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caley 06-24-2013 02:46 PM

Qualifying Offers Thread [P.Mueller, Skille, Halischuk, Blum, Nodl not qualified]
 
QUALIFIED
ANA: Kyle Palmieri, LW; Matt Beleskey, LW; Mat Clark, D; Alex Grant, D;
BOS: Tuuka Rask, G; Jordan Caron, RW; Kevan Miller, D; Carter Camper, C;
BUF: Cody Hodgson, C; Brian Flynn, RW; Matthew Hackett, G; Luke Adam, C; Corey Tropp, RW; Nick Crawford, D;
CGY: Mikael Backlund, C; Chris Butler, D; T.J. Brodie, D; Mark Cundari, D; Greg Nemisz, C; Lance Bouma, RW; Carter Bancks, LW; Paul Byron, LW; Chris Breen, D;
CAR: Jared Staal, RW; Riley Nash, C; Zac Dalpe, RW; Zach Boychuk, RW; Michael Jordan, D;
CHI: Marcus Kruger, C; Drew LeBlanc, C; Kyle Beach, LW; Ryan Stanton, D; Shawn Lalonde, D;
CBJ: Sergei Bobrovsky, G; Cody Goloubef, D; David Savard, D; Blake Parlett, D; Spencer Machacek, RW;
DET: Joakim Andersson, C; Gustav Nyquist, LW; Brendan Smith, D;
EDM: Sam Gagner, C; Magnus Paajarvi, RW; Taylor Fedun, D; Teemu Hartikainen, RW {Signed in KHL}; Antti Tyrvainen, LW {Signed in Finland}; Niko Hovinen, G {Signed in KHL};
FLA: Shawn Matthias, C; Michael Caruso, D; Jon Rheault, RW; Jacob Markstrom, G; Colby Robak, D; Scott Timmins, C;
LAK: LAK: Kyle Clifford, LW; Trevor Lewis, RW; Jordan Nolan, RW; Alec Martinez, D; Jake Muzzin, D; Brian O'Neill, C; Martin Jones, G; Andrew Bodnarchuk, D;
MIN: Jared Spurgeon, D; Tyler Cuma, D; Justin Fontaine, C; Carson McMillan, C; Kyle Medvec, D;
MTL: Ryan White, RW; Dustin Tokarski, G; Gabriel Dumont, LW; Robert Mayer, G;
NAS: Nick Spaling, LW;
NJD: Jacob Josefson, C; Adam Henrique, C; Keith Kinkaid, G; Mike Hoeffel, RW; Mike Sislo, LW; Harri Pesonen, RW; Dan Kelly, D;
NYI: Cal Clutterbuck, RW; Josh Bailey, C; Travis Hamonic, D; Kevin Poulin, G; Thomas Hickey, D; David Ullstrom, LW {Signed in KHL}; Brett Gallant, LW.
NYR: Derek Stepan, C; Carl Hagelin, RW; Mats Zuccarello, LW; Ryan McDonagh, D; Justin Falk, D; Brandon Mashinter, LW;
OTT: Erik Condra, RW; Patrick Wiercioch, D; Stephane DaCosta, C; Mike Hoffman, RW; Corey Cowick, RW; Mark Borowiecki, D; David Dziurzynski, RW.
PHI: Oliver Lauridsen, D; Eric Wellwood, LW; Erik Gustafsson, D; Brandon Manning, D;
PHX: Lauri Korpikoski, RW; Mikkel Boedker, LW; Michael Stone, D; David Rundblad, D; Brandon McMillan, C; Brett Hextall, LW; Andy Miele, C; Mathieu Brodeur, D
PIT: Dustin Jeffrey, C; Robert Bortuzzo, D; Eric Hartzell, G; Paul Thompson, RW; Brian Gibbons, C; Harry Zolnierczyk, LW; Zach Sill, LW; Riley Holzapfel, C;
SJS: Tyler Kennedy, RW; Nick Petrecki, D; Marek Viedensky, C;
STL: Kris Russell, D; Jake Allen, G; Chris Stewart, RW; Alex Pietrangelo, D; Tyler Shattock, RW; Cade Fairchild, D; Philip McRae, RW; Evgeny Grachev, LW;
TBL: J.T. Brown, RW; Dan Sexton, RW; Mark Barberio, D;
TOR: Jonathan Bernier, G; Nazem Kadri, C;Frazer McLaren, RW; Carl Gunnarsson, D; Cody Franson, D; Mark Fraser, D; Leo Komarov, RW {Signed in KHL}; Spencer Abbott, LW; Tyler Brenner, RW; Kevin Marshall, D; Joe Colborne, C;
VAN: Dale Weise, RW; Chris Tanev, D; Jordan Schroeder, C; Bill Sweatt, LW; Kellan Lain, C; Anton Rodin, RW {Signed in Sweden}; Darren Archibald, RW; Yann Sauve, D;
WAS: Marcus Johansson, RW; Karl Alzner, D; Peter LeBlanc, C; Nicolas Deschamps, LW; Tomas Kundratek, D;
WPG: Alexander Burmistrov, RW; Zach Bogosian, D; Patrice Cormier, C; Tomas Kubalik, RW {Signed in KHL}; Arturs Kulda, D; Bryan Little, C; Eric O'Dell, LW; Edward Pasquale, G; Blake Wheeler, RW; Eric Tangradi, LW; Zach Redmond, D; Anthony Peluso, RW; Paul Postma, D;

