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MapleLeafsFan4Ever 06-12-2013 08:30 PM

Malcolm Subban
 
Win or lose in the Stanley Cup Final I'm sure that during the off season Tuukka Rask will want a long term contract based on his play during the playoffs. So with that in mind and assuming that happens, where will that leave Malcolm Subban and his future with the Bruins? So if Rask is signed to a long term contract should the Bruins think about trading Subban?

HooliganX2 06-12-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LEAFS FAN 4 EVER (Post 67403455)
Win or lose in the Stanley Cup Final I'm sure that during the off season Tuukka Rask will want a long term contract based on his play during the playoffs. So with that in mind and assuming that happens, where will that leave Malcolm Subban and his future with the Bruins? So if Rask is signed to a long term contract should the Bruins think about trading Subban?

Even if Rask gets an 8 year deal I think there is at least 2-3 years before Subban is ready for the NHL.
Then he backs up Rask for a few season then Boston can decide who they want to keep at that time when Subban will most likely have better value then he has now.

MapleLeafsFan4Ever 06-12-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HooliganX2 (Post 67403729)
Even if Rask gets an 8 year deal I think there is at least 2-3 years before Subban is ready for the NHL.
Then he backs up Rask for a few season then Boston can decide who they want to keep at that time when Subban will most likely have better value then he has now.

So you can't see a situation down the road in Boston like what Vancouver is going through with Luongo and Schneider? Using them as an example Schenider was a 1st round pick in 2004 the same way Subban was in 2012. Now Vancouver can't trade Luongo because of his contract and named Schneider their #1 Goalie. So maybe Boston should look at that as an example of what not to do when they sign a Goalie long term and have a top prospect as a back-up for a long period of time.

SoupyFIN 06-12-2013 08:42 PM

You don't have to look any further than the Boston franchise itself, they'll bring Subban up the same way they did Tuukka too. No reason to trade Subban now.

BigDaddyLurch 06-12-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LEAFS FAN 4 EVER (Post 67403947)
So you can't see a situation down the road in Boston like what Vancouver is going through with Luongo and Schneider? Using them as an example Schenider was a 1st round pick in 2004 the same way Subban was in 2012. Now Vancouver can't trade Luongo because of his contract and named Schneider their #1 Goalie. So maybe Boston should look at that as an example of what not to do when they sign a Goalie long term and have a top prospect as a back-up for a long period of time.

No, you can't have Malcolm Subban for Andrew Raycroft...no backsies! :laugh:

JoeIsAStud 06-12-2013 09:02 PM

Boston is unlikely to deal Subban this year, you can never say never, because something silly may come up that Boston jumps on.

Right now Subban has decent value, but probably no more than a middle first round pick, it isn't like he jumped his value dramatically.

Now if next trade deadline Subban is the guy who can get the Bruins an impact player signed for 3 year at a position of need, maybe he is dealt.

More likely the bruins don't even think about dealing him until he has had a season as a #1 goalie in the AHL, and showed so much ability doing so that some team feels they need him and are willing to pay a ton to get him.

roflstomper 06-12-2013 09:04 PM

Subban is at least 4-5 years away, and then it's not even a guarantee. His value isn't too much right now. They need to sign Rask, groom Subban and increase his value. This conversation is a few years away.

Kaen 06-12-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LEAFS FAN 4 EVER (Post 67403947)
So you can't see a situation down the road in Boston like what Vancouver is going through with Luongo and Schneider? Using them as an example Schenider was a 1st round pick in 2004 the same way Subban was in 2012. Now Vancouver can't trade Luongo because of his contract and named Schneider their #1 Goalie. So maybe Boston should look at that as an example of what not to do when they sign a Goalie long term and have a top prospect as a back-up for a long period of time.

Well Schneider didn't stick in the NHL until 2010-2011, so if you're using that as an example, that means Subban won't be ready until around 2018-2019. Seems a little early to be worrying about a problem you might have in five years.

couture23 06-12-2013 09:17 PM

Watch Subban turn into the next Jonathan Bernier, stuck behind an all-star goalie for several years.

jmeehan1985 06-13-2013 02:06 PM

The Bruins won't sign Rask to the Max contract. I bet he gets 5 years 30 million. Bruins are deep at Goalie there is no reason to rush Subban or trade him. I'd rather have great depth at goaltending. If I could I'd sign Khudobin to a 1 year contract because I think he deserves it. keep Svedberg in the Minors and have Subban back him up next year.

WreckItRask 06-13-2013 02:29 PM

I don't think Subban's trade status has anything to do with Rask in the short term. I do, however, think that he would become available is one of Svedberg, Volden, and/or Zane Gothberg established themselves as legit NHL goalies in the coming years. You would then have a bit of a logjam at the position. But right now it just looks like steady as she goes is the plan for him.

Dellstrom 06-13-2013 02:50 PM

Subban has very low value right now. Wait until he can play at least a season in the AHL at a high level at minimum

TOGuy14 06-13-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLurch (Post 67404279)
No, you can't have Malcolm Subban for Andrew Raycroft...no backsies! :laugh:

What about Justin Pogge? :laugh:

firstemperor 06-13-2013 03:14 PM

Not that high right now, so no reason for Boston to trade him. Thus, they will likely hold onto him.

I don't think he'd net a first round pick in this draft, for example.

The Macho Man 06-13-2013 04:48 PM

It just doesn't make sense to move him right now. A lot could happen before he even sees NHL ice that could increase or decrease his value.

Tim Vezina Thomas 06-13-2013 04:56 PM

Subban isn't even out of juniors yet, him and Rask have nothing to do with each other. You develop subban the same exact way u developed Rask.

Plus, because an organization has a good young goalie they should in turn trade all their other prospects? Hell no.

Look at it this way, chiarelli wouldn't have drafted him a year ago if he wasplanning on trading him because of Tuuka. Even if Tuuka sucked and busted this year, subban would still be 3-5 years away.


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