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WeThreeKings 06-08-2013 11:27 AM

Looking back at 2012 Prospect Rankings
 
Every year we rank out prospects after the draft and with a couple weeks to go before we add some new and exciting talent to the pool, I think we should reflect at the rankings we gave our prospects last year and see how far they've fallen, how far they've risen, who we were right about and who we were wrong about.

Here is last year's list:
1. Alex Galchenyuk, C (Sarnia Sting, OHL) - 100% of votes.
2. Nathan Beaulieu, D (St. Johns Sea Dogs, QMJHL) - 43.84% of votes.
3. Jarred Tinordi, D (London Knights, OHL) - 58.16% of votes.
4. Louis Leblanc, C/RW (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 53.51% of the votes.
5. Sebastien Collberg, RW (Frolunda, SEL) - 56.04% of the votes.
6. Brendan Gallagher, RW (Vancouver Giants, WHL) - 87.38% of the votes.
7. Morgan Ellis, D (Shawinigan Cataractes, QMJHL) - 47.98% of the votes.
8. Danny Kristo, RW (North Dakota, NCAA) - 67.96% of the votes
9. Dalton Thrower, D (Saskatoon Blades, WHL) - 50.00% of the votes.
10. Michael Bournival, C (Shawinigan Cataractes, QMJHL) - 42.41% of the votes.
11. Mac Bennett, D (Michigan Wolverines, NCAA) - 29.13% of the votes.
12. Tim Bozon, LW (Kamloops Blazers, WHL) - 31.94% of the votes.
13. Patrick Holland, C (Tri City Americans, WHL) - 28.19% of the votes.
14. Aaron Palushaj, RW (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 38.24% of the votes.
15. Darren Dietz, D (Saskatoon Blades, WHL) - 44.85% of the votes.
16. Black Geoffrion, LW/C (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 29.85% of the votes (wins tie-break by virtue of votes in poll #15).
17. Steve Quailer, RW/LW (Northeastern, NCAA) - 29.85% of the votes (loses tie-break by virtue of votes in poll#15).
18. Mark MacMillan, LW (North Dakota, NCAA) - 18.40% of the votes.
19. Brady Vail, C (Windsor Spitfires, OHL) - 30.77% of the votes.
20. Charles Hudon, LW (Chicoutimi Sangueneens, QMJHL) - 16.67% of the votes.
21. Gabriel Dumont, C (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 21.90% of the votes.
22. Alexander Avtsin, RW (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 20.59% of the votes (wins tie-break by virtue of votes in poll #21).
23. Joonas Nattinen, C (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 20.59% of the votes (loses tea-break by virtue of votes in poll #21).
24. Brendon Nash, D (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 37.61% of the votes.
25. Daniel Pribyl, C (HC Sparta Praha, Czech Elite League) - 45.36% of the votes.
26. Greg Pateryn, D (Michigan Wolverines, NCAA) - 79.20% of the votes.
27. Josiah Didier, D (University of Denver Pioneers, NCAA) - 73.60% of the votes.
28. Erik Nystrom, LW (MODO Hockey, SEL) - 61.60% of the votes.
29. Olivier Archambault, LW (Drumondville Voltiguers, QMJHL) - 59.20% of the votes.
30. Ian Schultz, RW (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 51.20% of the votes.
31. Magnus Nygren, D (Farjestads BK, SEL) - 90.00% of the votes.
32. Colin Sullivan, D (Avon Old Farms, USHE) - 68.00% of the votes.
33. Dustin Walsh, C (Dartmouth College Big Green, NCAA) - 63.00% of the votes.
34. Alain Berger, RW (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 53.00% of the votes.
35. Maxim Trunev, RW (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, KHL) - 51.00% of the votes.
36. Joe Stejskal, D (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 92.08% of the votes.
37. Peter Delmas, G (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 64.36% of the votes.
38. Michael Cichy, C (Awaiting Transfer, NCAA) - 47.52% of the votes.

I think we were all right with Galchenyuk as #1.
We definitely had Gallagher rated too low, he should have been behind Galchenyuk.
Beaulieu a little high but I think warranted it with his play this year.
Tinordi and Collberg are around their right location.
Leblanc definitely was rated highly but fell off.
Ellis, Pribyl, Palushaj, Thrower, and Quailer are all ones we had rated highly that should have been lower.
Hudon, Dietz, Pateryn and Nygren are ones, to me, that we rated too low.

Ezpz 06-08-2013 11:33 AM

Pateryn higher.
Nygren much higher.
Quailer lower.
Hudon higher.
Dumont possibly higher.
Leblanc lower.
Thrower probably lower but I still think his upside is the same.
Ellis over Kristo never made sense. Were people really that upset that Kristo went for a final year of College when we didn't even have a GM in place?