NOT QUALIFIED
ANA: Marco Cousineau, G; Ryan Parent, D; Josh Brittain, LW; Matt Kennedy, RW;
BOS: Kaspars Daugavins, RW; Michael Hutchinson, G;
BUF: Jacob Lagace, RW; Drew Schiestel, D;
CGY: Brady Lamb, D; Bryan Cameron, C; Akim Aliu, RW; Gaelan Patterson, C;
CAR: Justin Krueger, D {Signed in Switzerland}; Luke Pither, C; Joe Sova, D; John Muse, G; A.J. Jenks, RW; Andreas Nodl, LW;
CHI: Joe Lavin, D; Max Sauve, C;
COL: Aaron Palushaj, RW;
CBJ: Allen York, G; Colton Gillies, LW; Theo Ruth, D; Steven Delisle, D; Patrick Killeen, G;
DAL: Tom Wandell, C {Signed in KHL}; Richard Bachman, G; Tyler Beskorowany, G; Matt Tousignant, LW; Jace Coyle, D;
DET: Thomas McCollum, G;
EDM: Theo Peckham, D; Colten Teubert, D; Alex Plante, D; Philippe Cornet, LW;
FLA: Peter Mueller, RW; Jack Skille, RW; Zach Hamill, C; Brendon Nash, D;
LAK: Keaton Ellerby, D; Stefan Legein, RW; David Kolomatis, D;
MIN: Joel Broda, C; Benn Ferriero, LW;
MTL: Yannick Weber, D; Ian Schultz, RW; Joe Stejskal, D;
NAS: Jeremy Smith, G; Matt Halischuk, RW; Jonathon Blum, D;
NJD: J.S. Berube, LW; Matt D'Agostini, RW;
NYI: Shane Harper, RW; Brandon DeFazio, LW;
NYR: Michael Sauer, D; Jyri Niemi, D {Signed in Finland}; Nick Palmieri, RW;
OTT: Louie Caporusso, RW;
PHI: Blake Kessel, D; Mitch Wahl, LW;
PHX: Scott Arnold, RW;
PIT: Keven Veilleux, RW;
SJS: Tommy Grant, LW; Thomas Heemskerk, G;
STL: Paul Karpowich, G; Brett Sonne, C; Anthony Nigro, RW; Jay Barriball, LW; Stefan Della Rovere, RW;
TBL: Brendan Mikkelson, D; Benoit Pouliot, LW; Alex Hutchings, LW; Pat Nagle, G;
TOR: Mark Owuya, G;
VAN: Prab Rai, C; Derek Joslin, D;Stefan Schneider, C;
WAS: Mattias Sjogren, C {Signed in Sweden}; Danick Paquette, RW; Dustin Stevenson, D;
WPG: Jason Gregoire, LW; Will O'Neill, D; Chris Carrozzi, G; ; Maxime Macenauer, C;

