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PernellsWhiteAmi 06-11-2013 04:00 PM

How has Timmins achieved his success?
 
So, as a "kid" who'll be going to college soon, I've always wanted to become a sports agent or scout. Whether I'm a big shot or not doesn't matter. I'll be heading to McGill for business. I'm just curious. Where did Timmins go to college, and what was his degree in? I want to know everything from college until now about his life. Thanks.

Pierre Dagenais 06-11-2013 04:02 PM

"Timmins is a graduate of Queen’s University in Physical Education. He also completed a Master of Business Administration (Queen’s) and earned a Master’s degree in Sports Administration at the University of Ottawa. He was born on January 5, 1968, in Almonte, Ontario"

http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=52840

Goldthorpe 06-11-2013 06:47 PM

Roids

Bloumeister 06-11-2013 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldthorpe (Post 67354431)
Roids

:laugh:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2512/photo1sr0.jpg

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Habs 06-11-2013 10:34 PM

Kostitsyn over Brown, Carter, Seabrook, Parise and Getzlaf. Get a new role model.

This may, or may not have had a touch of sarcasm to it.

PricerStopDaPuck 06-11-2013 11:31 PM

Why do you want to be like timmins? By the looks of it he doesn't even lift....

Andy 06-12-2013 12:10 AM

Get a Ford Taurus.

Stripper 06-12-2013 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habs (Post 67363561)
Kostitsyn over Brown, Carter, Seabrook, Parise and Getzlaf. Get a new role model.

This may, or may not have had a touch of sarcasm to it.

Timmins wanted Carter, Gainey wanted Kostitsyn.
Timmins wanted Giroux, Gainey wanted Fisher.

I think his role model is fine.

Andy 06-12-2013 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stripper (Post 67366163)
Timmins wanted Carter, Gainey wanted Kostitsyn.
Timmins wanted Giroux, Gainey wanted Fisher.

I think his role model is fine.

Both are false actually. It was reported (by who I don't know, though it does get passed around as tho it is a fact here) that Andre Savard wanted Carter, we don't know who pushed for Andrei.

Also it has been confirmed (God knows how many times) that another Habs scout vouched for Fischer, having coached him early in his hockey career.

Stripper 06-12-2013 12:28 AM

I don't remember where I read it, but Timmins had a lock on Giroux. Gainey had the final word and wanted Fischer.

Andy 06-12-2013 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stripper (Post 67366295)
I don't remember where I read it, but Timmins had a lock on Giroux. Gainey had the final word and wanted Fischer.

This is not true. Grant Mccagg, a former scout of the Habs who posts here confirmed that it was another scout on the scouting team that went to bat for Fischer.

Andy 06-12-2013 12:32 AM

Here is the quote from Grant

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant McCagg (Post 56652307)
Actually the scout is still with the team, and he coached Fischer in minor hockey and went to bat for him in terms of his character and potential having coached him. Timmins really liked Giroux..but he liked Fischer as well....he wouldn't have drafted him in the first round if he didn't think he was a future NHLer. Timmins was hoping to get a crack at Giroux in the second round with the two picks they had...they traded down from 16 to 20 with San Jose IIRC.


Bloumeister 06-12-2013 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 67366349)
This is not true. Grant Mccagg, a former scout of the Habs who posts here confirmed that it was another scout on the scouting team that went to bat for Fischer.

The actual quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant McCagg (Post 67113651)
LOL - I never recommended Fischer. I wasn't on the staff at the time. It was Pat Westrum.

:teach:

ChoseLa 06-12-2013 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloumeister (Post 67366511)
The actual quote:



:teach:

Maybe you should edit your post and take off the scout name, it could get Grant into trouble.

Also Timmins started as a conditioning coach for the Sens and when a scout was sick or something he was asked to go do some scouting in his place and he came back with a very good report and was offered a scouting job and climbed to the top quickly.

dmanfish90 06-12-2013 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stripper (Post 67366163)
Timmins wanted Carter, Gainey wanted Kostitsyn.
Timmins wanted Giroux, Gainey wanted Fisher.

I think his role model is fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 67366199)
Both are false actually. It was reported (by who I don't know, though it does get passed around as tho it is a fact here) that Andre Savard wanted Carter, we don't know who pushed for Andrei.

Also it has been confirmed (God knows how many times) that another Habs scout vouched for Fischer, having coached him early in his hockey career.

It has been highly speculated that in 2003, Trevor Timmins wanted to draft Ryan Getzlaf. I never heard about Andre Savard wanting Carter, but the rest of the scouting staff were high on AK46 because he was supposed to go in the top 5, but dropped because of his epilepsy issue, fixed by Dr. Recchi...i mean Dr. Mulder, the Habs Team Doctor.

ClasslessGuy 06-12-2013 06:36 AM

played hockey, being smart and connections

SnapVirus 06-12-2013 07:27 AM

Getzlaf, Giroux ?

