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Beef Invictus 06-02-2013 04:06 PM

2013 NHL Draft Talk Part V: Flyers own the 11th overall pick
 
Carry on!

Krishna 06-02-2013 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 66914373)
Carry on!

Don't tell me what to do

Larry44 06-02-2013 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 66914373)
Carry on!

So, should the Flyers pick at 11, trade up or down, pick a dman or the BPA even if its another centre? Please discuss in another 1000 posts. :)

Roo Mad Bro 06-02-2013 04:52 PM

Stay at 11 and just draft BPA.

Broad Street Elite 06-02-2013 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Roo Mad Bro (Post 66916017)
Stay at 11 and just draft BPA.

/thread

ugiswrong 06-02-2013 04:56 PM

Holmgren should do something unprecedented and humorous, like trading up to around 6 or 7, and then afterwards trading the newly acquired pick back down.

Broad Street Elite 06-02-2013 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ugiswrong (Post 66916119)
Holmgren should do something unprecedented and humorous, like trading up to around 6 or 7, and then afterwards trading the newly acquired pick back down.

The board would implode. Especially when Holmgren somehow gives up more to move up than he gets to move back down.

poneill27 06-02-2013 06:50 PM

^^^ These last 2 posts made me laugh.

Jumping 06-02-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ugiswrong (Post 66916119)
Holmgren should do something unprecedented and humorous, like trading up to around 6 or 7, and then afterwards trading the newly acquired pick back down.

No, Andy Reid is in KC now.

orange is better 06-02-2013 08:01 PM

Trade up to #3, draft Robert Haag, win the NHL.



:sarcasm:

GoneFullHextall 06-02-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Broad Street Elite (Post 66916475)
The board would implode. Especially when Holmgren somehow gives up more to move up than he gets to move back down.

and the Holmgren supporters would just call it hindsight.

Cyborg LeClair 06-03-2013 12:08 AM

We need a player like Drew Doughty. Are there any players similar to him in this year's draft?

LegionOfDoom91 06-03-2013 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyborg LeClair (Post 66934057)
We need a player like Drew Doughty. Are there any players similar to him in this year's draft?

Seth Jones is probably the closest but he won't be at #11.

Hockeypete49 06-03-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LegionOfDoom91 (Post 66934207)
Seth Jones is probably the closest but he won't be at #11.

Morrissey has potential and should be there at 11. But since this is a new thread do not forget my pick of Samuel Morin unless one of the top 4 through 8 picks slide to us. Everyone knows the top three by now.

Broad Street Elite 06-03-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeypete49 (Post 66945527)
Morrissey has potential and should be there at 11. But since this is a new thread do not forget my pick of Samuel Morin unless one of the top 4 through 8 picks side to us. Everyone knows the top three by now.

I wouldn't say that Morrissey compares super well with Doughty. In the sense of a potential two-way defenseman that can skate sure, but Morrissey would have to go through a significant physical maturation to match the size and strength of Doughty.

Based on physical attributes, Doughty and Nurse are probably more closely aligned, but expect Nurse to be Doughty is a shot in the dark as well (as always in the NHL draft).

BobbyClarkeFan16 06-03-2013 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Broad Street Elite (Post 66946681)
I wouldn't say that Morrissey compares super well with Doughty. In the sense of a potential two-way defenseman that can skate sure, but Morrissey would have to go through a significant physical maturation to match the size and strength of Doughty.

I'd say Morrissey does compare with Doughty. Yes, Doughty is stronger, but let's not forget that Doughty is a couple of years older and has been in the NHL for some time, so he's got access to superior physical fitness training and the like.

I wouldn't say a significant physical maturation would be required because Doughty is only 5'11, 210 pounds. He's stocky. Morrissey is 6'0, 185 pounds. I'd like to think in five years time, Morrissey reaches the 200+ pound mark when he physically matures.

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Originally Posted by Broad Street Elite (Post 66946681)
Based on physical attributes, Doughty and Nurse are probably more closely aligned, but expect Nurse to be Doughty is a shot in the dark as well (as always in the NHL draft).

