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angry pirate 06-03-2013 01:18 PM

*OFFICIAL* Halifax Mooseheads 2013-2014 Thread
 
As this will be an evolving process throughout the summer, I figured I would create a depth chart reflecting what we know. The only assumptions will be that Andrews (NHL contract or not) will be in the AHL as a 20. And considering our 2 high euro picks, it's safe to assume Detroit will be putting Frk in Grand Rapids. I'll include MacKinnon and Drouin for now until otherwise proven.

Ryan - Drouin - Ashley
Meier - Andrews - Ehlers
C.Moynihan - D.Moynihan - Ciampini
Watt- Shewfelt - Leblanc
Lindsay
Alcalde

Duke - Weegar
Murphy - Hardie
Lovell - Jacques
Lussier

Fucale
Darveau

Falkenham - Out for season
Lewis - Cut




I'll update the chart as information get's rumoured, factual reports come out.

ClemQ 06-03-2013 01:23 PM

Eichel ?? Rights relinquished??

jfb392 06-03-2013 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClemQ (Post 66947977)
Eichel ?? Rights relinquished??

Yes, it just happened:
Quote:

CH_WillyPalov The Mooseheads have forfeited Jack Eichel's rights, will receive a second-round pick this year as compensation.
http://twitter.com/CH_WillyPalov/sta...63283767169024

Also OP, assuming Andrews will be in the AHL is not a safe assumption to make.
He was not signed by 6/1 and Nashville has lost his rights.
He'll enter the draft again and even if he's picked up, a team could send him back to the Q and still own his rights.

angry pirate 06-03-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfb392 (Post 66948083)
Yes, it just happened:

http://twitter.com/CH_WillyPalov/sta...63283767169024

Also OP, assuming Andrews will be in the AHL is not a safe assumption to make.
He was not signed by 6/1 and Nashville has lost his rights.
He'll enter the draft again and even if he's picked up, a team could send him back to the Q and still own his rights.

I guess I always assumed he'd be in the AHL by 20 based on his game despite his inability to finish. (pro style 2 way game) But your right, it shouldn't be an assumption. I'll put him on the bottom of the depth chart with and put an * next to your 4 20's until we know for sure.

c_robio 06-03-2013 01:59 PM

I went to a game in moncton toward the end of the season and they had Sam Leblanc in the lineup

I think he's a pretty good bet to make the team. Didn't look out of place. Not asking he be added to the depth chart but just thoght I'd mention.

IHaveNoCreativity 06-03-2013 02:55 PM

I'm very surprised that they relinquished Eichel's rights.. A waste of a first.

c_robio 06-03-2013 03:14 PM

They did get a compensatory 2nd rd pick though. In the end only dropped a round

Didn't pay off but not a bad risk to take with a late 1st. By the sound of it he was gonna report until something changed recently.

Dgill 06-03-2013 03:22 PM

I think the 20's at this point should be Ashley, Andrews, and Lewis. We'll obviously be moving from a very talented skilled set team to a team that wins on grit and hard work.

Not that the Moose weren't a hardworking team last season by any means.

I daresay MacKinnon is NHL bound and Drouin with an outside chance. However, I am hopeful that both end up back in the Q so we can continue to be spoiled.

It also really sucks about Eichel. I honestly thought he'd end up a Moosehead next season.

IHaveNoCreativity 06-03-2013 04:27 PM

I geuss something pretty big must of changed.

ZombieRegDunlop 06-03-2013 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity (Post 66954853)
I geuss something pretty big must of changed.

I'm not so sure anything changed, other than what fans speculate and pray for on chat boards. It may have never been close.

WildcatMapleLeafs28 06-03-2013 06:32 PM

If a player's rights are " relinquished" or "forfeited" , can another team pursue him ? Is he considered a free agent ? Some clarity would be greatly appreciated..

WildcatMapleLeafs28 06-03-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ZombieRegDunlop (Post 66955383)
I'm not so sure anything changed, other than what fans speculate and pray for on chat boards. It may have never been close.

Pretty much this. Looks like it was always a longshot gamble. Not a fan of the league's new compensation donations... Don't know why they'd open up that avenue :shakehead

angry pirate 06-03-2013 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildcatMapleLeafs28 (Post 66959191)
If a player's rights are " relinquished" or "forfeited" , can another team pursue him ? Is he considered a free agent ? Some clarity would be greatly appreciated..

He goes back into the draft.

With him not showing up, it does us good to get an additional second rounder, considering we only had 2 picks in the first five rounds to start with. Maybe we'll be able to package it with something to move into the 1st round.

WildcatMapleLeafs28 06-03-2013 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angry pirate (Post 66962267)
He goes back into the draft.