WeThreeKings 06-08-2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ezpz (Post 67202591)
Pateryn higher.
Nygren much higher.
Quailer lower.
Hudon higher.
Dumont possibly higher.
Leblanc lower.
Thrower probably lower but I still think his upside is the same.
Ellis over Kristo never made sense. Were people really that upset that Kristo went for a final year of College when we didn't even have a GM in place?

:laugh: yes they were pissed at Kristo for that. Kristo was definitely rated too low.

HankyZetts 06-08-2013 02:15 PM

1. Alex Galchenyuk, C (Sarnia Sting, OHL) - 100% of votes.
2. Nathan Beaulieu, D (St. Johns Sea Dogs, QMJHL) - 43.84% of votes.
3. Jarred Tinordi, D (London Knights, OHL) - 58.16% of votes.
6. Brendan Gallagher, RW (Vancouver Giants, WHL) - 87.38% of the votes.
5. Sebastien Collberg, RW (Frolunda, SEL) - 56.04% of the votes.
8. Danny Kristo, RW (North Dakota, NCAA) - 67.96% of the votes
20. Charles Hudon, LW (Chicoutimi Sangueneens, QMJHL) - 16.67% of the votes.
9. Dalton Thrower, D (Saskatoon Blades, WHL) - 50.00% of the votes.
4. Louis Leblanc, C/RW (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 53.51% of the votes.
7. Morgan Ellis, D (Shawinigan Cataractes, QMJHL) - 47.98% of the votes.
10. Michael Bournival, C (Shawinigan Cataractes, QMJHL) - 42.41% of the votes.
15. Darren Dietz, D (Saskatoon Blades, WHL) - 44.85% of the votes.
18. Mark MacMillan, LW (North Dakota, NCAA) - 18.40% of the votes.
19. Brady Vail, C (Windsor Spitfires, OHL) - 30.77% of the votes.
12. Tim Bozon, LW (Kamloops Blazers, WHL) - 31.94% of the votes.
23. Joonas Nattinen, C (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 20.59% of the votes (loses tea-break by virtue of votes in poll).
11. Mac Bennett, D (Michigan Wolverines, NCAA) - 29.13% of the votes.
31. Magnus Nygren, D (Farjestads BK, SEL) - 90.00% of the votes.
13. Patrick Holland, C (Tri City Americans, WHL) - 28.19% of the votes.
17. Steve Quailer, RW/LW (Northeastern, NCAA) - 29.85% of the votes (loses tie-break by virtue of votes in poll#15).
26. Greg Pateryn, D (Michigan Wolverines, NCAA) - 79.20% of the votes.
27. Josiah Didier, D (University of Denver Pioneers, NCAA) - 73.60% of the votes.
24. Brendon Nash, D (Hamilton Bulldogs, AHL) - 37.61% of the votes.
25. Daniel Pribyl, C (HC Sparta Praha, Czech Elite League) - 45.36% of the votes.


Without putting toooo much thought into it, I like something like this. I know i'm underrating Bennett but, admittedly, he is the prospect I've seen the least of, so I don't want to rank him ahead of guys I already know and like. :)

Ohashi_Jouzu 06-08-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HankyZetts (Post 67208641)
Without putting toooo much thought into it, I like something like this. I know i'm underrating Bennett but, admittedly, he is the prospect I've seen the least of, so I don't want to rank him ahead of guys I already know and like. :)

Without getting too deep into it either, swap Dietz with Thrower, and I could probably shake on it. I'd be closer to swapping Bournival and Nygren as well, believe it or not.

Analyzer 06-08-2013 02:33 PM

Black Geoffrion ? :laugh:

HankyZetts 06-08-2013 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohashi_Jouzu (Post 67209057)
Without getting too deep into it either, swap Dietz with Thrower, and I could probably shake on it. I'd be closer to swapping Bournival and Nygren as well, believe it or not.

I could definitely swap Bournival and Nygren if we're talking about potential ceilings. I only put him there because I think he will certainly be an NHLer. Nygren is more talented though, no doubt.

WeThreeKings 06-08-2013 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 67209307)
Black Geoffrion ? :laugh:

A typo that turned into a running joke.

Too bad ole Black Geoffrion won't be back to play with Subban and Nygren.

Mrb1p 06-08-2013 04:25 PM

Ultimately, I don't think it changed that much. Outside of Nygren, Hudon, Kristo and Dietz no one really need to rise and no one really needs to fall outside of the people not signed...

hototogisu 06-08-2013 04:37 PM

The obsession with size on this board is why you have a guy like Ian Schultz placing higher than Magnus Nygren.

