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Stepanformayor* 05-27-2013 08:51 PM

Is Derek Stepan the number 1 priority this summer?
 
Now that the season is over, what kind of deal does he get and is he top priority this summer?

Machinehead 05-27-2013 08:52 PM

Ryan McDonagh is still more important imo. We really need both though, so it's arbitrary.

JohnC 05-27-2013 08:53 PM

He said he wants to stay here no? Should we be worried?

JayQueensNY88* 05-27-2013 09:01 PM

I'd give him 5-6 years at 4 mill per.

What Sather will do is give 2-3 years at 4.0-4.5

When he should be given 5-6 years at 4 per

ecemleafs 05-27-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JayQueensNY88 (Post 66674187)
I'd give him 5-6 years at 4 mill per.

What Sather will do is give 2-3 years at 4.0-4.5

When he should be given 5-6 years at 4 per

if sather is giving him 2-3 years at 4-4.5 then why is stepan accepting an additional 3 years with no bump in salary for UFA years???

JayQueensNY88* 05-27-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ecemleafs (Post 66674517)
if sather is giving him 2-3 years at 4-4.5 then why is stepan accepting an additional 3 years with no bump in salary for UFA years???

I see a deal similar to Dubinsky and man,I'm just giving an accurate idea,relax lol. I'm just figuritivly speaking,should be around that ball park. Better?:shakehead

3rd Guy High 05-27-2013 09:49 PM

He's coming of an ELC. If he's giving a 2-3 year deal it will be for MUCH less than 4mil. No arb rights. If he gets 4 mil it will be for a 5-6 year deal.

haohmaru 05-27-2013 09:53 PM

#1 priority this summer is buying out Brad Richards and that's from an organizational point of view and not a performance point of view. Since the old "cap-circumventing" contracts that preceded the new CBA aren't grandfathered, Brad's contract is a HUGE, HUGE risk in terms of injury and/or retirement that could hamper this entire organization for years. I'd love to see Brad rebound next year and have a great year, but the risks aren't worth it. The Players really blew it on this part of the CBA and guys like Richards, Kovalchuk, Hossa, etc... would all be prime candidates for clubs looking at the long term implications of not buying them out. Simply something the Rangers have to do, as ****** as it is.

broadwayblue 05-27-2013 09:54 PM

Yup. Richards buyout is #1 priority. #2 is McD and #3 is Stepan.

haohmaru 05-27-2013 09:58 PM

My #2, FWIW, would be getting Lundqvist back on board after buying out Richards.

broadwayblue 05-27-2013 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by haohmaru (Post 66678873)
My #2, FWIW, would be getting Lundqvist back on board after buying out Richards.

Hank is already signed for this season, so I'm not sure how he can be the #1 priority when we're already paying him for the next year. That said, if we can extend him now I'm all for it!

haohmaru 05-27-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by broadwayblue (Post 66678917)
Hank is already signed for this season, so I'm not sure how he can be the #1 priority when we're already paying him for the next year. That said, if we can extend him now I'm all for it!

If that doesn't get done this summer he goes to UFA. Furthermore, if he's not signed long term and the Rangers, let's say, are 10th in the conference at the trade deadline next year, then Sather & Co. have a huge decision to make: whether or not to trade him and they more than likely will rather than risking losing him for nothing. It needs to get done this summer. Period.

broadwayblue 05-27-2013 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by haohmaru (Post 66679153)
If that doesn't get done this summer he goes to UFA. Furthermore, if he's not signed long term and the Rangers, let's say, are 10th in the conference at the trade deadline next year, then Sather & Co. have a huge decision to make: whether or not to trade him and they more than likely will rather than risking losing him for nothing. It needs to get done this summer. Period.

You mean if it doesn't get done by NEXT July 1 he goes to UFA.

Bird Law 05-27-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JayQueensNY88 (Post 66676471)
I see a deal similar to Dubinsky and man,I'm just giving an accurate idea,relax lol. I'm just figuritivly speaking,should be around that ball park. Better?:shakehead

Yeah, but you're not being logical. If Stepan will take a 2 year deal at 4 or so, he's not going to take a 5-6 year deal at 4 or so.

haohmaru 05-27-2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by broadwayblue (Post 66679405)
You mean if it doesn't get done by NEXT July 1 he goes to UFA.

No, THIS summer. He is not going to negotiate during the season and, like I said, if the Rangers are in a precarious position during next year's trade deadline then Hank will be a serious commodity that they are going to have to look at dealing, and will, rather than losing him for nothing.

If he goes to UFA next summer, he won't be a Ranger.

darko 05-28-2013 12:58 AM

He'll get a 2 year deal. I see McD getting a longterm deal.

RangerFan10 05-28-2013 01:33 AM

Even if the Rangers are awful, do you really think Hank will want to leave? He LOVES the city. If he really becomes disgruntled he's the type of player the Rangers will bend over backwards for. Whether that means a new coach, money or what have you.