Dont EVER listen to somebody else. Let Timmins rocks his boat.

dmanfish90 06-12-2013 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnapVirus (Post 67370507)
Getzlaf, Giroux ?

Dont EVER listen to somebody else. Let Timmins rocks his boat.

Highly speculated, never confirmed.

hototogisu 06-12-2013 08:36 AM

To answer your question and not spark another Timmins debate...


As far as scouting goes, this is a thread from 2006 but it's still pretty relevant and has lots of posts from people who have gotten into scouting and what the job entails, how to get your foot in the door if you don't have any connections, etc:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=253740

And Sports Management Worldwide offers some online courses that might be useful, including Hockey GM & Scouting and Athlete Management Courses if you want to become an agent:

http://www.sportsmanagementworldwide...ey-gm-scouting

http://www.sportsmanagementworldwide...t-sports-agent

It seems to me like a lot of agents come from law backgrounds, so that might be a better bet than business if that's the route you choose.

DAChampion 06-12-2013 09:16 AM

A lot of legends about timmins.

I have also read that wanted to draft John carlson in 2008.

Price My Man Crush 06-13-2013 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hototogisu (Post 67372073)
To answer your question and not spark another Timmins debate...


As far as scouting goes, this is a thread from 2006 but it's still pretty relevant and has lots of posts from people who have gotten into scouting and what the job entails, how to get your foot in the door if you don't have any connections, etc:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=253740

And Sports Management Worldwide offers some online courses that might be useful, including Hockey GM & Scouting and Athlete Management Courses if you want to become an agent:

http://www.sportsmanagementworldwide...ey-gm-scouting

http://www.sportsmanagementworldwide...t-sports-agent

It seems to me like a lot of agents come from law backgrounds, so that might be a better bet than business if that's the route you choose.

Wow. Thanks a lot for all these links and informations. Pretty interesting tbh. However, it changes my plans a little... :laugh:

PernellsWhiteAmi 06-13-2013 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre Dagenais (Post 67348409)
"Timmins is a graduate of Queen’s University in Physical Education. He also completed a Master of Business Administration (Queen’s) and earned a Master’s degree in Sports Administration at the University of Ottawa. He was born on January 5, 1968, in Almonte, Ontario"

http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=52840

Thank you very much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habs (Post 67363561)
Kostitsyn over Brown, Carter, Seabrook, Parise and Getzlaf. Get a new role model.

This may, or may not have had a touch of sarcasm to it.

As well as Gallagher over a few hundred guys. Subban, Mcdonagh, and Pacioretty over quite a few. We can play this game all day long..

Quote:

Originally Posted by galchenyuktocollberg (Post 67365121)
Why do you want to be like timmins? By the looks of it he doesn't even lift....

I don't want to be like Timmins. I mean, it'd be pretty awesome (yet stressful) to do his job for a week. I'm merely interested in his career and how he got into his position, other than hearing about connections.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 67365949)
Get a Ford Taurus.

I've got a head start then. I have a Taurus. A nice 2001 Silver Ford Taurus SE. And, for your information, it's the coolest Taurus in the country. A taurus with a huge ass Habs sticker on the back window, with two twelve inch subwoofers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hototogisu (Post 67372073)
To answer your question and not spark another Timmins debate...


As far as scouting goes, this is a thread from 2006 but it's still pretty relevant and has lots of posts from people who have gotten into scouting and what the job entails, how to get your foot in the door if you don't have any connections, etc:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=253740

And Sports Management Worldwide offers some online courses that might be useful, including Hockey GM & Scouting and Athlete Management Courses if you want to become an agent:

http://www.sportsmanagementworldwide...ey-gm-scouting

http://www.sportsmanagementworldwide...t-sports-agent

It seems to me like a lot of agents come from law backgrounds, so that might be a better bet than business if that's the route you choose.

Merci beaucoup!

WestIslander 06-13-2013 01:38 PM

Timmins was not the problem since 2003, Gainey and Gauthier were, they did not hire the right people to do a good job around them, they made most of the decisions on there own and when they did use other people, the people they were consulting were not good at what they did (example: Gomez trade).

Timmins in my opinion is the best head of amateur scouting in all of the NHL.

Mathradio 06-13-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WestIslander (Post 67445899)
Timmins was not the problem since 2003, Gainey and Gauthier were, they did not hire the right people to do a good job around them, they made most of the decisions on there own and when they did use other people, the people they were consulting were not good at what they did (example: Gomez trade).

Timmins in my opinion is the best head of amateur scouting in all of the NHL.

Don't underestimate the Kekalainen-era Blues (and, by that logic, the Blue Jackets as they stand today)...

Agnostic 06-13-2013 03:02 PM

One secret is to always have something on your boss.

Whether its something unethical they've done, an affair they've confided in you about , hold onto it.

I'm kidding . Kind of . Lol.

Edit: oh yeah and drive a Ford Taurus it's the Alpha Male car.


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