NO WORD YET
BOS: Colby Cohen, D {Signed in Finland};
COL: Tomas Vincour, RW {Signed in KHL}; Mike Connolly, C; Brad Malone, LW; Joel Chouinard, D; Luke Walker, LW {Signed in KHL}; Geoff Walker, RW;
DET: Brent Raedeke, RW;
NAS: T.J. Brennan, D; Chet Pickard, G; Daniel Bang, RW; Juuso Puustinen, LW {Signed in Finland}; Jack MacLellan, RW; Ben Ryan, C;
PHX: Maxim Goncharov, D {Signed in KHL}; ; Mark Louis, D;
STL: Jani Lajunen, RW {Signed in Finland};

caley 06-24-2013 02:47 PM

Per Arthur Staple

Quote:

#Isles have sent out qualifying offers to all their RFAs: Bailey, Hamonic, Poulin, Hickey and Ullstrom. Also for BPT RFA Brett Gallant.

Kwayry 06-24-2013 02:55 PM

OT: I don't even know which team your are a fan of, but you do an outstanding job in these boards with info and organizing threads.

quins 06-24-2013 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caley (Post 67905315)
QUALIFIED

NYI: Josh Bailey, C; Travis Hamonic, D; Kevin Poulin, G; Thomas Hickey, D; David Ullstrom, LW; Brett Gallant, LW.

NOT QUALIFIED

NO WORD YET
NYI: Brandon DeFazio, LW; Shane Harper, RW;

Didn't ullstrom sign with KHL team?

Darth Milbury 06-24-2013 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quins (Post 67905901)
Didn't ullstrom sign with KHL team?

Yup. Isles did this to retain his North American rights.

Shrimper 06-24-2013 03:00 PM

Not quite clued up on qualifying offers. What are the values (Is it possible to work it out?) also what happens if they turn down the qualifying offer?

JJTT 06-24-2013 03:01 PM

kinda ot but is Jesse Joensuu UFA, he is only 25 so i thought he would be rfa

quins 06-24-2013 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Milbury (Post 67905923)
Yup. Isles did this to retain his North American rights.

Ahh ok that makes sense. Thanks.

caley 06-24-2013 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kwayry (Post 67905711)
OT: I don't even know which team your are a fan of, but you do an outstanding job in these boards with info and organizing threads.

Awww, thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by quins (Post 67905901)
Didn't ullstrom sign with KHL team?

He did, for a rumored $1.4 million this year. Isles will retain his rights for a number of years after this (I'm never sure how long). So, if Ullstrom decides to return to the NHL at any point in the next few years, he must return to the Isles or get them to trade his rights.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shrimper (Post 67905983)
Not quite clued up on qualifying offers. What are the values (Is it possible to work it out?) also what happens if they turn down the qualifying offer?

A Qualifying Offer, I believe, is basically a player's current contract +10% (that might be different in the new CBA). A team has to make a QO in order to retain that player's rights as a RFA, anyone not qualified becomes an UFA. If a player turns down his QO, then it's up to him and the team to come to an agreement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjtt (Post 67906019)
kinda ot but is Jesse Joensuu UFA, he is only 25 so i thought he would be rfa

Per Capgeek, he has qualified as an UFA this summer.

Also, Staples said after questioned, that he's not sure about DeFazio but that Shane Harper will not receive a QO.