Even if he wanted out, I think his lifestyle comes into play as far as where he'd want to play. You can rule out a lot of bigger cities based on the fact that they've already got goalies locked in (L.A., Boston, Montreal, Vancouver). I guess there's Toronto. I don't think Chicago would spend the money on Hank when they've got great goaltending at a bargain price from Crawford and Emery. The Devils and Islanders would both allow him to stay in the city but it's still not exactly the same situation. Where else would he really even consider?

RangerFan10 05-28-2013 01:36 AM

I'm also not that concerned about Stepan. I think he's always liked it here. It's McDonagh that makes me a little nervous. They had a bit of a hard time getting him to sign his ELC. He's established himself as an elite shut down defenseman in this league. He moves the puck well and I'm sure most coaches realize he's capable of contributing on the powerplay. I'm not convinced McDonagh is in love with playing in NY. He may look to bail. The Rangers may look at their depth at left defenseman and let it happen. Not this summer obviously, but I don't know that they'll dip into any of his UFA years.

Rangerfan4life90 05-28-2013 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RangerFan10 (Post 66684163)
Even if the Rangers are awful, do you really think Hank will want to leave? He LOVES the city. If he really becomes disgruntled he's the type of player the Rangers will bend over backwards for. Whether that means a new coach, money or what have you.

Even if he wanted out, I think his lifestyle comes into play as far as where he'd want to play. You can rule out a lot of bigger cities based on the fact that they've already got goalies locked in (L.A., Boston, Montreal, Vancouver). I guess there's Toronto. I don't think Chicago would spend the money on Hank when they've got great goaltending at a bargain price from Crawford and Emery. The Devils and Islanders would both allow him to stay in the city but it's still not exactly the same situation. Where else would he really even consider?

If Hank came out and said he was interested in joining the Blackhawks, then they would go all out to try to get him. Crawford and Emery couldn't hold Hank's jockstrap.

RangerFan10 05-28-2013 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangerfan4life90 (Post 66684319)
If Hank came out and said he was interested in joining the Blackhawks, then they would go all out to try to get him. Crawford and Emery couldn't hold Hank's jockstrap.

Do you honestly think anyone believes Crawford or Emery could? The fact of the matter is the Hawks won the cup in '10 with Niemi and they're a game away from the conference finals with Crawford while Hank sits at home. Just because Hank wants to play in Chicago doesn't mean it's feasible for Chicago to go get Hank.

You find the cap space for Towes, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook and then the second tier guys like Bolland, Hjalmarsson, Stalberg, Saad AND Hank and I'm thinking you should be their cap guy instead of whoever they've got now.

darko 05-28-2013 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangerfan4life90 (Post 66684319)
If Hank came out and said he was interested in joining the Blackhawks, then they would go all out to try to get him. Crawford and Emery couldn't hold Hank's jockstrap.


Good luck finding room. And I doubt they'll be buying out Hossa.

broadwayblue 05-28-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by haohmaru (Post 66679823)
No, THIS summer. He is not going to negotiate during the season and, like I said, if the Rangers are in a precarious position during next year's trade deadline then Hank will be a serious commodity that they are going to have to look at dealing, and will, rather than losing him for nothing.

If he goes to UFA next summer, he won't be a Ranger.

When did he tell you that?

Kel Varnsen 05-28-2013 11:51 AM

Ranking is way overdone in sports talk. Step has to be taken care of. So do some other things, like McD. Ranking them is to talk about nothing

Silence Of The Plams 05-28-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kel Varnsen (Post 66693905)
Ranking is way overdone in sports talk. Step has to be taken care of. So do some other things, like McD. Ranking them is to talk about nothing

Pretty much. They're all things you have to take care of and they're all very important ie. Stepan, McD etc. no need to rank.

But if anything, I say getting Step on board is a big priority.

Fataldogg 05-28-2013 02:23 PM

Not priority one, but he's a big piece.

I was never convinced he was a #1 center, but this season, he played at the level of a legitimate #1 center. On pace for 30 goals / 75 points while playing stellar defense.

My feeling is, however, he is more along the lines of a solid 2nd line center than a 1st line center. I think he overachieved this season, and I question his ability to sustain that in the future.

Just as a question Brassard's ability to be a PT/GM player. I think Brassard is more along the lines of a 2nd line center / 3rd line center on a deep team.

McDonagh is the more valuable piece. I view McDonagh as a legitimate first pairing defense man and someone you can build your defensive core around. I think McDonagh could be a great all around defense man capable of putting up 50 points if Tortorella didn't use him in strictly a shut down role. They need to expand his arsenal in NY for him to reach his true potential. And because I think that of McDonagh, I'd make him the #1 priority in the off season.

Stepan and McDonagh are the top priorities. Both are a RFA, so Sather has the leverage in this example (unless they get an offer sheet, which I can definitely see happening on McDonagh).

$3.75 million / year for McDonagh (would put him in line with Girardi and Staal's salary) and $3.5-$4 million / year for Stepan (would put him in line with the raise that Dubinsky and Callahan got). Sign McDonagh to $4+ million a year if you can acquire him long term.

Than sign Hagelin at $2.5 million / year.

Let Clowe walk. He won't be worth the $4-5 million it will take to sign him.


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