I'd have to disagree here as well. Based on physical attributes alone, Nurse projects more like Coburn physically. Nurse is 6'5, 210 pounds. He's a big kid already. In terms of offensive production, I think it's very plausible that Nurse becomes a John Carlson type of defenseman in terms of offensive ability.

I don't think Nurse's offensive game measures well to that of Doughty. I see the comparisons more with Carlson and think more and more that's a good fit.

Larry44 06-03-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 66947963)
I'd say Morrissey does compare with Doughty. Yes, Doughty is stronger, but let's not forget that Doughty is a couple of years older and has been in the NHL for some time, so he's got access to superior physical fitness training and the like.

I wouldn't say a significant physical maturation would be required because Doughty is only 5'11, 210 pounds. He's stocky. Morrissey is 6'0, 185 pounds. I'd like to think in five years time, Morrissey reaches the 200+ pound mark when he physically matures.

I've read comparisons, and maybe they were yours, of Morrissey to Duncan Keith - small, fast puck moving D.

If his talent/skating/strength are that good, the height doesn't matter as much.

Krishna 06-03-2013 02:17 PM

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Krishna 06-03-2013 02:49 PM

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...s-and-weights/

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BernieParent 06-03-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by orange is better (Post 66921849)
Trade up to #3, draft Robert Haag, win the NHL.



:sarcasm:

  • Trade Couturier, Laughton and #11 for #1
  • Draft Jones
  • Trade Jones for a veteran depth centre

DecadesofFutility 06-03-2013 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyborg LeClair (Post 66934057)
We need a player like Drew Doughty. Are there any players similar to him in this year's draft?

I think Pulock could be a #1 defenseman.
He is an offensive defenseman over 6' and over 200#.
Central Scouting rates him at #12 overall.

Craig Button of TSN compared him to Al MacInnis.

FlyersFan61290 06-03-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DecadesofFutility (Post 66967503)
I think Pulock could be a #1 defenseman.
He is an offensive defenseman over 6' and over 200#.
Central Scouting rates him at #12 overall.

Craig Button of TSN compared him to Al MacInnis.

According to TSN's Bob McKenzie about as many scouts have Poluck ranked in the second round as the first. With the 11th overall the Flyers can do better IMO.

IronMarshal 06-03-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DecadesofFutility (Post 66967503)
I think Pulock could be a #1 defenseman.
He is an offensive defenseman over 6' and over 200#.
Central Scouting rates him at #12 overall.

Craig Button of TSN compared him to Al MacInnis.


I agree with this. I have wanted Nurse first for awhile, but Pulock has been growing on me. I think he has potential to be a number 1 and there is a good possiblity of him being there at #11.
The Flyers have a huge need for a powerplay QB, first pairing guy. Pulock has leadership, a solid build, decent skating good passing and a cannon shot. He sounds like exactly what the Flyers need.

IronMarshal 06-03-2013 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyersFan61290 (Post 66968833)
According to TSN's Bob McKenzie about as many scouts have Poluck ranked in the second round as the first. With the 11th overall the Flyers can do better IMO.

I must say that over the years I have not been impressed with McKenzie's prediction. The fact that half of the Scouts have him in the first says something as well. Maybe the better scouts have him there, ie. the Flyers scouts who seem to be very good in the first. the point is just because half the scouts say possibly second round is meaningless if someone takes him in the first. I might be wrong but IIRC Forsberg was rated second round in THNs draft guide and I think McKenzie was still with them then.

LegionOfDoom91 06-03-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMarshal (Post 66969539)
I must say that over the years I have not been impressed with McKenzie's prediction. The fact that half of the Scouts have him in the first says something as well. Maybe the better scouts have him there, ie. the Flyers scouts who seem to be very good in the first. the point is just because half the scouts say possibly second round is meaningless if someone takes him in the first. I might be wrong but IIRC Forsberg was rated second round in THNs draft guide and I think McKenzie was still with them then.

McKenzie's rankings aren't his personal opinions on the players, he polls 10 different scouts and takes the consensus and ranks them accordingly.

He joined TSN in 1986 after leaving The Hockey News, Forsberg was drafted in 1991.


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