StrongIslanders90 06-24-2013 03:18 PM

we can still sign Hamonic and/or Bailey to long term deals correct?

qualifying them just means we don't lose their right I believe..

caley 06-24-2013 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StrongIslanders90 (Post 67906893)
we can still sign Hamonic and/or Bailey to long term deals correct?

qualifying them just means we don't lose their right I believe..

Oh yeah, in fact Staples believes the Isles are still negotiating longterm deals with Hamonic and Bailey and shorter term deals with Hickey and Poulin.

Chardo 06-24-2013 03:32 PM

^ they will definitely lock up Hamonic to a long term deal. They love everything about the kid.

PWJunior 06-24-2013 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chardo (Post 67907571)
^ they will definitely lock up Hamonic to a long term deal. They love everything about the kid.

Bailey will be getting a long term contract also. Hickey, Gallant, and Poulin will likely sign their QO's.

Alklha 06-24-2013 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caley (Post 67906823)
A Qualifying Offer, I believe, is basically a player's current contract +10% (that might be different in the new CBA). A team has to make a QO in order to retain that player's rights as a RFA, anyone not qualified becomes an UFA. If a player turns down his QO, then it's up to him and the team to come to an agreement.

You have to match a players salary in the previous season for a qualifying offer on players earning more than $1m. Otherwise it is 105% for players under $1m and 110% for players under $600k.

blankall 06-24-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caley (Post 67906823)
Awww, thanks!



A Qualifying Offer, I believe, is basically a player's current contract +10% (that might be different in the new CBA). A team has to make a QO in order to retain that player's rights as a RFA, anyone not qualified becomes an UFA. If a player turns down his QO, then it's up to him and the team to come to an agreement.


Not quite. The percentage raise changes based on the size of the original contract. From wikipedia:

Quote:


Players who earned less than $660,000 in the previous season must be offered 110 percent of last season's salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restric...lifying_offers

kdb209 06-24-2013 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shrimper (Post 67905983)
Not quite clued up on qualifying offers. What are the values (Is it possible to work it out?) also what happens if they turn down the qualifying offer?

A QO is just a 1 yr one- or two-way SPC offer - required in order to retain an RFAs rights.

- previous salary <= $660K - a 10% raise
- $660K < previous salary < $1M - a 5% raise
- previous salary >= $1M - no raise

This is unchanged from the old (2005) CBA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBA Article 10.2(a)
(ii) In order to receive a Right of First Refusal or Draft Choice Compensation
(at the Prior Club's option) with respect to a Restricted Free Agent, the
Prior Club of a Restricted Free Agent must tender to the Player, no later
than 5:00 p.m. New York time on the later of June 25 or the first Monday
after the Entry Draft of the final year of the Player's SPC, a "Qualifying
Offer", which shall be an offer of an SPC, for one League Year, which is
subject to salary arbitration if such Player is otherwise eligible for salary
arbitration in accordance with Section 12.1, on at least the following terms
and conditions:
(A) if the Player's prior year's Paragraph 1 NHL Salary is less than or
equal to $660,000 for that League Year, 110% of the prior year's
Paragraph 1 NHL Salary.

(B) if the Player's prior year's Paragraph 1 NHL Salary is greater than
$660,000, but less than $1,000,000 for that League Year, 105% of
his prior year's Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, but in no event to exceed
$1,000,000.

(C) if the Player's prior year's Paragraph 1 NHL Salary is equal to or
greater than $1,000,000 for that League year, 100% of the prior
year's Paragraph 1 NHL Salary.

(D) if a Player is eligible to receive a Two-Way Qualifying Offer, the
Paragraph 1 Minor League Salary component shall not be less than
the higher of the Player's prior year's Paragraph 1 Minor League
Salary, if any, or the minimum Minor League salary.
A Qualifying Offer shall not be open for acceptance prior to July 1. If a
Qualifying Offer meeting the above requirements is timely made, the Prior Club shall have a
Right of First Refusal, exercisable in accordance with Section 10.3 below, or Draft Choice
Compensation, exercisable in accordance with Section 10.4 below. A Qualifying Offer will be
deemed to have met the above requirements if the Prior Club timely provides the Player a
completed copy of the notice attached as Exhibit 19 hereto, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereto.