WeThreeKings 06-08-2013 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hototogisu (Post 67214135)
The obsession with size on this board is why you have a guy like Ian Schultz placing higher than Magnus Nygren.

Obscure Euro hype always wins too.. I fall into it (Avtsin, Trunev & Pribyl RIP).

#14 on our list, Aaron Palushaj got traded during the season.
#16 Black Geoffrion suffers career threatening injury (nothing we could predict)
#22 Alexander Avtsin released
#24 Brendon Nash traded.
#25 Daniel Pribyl not signed
#29 Olivier Archambault not signed
#33 Dustin Walsh not signed
#34 Alain Berger released.

So 8 of our prospects in our 38 player deep pool are no longer going to be on the ballot when I run this poll post 2013 Draft.

Mrb1p 06-08-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeThreeKings (Post 67214409)
Obscure Euro hype always wins too.. I fall into it (Avtsin, Trunev & Pribyl RIP).

#14 on our list, Aaron Palushaj got traded during the season.
#16 Black Geoffrion suffers career threatening injury (nothing we could predict)
#22 Alexander Avtsin released
#24 Brendon Nash traded.
#25 Daniel Pribyl not signed
#29 Olivier Archambault not signed
#33 Dustin Walsh not signed
#34 Alain Berger released.

So 8 of our prospects in our 38 player deep pool are no longer going to be on the ballot when I run this poll post 2013 Draft.

Luckily, the best asset we might have lost is Black Geoffrion or Palushaj.... This doesn't hurt us much, both players acquired for scraps. There was also no high pick wasted there.

ChoseLa 06-08-2013 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrb1p (Post 67214617)
Luckily, the best asset we might have lost is Black Geoffrion or Palushaj.... This doesn't hurt us much, both players acquired for scraps. There was also no high pick wasted there.

Has Black Jeff retired officialy?

Mrb1p 06-08-2013 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoseLa (Post 67215771)
Has Black Jeff retired officialy?

Yes he has. He's pimpin' somewhere else now.

PricerStopDaPuck 06-08-2013 05:17 PM

Truly sad that Blake might retire to me he was a good 3rd line guy abit down the road. Can't believe that hit that useless goon delivered to him

25get 06-08-2013 06:00 PM

Feels like Dietz, Kristo, Dumont, Nygren, Pateryn and Hudon should all go up in that order.
Dietz is definitively top-10 maybe top-5.
Nygren was 31st in our list so he should get the most spectacular rise (top-10?).

Leblanc and Thrower have gone down.
But I hope both are going to rise again.
Leblanc because of his working ethics.
Thrower also dropped a lot.

Vail will probably go down but he increased his numbers despite playing on defense at some point during the season.

Out of that list: Galchenyuk, Gallagher Prybil, Palushaj, Goeffrion and Archambeault.

With Beaulieu, Tinordi and Dietz we are pretty loaded in defense.

25get 06-08-2013 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galchenyuktocollberg (Post 67215833)
Truly sad that Blake might retire to me he was a good 3rd line guy abit down the road. Can't believe that hit that useless goon delivered to him

It was an unfortunate injury not a deliberate hit.

TinordiandSubban 06-08-2013 06:04 PM

Just for fun added the picks from the mock draft:

1. Nathan Beaulieu, D
2. Jarred Tinordi, D
3. Danny Kristo, RW
4 Andrei Burakowsky, LW
5. Charles Hudon, LW
6. Sebastian Collberg, RW
7. Greg Pateryn, D
8. Darren Dietz, D
9. Zach Nastasiuk, RW
10. Jason Dickinson, LW-C
11. Michael Bournival, C
12. John Hayden, C
13. Magnus Nygren, D
14. Tim Bozon, LW
15. Mac Bennett, D
16. Patrick Holland, C/RW
17. Dalton Thrower, D
18. Morgan Ellis, D
19. Tristan Jarry, G
20. Louis Leblanc, RW/LW
21. Mark MacMillan, LW
22. Brady Vail, C
23. Gabriel Dumont, C
24. Gustav Olofsson, LW
25. Joonas Nattinen, C
26. Edgars Klavins, LW
27. Josiah Didier, D
28. Erik Nystrom, LW
29. Aidan Muir, LW
30. Mike Condom, G
31. Steve Quailer, LW
32. Colin Sullivan, D
33. Dustin Walsh, C
34. Phillipe Lefebvre, LW
35. Maxim Trunev, RW
36. Joe Stejskal, D
37. Peter Delmas, G
38. Michael Cichy, C

Crimson Skorpion 06-08-2013 07:01 PM

Based on the outcome of this past season...