With him not showing up, it does us good to get an additional second rounder, considering we only had 2 picks in the first five rounds to start with. Maybe we'll be able to package it with something to move into the 1st round.

So technically Halifax could take him with a late round pick ? It'd be smart on their part, get an asset and re-draft him.

Patmac40 06-03-2013 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildcatMapleLeafs28 (Post 66963787)
So technically Halifax could take him with a late round pick ? It'd be smart on their part, get an asset and re-draft him.

I wouldn't mind this at all

Raimu 06-03-2013 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildcatMapleLeafs28 (Post 66963787)
So technically Halifax could take him with a late round pick ? It'd be smart on their part, get an asset and re-draft him.

I think that may be against the rules. I dunno for sure tho.

WildcatMapleLeafs28 06-03-2013 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raimu (Post 66974219)
I think that may be against the rules. I dunno for sure tho.

I'm sure the league would be impressed lol. They probably never even discussed that possibility :laugh:

Raimu 06-03-2013 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildcatMapleLeafs28 (Post 66975655)
I'm sure the league would be impressed lol. They probably never even discussed that possibility :laugh:

I think if the Mooseheads somehow successfully relinquish Eichel's rights, receive a 2nd round pick as compensation, then re-aquire Eichel's rights for cheaper than that 2nd rounder... well it would be some sort of farce. It would be a hilarious farce, but still a farce.

IHaveNoCreativity 06-03-2013 11:03 PM

Can he even be re-drafted by them ?

ClemQ 06-04-2013 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildcatMapleLeafs28 (Post 66959259)
Pretty much this. Looks like it was always a longshot gamble. Not a fan of the league's new compensation donations... Don't know why they'd open up that avenue :shakehead

in terms of players not reporting, the league has always done the compensation pick. Val d'or did it a few years ago if i'm not mistaken with Louis Leblanc. It's not that bad a plan if you are not relying on that pick to be in your line up right away.
Eichel would have been a huge addition, but, realistically they lose nothing other than a few spots in the draft. They picked him 15th if i remember correctly and this year, they will get the 19th overall in compensation for it.

So overall, it's not a bad gamble.

optimus2861 06-04-2013 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dgill (Post 66952221)
I daresay MacKinnon is NHL bound and Drouin with an outside chance. However, I am hopeful that both end up back in the Q so we can continue to be spoiled.

After watching their performances at the Mem Cup, I'd say MacKinnon is 90%+ gone and Drouin is 60%+ gone. There's just nothing left for either to achieve in major junior. I've often thought that Drouin's game wouldn't translate to the NHL as well as Mac's, but I think I have to take that back after seeing just how good his passing & playmaking was at the tournament. He's as ready for the next step as Mac is.

I do hope they can both get loaned to Team Canada for the world juniors in December though!

ClemQ 06-04-2013 09:29 AM

i would be shocked if both are not in the NHL. They will both be 950k per year players (or whatever the rookie max. salary is), and they can do just as well as a veteran 3rd/4th line player who would be making probably more salary.

Raimu 06-04-2013 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClemQ (Post 66991271)
in terms of players not reporting, the league has always done the compensation pick. Val d'or did it a few years ago if i'm not mistaken with Louis Leblanc. It's not that bad a plan if you are not relying on that pick to be in your line up right away.
Eichel would have been a huge addition, but, realistically they lose nothing other than a few spots in the draft. They picked him 15th if i remember correctly and this year, they will get the 19th overall in compensation for it.

So overall, it's not a bad gamble.

Compensation pick has already been awarded, #34 overall (end of round 2)

If I understand the rules correctly had they forfeited the pick before September 15th of the year they drafted him (2012) they would have received the 16th overall pick as compensation (same pick, one pick after.) .. tho I wonder if it would have been the 17th pick because Val'Dor has a compensation pick at like 10 or 11

ClemQ 06-04-2013 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raimu (Post 66992327)
Compensation pick has already been awarded, #34 overall (end of round 2)

If I understand the rules correctly had they forfeited the pick before September 15th of the year they drafted him (2012) they would have received the 16th overall pick as compensation (same pick, one pick after.) .. tho I wonder if it would have been the 17th pick because Val'Dor has a compensation pick at like 10 or 11

sorry, my mistake - my thought remains the same. it's not a bad gamble.

angry pirate 06-04-2013 12:32 PM

So as of now, if Duke is out and Andrews is our 3rd 20, who's our 6th D-Man?

Bailey was fine as a 7th/8th depth. Any chance JP Provancher (sp) comes in and takes the 6/7 spot? Anyone see him play?


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