(iii) A Club's Qualifying Offer must be a One-Way Qualifying Offer if the
applicable Player has: (A) actually played (excluding games missed for
injury, illness or disability) 180 or more NHL Games in the previous three
(3) NHL Seasons, (B) played at least sixty (60) NHL Games in the
previous NHL Season, and (C) not cleared Waivers in the period between
the 12th day prior to the commencement of the previous Regular Season
and the end of a Club's previous Playing Season. For purposes hereof
only, a goaltender is deemed to have played an NHL Game when he was
dressed and on the bench as a backup. In all other cases, a Qualifying
Offer may be a Two-Way Qualifying Offer.


boredmale 06-24-2013 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjtt (Post 67906019)
kinda ot but is Jesse Joensuu UFA, he is only 25 so i thought he would be rfa

I believe he becomes a UFA because he falls under a rule of a player who is 25 who didn't play X amount of games in the NHL can become a UFA

Darth Bangkok 06-24-2013 04:35 PM

What if the player does not sign the qualifying offer? How can the parties be forced to come to a deal?

Riseonfire 06-24-2013 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Bangkok (Post 67910507)
What if the player does not sign the qualifying offer? How can the parties be forced to come to a deal?

Arbitration I believe.

caley 06-24-2013 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Bangkok (Post 67910507)
What if the player does not sign the qualifying offer? How can the parties be forced to come to a deal?

It comes down to 'If the player wants to play in the NHL, then he better make the deal'. For instance, Luca Caputi was a RFA with Anaheim last summer, didn't sign his RFA tender and Anaheim just left him unsigned, when he wanted to play in the AHL, he had to sign a SPC with Norfolk in order to play with Anaheim's AHL team.

Izzy 06-24-2013 05:02 PM

Hamonic and Bailey are extremely important for the Isles moving forward.

Hoping to see them signed on to long-term contracts.

burgess1978 06-24-2013 05:29 PM

Ottawa RFAs:

F Erik Condra
D Patrick Wiercioch
F Mike Hoffman
F Corey Cowick
D Mark Borowiecki
F David Dziurzynski
F Louie Caporusso
F Nikita Filatov

blankall 06-24-2013 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Bangkok (Post 67910507)
What if the player does not sign the qualifying offer? How can the parties be forced to come to a deal?

A big way is through offer sheets. If the parties don't come to a deal, other teams can step in with offer sheets. This process essentially stops a team from holding out on its superstars.

The day after the draft is the deadline for making qualifying offers, but it also the time at which RFAs can begin neogiations with other teams. If you have not come to an agreement with your RFAs before then, you leave them open to the possibility of an offer sheet. It's a big pressure on teams to get guys signed.

caley 06-24-2013 06:13 PM

per John Shannon, the Leafs have qualified Jonathan Bernier. No word on anyone else.

Rivet52 06-24-2013 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riseonfire (Post 67910693)
Arbitration I believe.

I believe only certain RFAs qualify for arbitration. If anyone knows the exact requirements to be able to go to arbitration, I'd like to know them. Also, I believe a player can only go to arbitration once. Once he goes to arbitration he cannot go the next year, although I'm not positive on that. Just something I remember.

As we saw with the Ryan O'Reilly situation this season, if RFAs don't sign their QO, they don't play. O'Reilly refused to sign it and held out until an offer sheet was presented and he signed that instead, which the Avalanche eventually matched and ended the holdout. Only then did he get back on the ice. If an RFA doesn't sign his QO, he sits until he's under contract, whether it is by signing the QO or negotiating a long-term deal.

Also, teams can still re-sign their players even if they don't issue them a QO. Mike Blunden for example last offseason IIRC.


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