The right:
-Galchenyuk at #1.
Yes, it's the obvious pick.

-Tinordi and Collberg in the top 5.
Great call on these two. Tinordi will be a beast for the Habs next season and Collberg is going to look very nice on the Habs top 9, given his development doesn't hit any snags on the way there.

Too high:
-Beaulieu at #2.
He looked okay at the NHL level but still needs some seasoning. I still have him in the top 5 but possibly two ranks lower, at #4, just in front of Collberg.

-Leblanc at #4.
Granted, we had no idea he'd hit that big of a wall, that hard. He had so much promise to his game and looked like he was a year or two away and then completely lost a step.


-Ellis at #7.
His drop off, to me, has more reflection on what others did better rather than what he did wrong. He stepped off a bit, but not as much as others and not as much as those two stepped it UP. I still like him as a prospect.

-Thrower at #9.
Same as Leblanc, he lost a step. A big one. I don't see him inside the top 10 but I hope, like Leblanc, he continues positively and proves me wrong. He didn't look good this past season with Saskatoon.

-Bennett at #11.
Just outside the top 10? I think he's a bit lower/behind some other prospects.

-Quailer at #17.
Big drop off for him. Outside of the top 20.

-Schultz at #30.
He shouldn't even be on the list.

HM: Those who were either released or did not get signed, for obvious reasons, but that's hindsight at this point.

Too low:
-Gallagher at #6.
Top five minimum. Top 3, in my opinion. (Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Tinordi)

-Kristo at #8.
I'd have him closer to the top 5 than the bottom of the top 10.

-Dietz at #15.
He's top 10.

-Vail, Hudon and Dumont at #19, #20 and #21 respectively.
All three of them get bumped up several spots, in my opinion. Dumont will be a very solid fourth liner for the Habs. Vail and Hudon show a lot of upside and promise.

-Nygren at #31.
What. Are. You. Doing. There...?

-Delmas at #37.
My own bias and I fully admit that and own it. I have a soft spot for him and believe he should be ranked higher than some ahead of him.

My top 10 would look a little something like this.

1. Galchenyuk
2. Gallagher
3. Tinordi
4. Beaulieu
5. Collberg
6. Kristo
7. Dietz
8. Pateryn
9. Hudon
10. Leblanc

I'd have Nygren at #11, just scratching the surface of the top 10.

Ezpz 06-08-2013 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hototogisu (Post 67214135)
The obsession with size on this board is why you have a guy like Ian Schultz placing higher than Magnus Nygren.

Wat. At the end of last season he went on a tear in the AHL and even got called up to the Habs. He came into camp super fat and ruined his career, but there were strong thoughts he'd get a game or two this year before that.

Crimson Skorpion 06-08-2013 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ezpz (Post 67219905)
Wat. At the end of last season he went on a tear in the AHL and even got called up to the Habs. He came into camp super fat and ruined his career, but there were strong thoughts he'd get a game or two this year before that.

At the NHL level, he'd play two minutes and fight. That's it.

And that's IF he'd make it to the NHL. He wouldn't.

Ezpz 06-08-2013 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Private Encounter (Post 67220063)
At the NHL level, he'd play two minutes and fight. That's it.

And that's IF he'd make it to the NHL. He wouldn't.

There was still a decent chance he'd play in the NHL which shoots him up the rankings since Nygren was by no means a lock to ever play in NA at the start of the season.

Crimson Skorpion 06-08-2013 07:12 PM

Nygren shot up as a result of his progression. I understand that.

The fact that Schultz is even on the list makes me wonder. He was good in the WHL, he looked average in the AHL and he looks below average in the ECHL.

Koivu 11 06-08-2013 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galchenyuktocollberg (Post 67215833)
Truly sad that Blake might retire to me he was a good 3rd line guy abit down the road. Can't believe that hit that useless goon delivered to him

I was at the game and saw the hit coming but thought he would just get smashed into the boards...it was so vicious live man, one i'll never forget.

Just a weird play cause Blake saw the hit coming too, you can see him look up before he gets hit and still stays there and takes the hit...I guess he didn't think the impact would be that bad...

WeThreeKings 06-08-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Private Encounter (Post 67220233)
Nygren shot up as a result of his progression. I understand that.

The fact that Schultz is even on the list makes me wonder. He was good in the WHL, he looked average in the AHL and he looks below average in the ECHL.

Well, we rated -every- prospect in the system.. He was going to be on the list no matter what but the fact he was any where but near the bottom of the trash heap is.. baffling.


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