree with this. I'm for buying him out. Just not now. Wait a year. I say buy him out in 2014. He can make an impact again like he did last year for us. Who knows. But he can also blow again. I understand that.

I love having depth at center. It just makes a team better... Of course if they play well. Hopefully Richards will learn from sitting around in this past offseason and come out with a chip on his shoulder. I believe this is just a terrible year for him. Played like crap most of the year and he still had a pace of 60 points in a full season.
Wait and see one more year. Just my opinion.

Amazing Kreiderman 05-23-2013 11:36 AM

Buying out Richards has no real downside.

- Leadership? He hasn't shown any.
- Too much pressure on Stepan? What about this whole season?


We free 7 million in cap space, remove a player who has no positive influence on the group whatsoever and we can give the youngsters a chance.

Who will get the A? Girardi?

Florida Ranger 05-23-2013 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pass art by Brassard (Post 66481771)
Buying out Richards has no real downside.

- Leadership? He hasn't shown any.
- Too much pressure on Stepan? What about this whole season?


We free 7 million in cap space, remove a player who has no positive influence on the group whatsoever and we can give the youngsters a chance.

Who will get the A? Girardi?

Are you in the lockeroom?

Amazing Kreiderman 05-23-2013 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Florida Ranger (Post 66481847)
Are you in the lockeroom?

I am not saying he has a negative influence, but he hasn't brought anything when he signed his fat contract. Nothing to lose here.

SA16 05-23-2013 11:41 AM

fine i'm gonna say it. i don't like the decision to scratch him. he hasn't been good at all and has made plenty of bad plays but newbury is completely uselesss and even bad brad is >>>>>>> newbury (and yes that includes him with his mistakes)

Bluenote13 05-23-2013 11:42 AM

I totally understand this part of the game, getting old and watching rather than leading is tough for some, they fight it when they should adapt. I love Messier but he was the same, didn't want to let go, eventually he took a backseat and looked better with less minutes. And at least he was still ok on the power play.

Brad is lucky, some of us never got to that level or stage that he's seen, and he earned it.

Maybe the return to a normal NHL offseason helps somehow, doesn't look like that's the problem though. We've seen this downward progression more than I care to think about.

nyrpassion 05-23-2013 11:43 AM

Personally, I don't want to see him being bought out this off season. I feel he can bounce back; a player like him can go from a #1C to sucking **** the next season. Give him next season, then buy him out.

DelZottoHitTheNetJK 05-23-2013 11:43 AM

So for some reason when I went to look at Brad's playoff stats on NHL.com they changed his picture to this:

http://i40.tinypic.com/fvz3gg.jpg

:sarcasm:

Kel Varnsen 05-23-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SA16 (Post 66482003)
fine i'm gonna say it. i don't like the decision to scratch him. he hasn't been good at all and has made plenty of bad plays but newbury is completely uselesss and even bad brad is >>>>>>> newbury (and yes that includes him with his mistakes)

It could provide a jolt to the rest of the team who have looked like crap. We need something major to change, we can't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result, it's a 3-0 series right now.

Vitto79 05-23-2013 11:44 AM

I can see why people say wait for next yr but with the cap the way it is getting rid of 7 million, signing the RFA's gives enough to get Clowe back and sign a guy like Weiss for 3-4 million.

I am pretty shocked he's sitting out game 4 but I guess its a message , he's a goner

SA16 05-23-2013 11:46 AM

i'm def all for buying him out this offseason though. he's likely a better option than any of the FA this year but it is much too risky keeping him on and taking the chance he gets injured

nyrpassion 05-23-2013 11:48 AM

And for the record, I ****ing hate the scratch today. If you're trying to send a message to your team don't scratch Richie in an elimination game, do it Game 3, NOT WHEN YOUR SEASON IS ON THE LINE.
Anyone really think Newbury/Haley in the lineup will fare better than Richards?
This is just Tort's unconventional way of trying to light a fire under the team's ass, but it is too little, too late, and too extreme.

rkhum 05-23-2013 11:50 AM

It's being discussed on NHL radio right now.
Boomer and his co host are arguing he should be given one more chance.
Think the Rangers would regret it if he goes elsewhere and rediscovers himself.

Richards may not be this bad, but are they crazy?
Richards is not the PPQB and number 1 center, he may not even be a top six, he is older, slower, and his confidence/skills are gone.

Do they not know at his age this is not a fluke?

HockeyBasedNYC 05-23-2013 11:52 AM

This series with Richards being a healthy scratch and Redden playing on the other side to remind us of his actual presence on this earth, has really brought everything back full circle, big picture for me.

Do what you need to do with Richards in the offseason.

But Slats needs to go. That's the real problem. Not Richards folks. When it comes to free agent signings he's probably got the worst track record of any long term GM in the history of the game of hockey. This team is always trying to piece together a roster with limited cap space, swapping out parts for parts, removing depth for scoring, stuck in a constant repetitive cycle.

You can't have a player you've put so much stock into be a healthy scratch in a playoff elimination game, i'm sorry, you just can't. Its embarrassing. I put full blame on Sather - given his laundry list of free agent failures.

It may sound like sour grapes or hindsight always being 20-20, but regardless of what the fans wanted - he and the Rangers made the decision to bring him in and they should be held responsible for this. Its not like he was 22 and coming off a career year.

CheeseTortorella 05-23-2013 11:54 AM

I am actually curious as to what will happen to Richards. I was surprised when we got rid of Gaborik towards the end of the season, I would have thought we would have waited till the end of the season to do something with him.

SA16 05-23-2013 11:58 AM

richards met with like 5-10 teams in toronto who all wanted to sign him to a similar type deal as we did..particularly the leafs..you make it sound like sather was the only one offering him a big contract which is entirely false. can't blame sather on that one

gmerger37 05-23-2013 11:58 AM

Here is a hypothetical for you guys. Let' say we don't buy out Richard$ this summer, instead we give him another shot at the 2013-2014 season, and he has a pretty solid-ish performance, let's say 25 ish goals and 30-40 ish assists and he is in the 60-70 point range. Say we make the playoffs, have a pretty decent run and brad contributes throughout. Do we still buy him out even though in theory he has returned to being a contributor or do we still buy him out in the summer of 2014 knowing that he is probably going to continue to decline?

Basically if we give him another shot and he has a bounce back season, would you guys still buy him out and be on the hook for the rest of the contract?

Crease 05-23-2013 11:59 AM

Boomer and Carton? Boomer is a passionate Rangers fan but not well versed on the ins and outs of the business side.

If they retain Richards next year, they will have approximately $13 Million to re-sign McDonagh, Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello, as well as sign/replace Clowe. They will also need an additional two defensemen for the AHL/depth.

Florida Ranger 05-23-2013 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pass art by Brassard (Post 66481903)
I am not saying he has a negative influence, but he hasn't brought anything when he signed his fat contract. Nothing to lose here.

I'm not the one to bring up the past, but Lundqvist and him brought us to the 2nd best record and the ECF last year. I'm not saying it's not possible he's finished and this is the player he is, but we saw what he can do with the team. One more year. Then buy him out whether he helps us or he flat out sucks.

nlking42 05-23-2013 12:02 PM

Have to buy out Richards
 
Rangers have huge cap problems and that's with buying out Richards. Go to cap geek.com for more details.

Crease 05-23-2013 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmerger37 (Post 66482711)
Here is a hypothetical for you guys. Let' say we don't buy out Richard$ this summer, instead we give him another shot at the 2013-2014 season, and he has a pretty solid-ish performance, let's say 25 ish goals and 30-40 ish assists and he is in the 60-70 point range. Say we make the playoffs, have a pretty decent run and brad contributes throughout. Do we still buy him out even though in theory he has returned to being a contributor or do we still buy him out in the summer of 2014 knowing that he is probably going to continue to decline?

Basically if we give him another shot and he has a bounce back season, would you guys still buy him out and be on the hook for the rest of the contract?

Short of winning the Hart and Conn Smythe next year, he's gone.

Bluenote13 05-23-2013 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyBasedNYC (Post 66482421)
This series with Richards being a healthy scratch and Redden playing on the other side to remind us of his actual presence on this earth, has really brought everything back full circle, big picture for me.

Do what you need to do with Richards in the offseason.

But Slats needs to go. That's the real problem. Not Richards folks. When it comes to free agent signings he's probably got the worst track record of any long term GM in the history of the game of hockey. This team is always trying to piece together a roster with limited cap space, swapping out parts for parts, removing depth for scoring, stuck in a constant repetitive cycle.

You can't have a player you've put so much stock into be a healthy scratch in a playoff elimination game, i'm sorry, you just can't. Its embarrassing. I put full blame on Sather - given his laundry list of free agent failures.

It may sound like sour grapes or hindsight always being 20-20, but regardless of what the fans wanted - he and the Rangers made the decision to bring him in and they should be held responsible for this. Its not like he was 22 and coming off a career year.


I feel your frustration and agree with the analysis. Sather needs to go, he won't though. And that means Richards will stay, the guys who brought him in here will make excuses for why he was so 'ineffective'.


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